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Debate between a Creationist, a Materialist, and the Matrix/DNA world view

Wednesday, August 9th, 2017

I was in a debate in the Internet when I have an idea for explaining something of the Matrix/DNA world view in a different manner. It is interesting, so, I copied it here for thinking about tonight. What do you think?


luvdomus  – 4 hours ago – 8/9/17: (Materialist, atheist)
The ‘jump” of abiogensis was a series of very small steps over millions of years.
There was no origins of life, so, no jump of abiogenesis. Biological systems (aka life) were built by the building blocks of this galaxy, which worked as photons-genes and became the building blocks of DNA. All known properties of life were existing in less evolved state at this galaxy, by entropy its information fail to Earth surface, as the initial conditions. See at my avatar and website the face of LUCA ( the Last Universal Common Ancestor) the evolutionary link between inorganic and organic, but it never came to Earth, it is surrounding us in the sky.
Ok I described my theory. But you said “The ‘jump” of abiogenesis was a series of very small steps over millions of years”, in an affirmative way. You was not there, you have not watched it, so you need to advise that you have a theory, like I did it. Time and more data will solve which theory is the best.
+Luvdomus – Why do you believe it happened by small steps? Science has never shown life to come from non life in small steps or big steps ever. So why would you believe it?
Santana Garcia ( Materialist)
+Luvdomus – that’s because bacteria and viruses also play a roll in the complexity of life , this video did not get to that yet. Also 4 billion years of evolving matter to living things is hardly a jump. Do you really understand how long 4 billion years is ?
Smoothsay2 Smoothsay (creationist)+Santana – Do you really believe that chemicals could assemble themselves into DNA that is programmed to build cells, rna, cellular machinery, & self correcting rna polymerase transcription functions & reproduction systems? Rather a wild accident isn’t it 4 billion years or 100 billion years do you actually believe this would happen?

Smoothsay2 – Now, imagine this belief growing. Then they will write their sacred book. ” There was a talking rock radiating light that separated the waters of the Red sea and came to Prophet Darwin saying that…”

I suspects in this way were wrote the Kuran, the Bible, etc. and, do you believe that till today there are people believing in that?! But, for telling the thru, I found that Genesis is the correct scientific description of the events that brought life and the man to Earth. It is the right description of LUCA (the Last Universal Common Ancestor) and the events creating life here. If you see and understand how works the system called LUCA ( its face is at my avatar – the life cycle of any astronomic body like Earth, and the building blocks of galaxies), you will discover all Genesis’s symbols there: the system was a paradise for X and Y (Adam and Eve), in shape of an apple, with a systemic circuit in shape of a snake, the spiral galaxy seems a tree, etc. In fact, X convinced Y to eat the apple ( which means the selfish state of closed system). And attacked by entropy the system falls to planet’s surface, in shape of genes-photons, which guided the terrestrial atoms to build aminoacids, molecules, RNA, till the first cell, which is the exactly biological copy of our sinner ancestor… the Milk Way.
Genesis is all about metaphors describing the scientific complexity for lay man! But how any ancient man knew that? 2 theories: 1) our ancestor and those events are registered at our DNA ( the junk DNA) which are at the center of our neurons and altered mental states produces flashes from that memory. Since ancient man did not know nothing about astronomy, he found the way to explain it by metaphors. 2) Aliens were here and told it… I don’t see another alternative, since I can not believe that a God of a multiverse came here…

 Louis Charles Morelli – the problem with metaphorical ideas is they are subject to any kind of interpretation so you will always will be able to make them match with any scientific or metaphysical theory.

oz surveillance –  Ok, then, I will invite you to a challenge:

 Find the scientific theory that matches with the following:
1) We built this modern city where humans will live as a paradise. But like the Brave New World of Huxley and under the Big Brother, humans will be stupid and stagnating in this shape forever. Take the red pill if you want living here;
2) Outside there are those humans cities in state of chaos, lots of problems, misery, diseases, etc. But, those people will be opened to their evolution, they could reach the galaxies. Take the blue pill if you want that.
This was the exactly situation the author described with Eve offering the apple: eat the apple, the red pill, standing forever in this “jungle” paradise I built for us; do not eat the apple and we fall in chaos far away from here…
We found that the vital principle is encoded in a light wave, like that emitted after the Big Bang. The code worked matter and built the atom system, the star system, and when went to build the galactic system… matter was reaching its supreme goal, which is to be a closed system at eternal termodynamic equillibrium.
The code could doing a choice, unifying with matter and living that paradise; or fighting matter, suffering at chaos but keeping the state of opened system, opened to its own evolution. The red pill or the blue pill?
The code choose the paradise, from the Universe came the Clausius Law, the entropy that produces the death of any system. The code falls at planets, here we are. Please, find the scientific theory that matches this metaphora like the Matrix/DNA Theory – a merely philosophical naturalist theory, matched it… Good look…
Then, one day after this debate, I was searching the scientific news at Internet and found a great, spetacular news ( ” Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins”) that is just the confirmation of several theories I wrote in the debate. So, I went back writing this:
To everybody debating with me in this thread: please, see how and why the Matrix/DNA world view during the last 30 years has confirmed hundreds of its previsions. Two days ago I wrote here: ” We found that the vital principle is encoded in a light wave, like that emitted after the Big Bang”.
Today I am reading the news: ” Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins”. I have wrote here that in this Universe is occurring a natural genetic process of reproduction of the unknown thing that triggered the Big Bang as an act of fecundation.
And I wrote here that evolution is expanding like waves in the water: each new wave carries own the dust of the last wave and reaches more dust ahead. So the second wave of evolution receives the systems from the first wave, aggregating new information, evolving it and throwing it to next wave. The last wave has repeated all step of all waves before, that’s why a new shape, like a human embryo, repeats all evolutionary shapes. It means that the first moment of human life repeats the first moment of the Universe when the “life” of a universal natural system is began. It was a genetic code encoded by photons, then evolved to an atom like the first cell; to a nebulae of galaxies like the blastula… and so on.
I will research now what is the secret of zinc atom, it must have some property that something at the Big Bang had. But, as I said thousand times, the big secret of genome, or DNA, is that its electrons are occupied by photons with information of the life’s code. So, that light saw by scientists occurs when the male counterpart that contains the half of the code’s network meets the another half and the entire network flourishes… the mechanism is repeated when a supernova is born, as you can see at Matrix/DNA astronomical models. Three days ago another great prevision was conformed: #0 years ago when I got the copyright of this theory it contained that a star’s nucleus has a dynamics like the first frequency of light wave, which is the strongest. So, the nucleus should have a rotation fast than the above spherical rotations… This whole theory is results from calculations applying the most natural logic as I was studying the biosphere at Amazon jungle… and its right previsions has suggested that nature does not plays dice with its creatures, although we insist to play dices with her.

Articles are being posted in Portuguese only

Saturday, January 15th, 2011

Sorry. Since I am not having enough time for translating from Portuguese, for seeing the articles one need to chlick the Brazillian flag above. Also, I understand that the site is not explaining almost nothing about the theory. It is because the site is under construction, I have a lot of writed material but had no time and the special computers skills for doing that. I hope will do it soon. Thanks…

This is a good solution marrying God with the laws of Physics at the creation of the Universe?

Friday, September 10th, 2010

Let’s go to analyze this question from a new approach? We have the free will for to choose if we will be a closed system (dominance of selfish gene) or an opened system. God, evolution, or whatever want us evolving. And closed systems are closed doors to evolution. When a creature chooses to be a closed system he can built a paradise and accommodate itself in thermodynamic equilibrium. But since the Universe, God, or whatever, cannot permit someone stops evolution, applies the Law of Clausius, entropy, which makes the Fall from the Paradise and the creature began again in middle of chaos. Slowly it will get the state of order for evolving.

On the pathway of evolution there is the shape of mind, or consciousness, which shape is at embryonary state inside eggs, the human heads, since that it was born less than a second of astronomic time. Then, there is this thing about eggs: from primitives organisms to reptiles the eggs were laid out, the offspring abandoned to chaos, random events and tragedies. From the mammalian cyanodont to human specie the eggs are kept inside de womb, the offspring is nurtured till the birth and sometimes to the eighteens. Today humanity, and its mind, is at the state of eggs laid out. You see it living in the jungle: the biosphere is chaotic. Then, it should means that we came from a state of extreme closed system, a paradise built by our ancestors.

Why should an intelligent and benevolent God make such a plan for evolution? There is a rational possible answer.

Long time ago and before the universe, a hermaphrodite God shared into Father and Mother had a son with all love of the world. But, growing the son showed to be unhappy. Why? He had everything? He was the son of the supreme king!

He could not be happy because he was not the king, were not him that made the world, so, he feels that was not totally free, omnipotent. Then he left the God rein saying that should doing his own world, by his way, where he should be the supreme king.

Crying, Father and Mother God saw him leaving. Then, Father said to Mother: “Let him to build his own world, which he is thinking will be the perfect world, better than the world we did. He will make the first world, experiment it and will be not satisfied. He will make the second, the third, a lot of different worlds; he will forget us and our world. Then, one day, after thousands, millions of experiments, he will finally do the best world and will feel happy. Not totally. He will feel alone. It will be missing something, something like him, with the same intelligence, to share his rein, with love. It is not like a man wanting a woman, because spirits are hermaphrodite. And  because  the best  world he can do must be the mirror of our world his mind will have flashes of memory, scenes of his infanthood at a place where has someone like him, who loves him,

Then he will travel to the infinite searching the scenes of his mind. Arriving here he will be happy to know we exists, just someone like him, and will invite us for living in his world. We will go. Why? Because his world will be the same world we have now. There is no possibility to do a most than perfect world. It will be his illusion: he made the world. He is the supreme king. And we will be with him with love. Just like here. Anything will change, only his feeling that he is the final supreme: but he will be satisfied to concede to us the sharing of the ruler. Like now we share with him the power of the ruler. Let he to think that he is God.

So, this son was called Lucifer. And he is us, just now, trying to lift up from the fragmentation of our last built world for to do the next experiment.

Of course, this smell likes a tale. Merely a product of human imagination. It is probable that there a lot of unknown dimensions and things we don’t know, and the real history could be different. But whatever could be the history, whatever the first cause we are here and whatever the final destiny, the supreme meaning, the ultimate sense of existence, could be the meaning extracted from this tale.