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O criacionista, o evolucionista, a onça e o dinossauro…

Thursday, September 12th, 2019

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Leio um debate entre um evolucionista materialista e um criacionista cristão, entao não resisto e mando um post – que não foi publicado aguardando moderador. O link fe:

https://netnature.wordpress.com/2016/07/07/evolucao-super-rapida-de-peixes-divide-especie-em-duas-no-mesmo-lago-comentado/#comment-20746

Louis Morelli commented – 9/12/19

Amigos Rossetti e Abrão… não briguem. Quando alguem diz “os criacionistas nunca vao acreditar nisso” e outro diz que “nos estamos vendo que mutacoes selecionadas aconteceram por acaso e não por um prévio design”, o debate sera sem solução. Uma vez na selva amazônica de repente uma onça apareceu na minha frente. Eu vi o terror, mas fiquei com tanto odio dela que ia me jantar, que fiz uma careta dos diabos e dei um berro maior que ela podia urrar, mostrando as duas maos como garras. Nao me pergunte porque, mas a onça parou, me olhou aterrorizada, deu meia volta e saiu correndo. Sai contando essa historia mas os primeiros ja diziam que ” eu nunca vou acreditar nisso”, entao parei de contar. Hoje me pego em duvidas se aquilo realmente aconteceu ou se sonhei, mas não sei porque, logo me reafirmo que acredito que aconteceu. O fundador-autor da Biblia tambem comecou a se perguntar se o que escreveu aconteceu ou foi imaginação, mas os ouvintes acreditaram e ele acreditou no que foi sua imaginação jurando que de fato aconteceu. Porque acreditam no deus dele e não na minha onça? A resposta sera a mesma para porque acreditam no deus magico e não na evolucao… ninguem sabe, nada a fazer.

Mas não terminava minha historia quando me interrompiam dizendo que não acreditavam, agora vou contar tudo: Quando dei meia-volta para retornar no caminho vi que um dinossauro estava ali… parado. Ahhh… foi por isso que a onça correu! E porque o dinossauro não me comia?! Notei que estava com os olhos furados, cego…

Os materialistas nunca viram um agente chamado acaso e nunca viram esse agente que nunca viram provocando uma mutacao. Mas a ideia lhes foi tão simpática que acreditam nela piamente. Nunca vao acreditar que a grande maioria das mutacoes selecionadas foram produzidas por prévio design de um agente natural real, sem magicas, que tambem não podem ver. O Agente Acaso tem em suas maos a clava do tempo e isso explica tudo!

O Agente Acaso Magico e sua evolucao cega é o dinossauro cego dos materialistas. Hoje sei que não sei se caso da onça foi real mesmo, mas tenho certeza que o dinossauro foi sonho de tanto pensar nesse caso, e sei que foi sonho porque dinossauros não existem. Mas os materialistas ainda acreditam que seu dinossauro existe. Nada adianta contrariar…fazer o que?

Mas com que autoridade venho dizer que existe prévio design natural, real, que tambem não estou sonhando de novo? Bem, essa é outra longa historia acontecida na selva que descrevo no meu website…

Um novo Deus, para uma Nova Era

Saturday, September 7th, 2019

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Se eu tivesse uma capacidade de raciocínio, mas não o conhecimento que tenho hoje quando era aquela microscópica única célula, dois minutos apos a fecundação, e quando olhasse a distância, veria um oceano de líquido terminando numa casca, acreditaria que aquele era o inteiro universo, meu mundo se resumiria aquilo dentro da casca. Mas se nos dias seguintes visse meu corpo se transformando de formas mais simples para formas cada vez mais complexas, concluiria que estaria sendo objeto de uma evolução. Se nessa evolução, logo nos dias seguintes, desenvolvesse uma visão de raios-X e uma mente capaz de ver o passado, veria além da casca do ovo, o mundo dos meus pais, e os genomas deles produzindo aquele enorme Big Bang no centro do meu mundo quando a membrana do espermatozoide explodiu. E concluiria que além e antes do meu mundo é tudo natural, não existem seres supernaturais, e o processo pelo qual meu mundo foi feito é simplesmente um processo natural, sem nenhuma magica. E então também compreenderia que o que pensei ser evolução era, na verdade, uma ilusão, pois o que estava acontecendo dentro do meu mundo era um simples processo natural de reprodução genética. Nada supernatural, nada magico. E meu pai, e minha mãe, seriam meus deuses, o que mais amaria no mundo, mesmo eles sendo simplesmente naturais e incapazes de fazerem magicas.

Hoje estou sentado numa pedra grande que tem ao lado da porta da minha casinha numa pequena terra rural, ‘a meia-noite. Olho para o céu estrelado, penso que este é o meu mundo. Sei que o Universo esta se expandindo, então obrigatoriamente ele tem um limite, não é infinito. Mesmo que seja uma aureola de vácuo circundando-o, ele deve ter algo como a casca membranosa alem das últimas galaxias. E sei que o Universo teve início num Big Bang, similar ao do que ocorreu no primeiro instante da existência do meu corpo carnal. Tudo igual, me sinto como nos meus primeiros segundos neste mundo, um microscópico ser, que sente apenas as coisas naturais de seu mundo. Mas eu estudei muito, passei a vida carregando uma luneta para ver o céu e um microscópico rustico para ver as criaturinhas na lama dos pântanos. Sinto que minha mente se desenvolveu com as descobertas que fiz, como a existência da formula universal da Matrix/DNA, ao ponto de ter uma visão mais profunda e calcular com bom grau de probabilidade o que existe além das últimas galaxias. Também as Ciências Humanas e a minha fórmula me ajudaram a ver mais profundo no passado. Estou neste universo no ponto que estava alguns dias apos meu aparecimento como célulazinha no seu pequenino universo. E o que vejo além e no passado deste Universo, antes do meu aparecimento?

 

A fórmula universal mostrou as causas das existências de todas as coisas existentes dentro deste universo, e mais ainda, as causas de todos os eventos ocorridos nesta natureza universal. E para minha surpresa, tudo o que ela sugeriu bateu exatamente com minhas exigências racionais. Se ela sugeriu uma nova versão mais racional da Historia Universal, e nesta historia esta claramente revelado um longo processo de reprodução genética que ate ontem eu pensava, como meus amigos humanos, estar vendo evolução, então bastaria projetar a logica do processo ocorrendo aqui dentro deste mundo, para calcular o que deve existir alem e antes das fronteiras deste Universo. De certa forma adquiri uma visão de raios-X, pois agora olho o Universo pelos olhos de uma fórmula universal. Realizei os cálculos em enorme excitação e impaciência, pois intuitivamente eu sentia o que ia descobrir. E não foi surpresa quando vi, além e antes deste Universo, meus pais, naturais e auto-conscientes, mas nada de mágicas e nada supernaturais. São simples, mas sei que observam o universo engravidado, e esperam ansiosos pelo meu nascimento. Eles não desenharam este mundo onde estou, assim como minha mãe não desenhou a placenta que me envolveu e nutriu.  Assim existem os maus obstáculos, mas quando a coisa aqui vai mal, nós chutamos a barriga, gritando, rezando alto, então nossos pais percebem e administram alguma medicina, que meus irmãos aqui dizem ser “milagres que caíram do céu”… kkkkkk. São seres naturais, mas eu os amo como meus deuses. Aliás, os únicos deuses que tenho.

E agora admiro ainda mais aquele simples carpinteiro que um dia perguntado qual era o segredo fundamental deste mundo, ele levantou os olhos para o céu e disse: “Pai”. Em seguida abaixou os olhos à Terra, olhando seu corpo e disse: “Filho!”

Seus discípulos pensaram que quando ele olhou para si ele estava se vendo como Deus. Não, ele estava vendo seu corpo de homem, um corpo humano. O humano é o filho. Grande intuição! Se seus discípulos conhecessem estas coisas de DNA e genética, ao invés de filho ele teria dito “Genes”. Pois, na verdade, carregamos 8 bilhões de bolhas de auto-consciência com as quais estamos construindo-nos como o futuro filho. Mas mesmo assim, ele acertou na mosca!

Debate between a Creationist, a Materialist, and the Matrix/DNA world view

Wednesday, August 9th, 2017

I was in a debate in the Internet when I have an idea for explaining something of the Matrix/DNA world view in a different manner. It is interesting, so, I copied it here for thinking about tonight. What do you think?

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luvdomus  – 4 hours ago – 8/9/17: (Materialist, atheist)
The ‘jump” of abiogensis was a series of very small steps over millions of years.
There was no origins of life, so, no jump of abiogenesis. Biological systems (aka life) were built by the building blocks of this galaxy, which worked as photons-genes and became the building blocks of DNA. All known properties of life were existing in less evolved state at this galaxy, by entropy its information fail to Earth surface, as the initial conditions. See at my avatar and website the face of LUCA ( the Last Universal Common Ancestor) the evolutionary link between inorganic and organic, but it never came to Earth, it is surrounding us in the sky.
Ok I described my theory. But you said “The ‘jump” of abiogenesis was a series of very small steps over millions of years”, in an affirmative way. You was not there, you have not watched it, so you need to advise that you have a theory, like I did it. Time and more data will solve which theory is the best.
+Luvdomus – Why do you believe it happened by small steps? Science has never shown life to come from non life in small steps or big steps ever. So why would you believe it?
Santana Garcia ( Materialist)
+Luvdomus – that’s because bacteria and viruses also play a roll in the complexity of life , this video did not get to that yet. Also 4 billion years of evolving matter to living things is hardly a jump. Do you really understand how long 4 billion years is ?
Smoothsay2 Smoothsay (creationist)+Santana – Do you really believe that chemicals could assemble themselves into DNA that is programmed to build cells, rna, cellular machinery, & self correcting rna polymerase transcription functions & reproduction systems? Rather a wild accident isn’t it 4 billion years or 100 billion years do you actually believe this would happen?

Smoothsay2 – Now, imagine this belief growing. Then they will write their sacred book. ” There was a talking rock radiating light that separated the waters of the Red sea and came to Prophet Darwin saying that…”

I suspects in this way were wrote the Kuran, the Bible, etc. and, do you believe that till today there are people believing in that?! But, for telling the thru, I found that Genesis is the correct scientific description of the events that brought life and the man to Earth. It is the right description of LUCA (the Last Universal Common Ancestor) and the events creating life here. If you see and understand how works the system called LUCA ( its face is at my avatar – the life cycle of any astronomic body like Earth, and the building blocks of galaxies), you will discover all Genesis’s symbols there: the system was a paradise for X and Y (Adam and Eve), in shape of an apple, with a systemic circuit in shape of a snake, the spiral galaxy seems a tree, etc. In fact, X convinced Y to eat the apple ( which means the selfish state of closed system). And attacked by entropy the system falls to planet’s surface, in shape of genes-photons, which guided the terrestrial atoms to build aminoacids, molecules, RNA, till the first cell, which is the exactly biological copy of our sinner ancestor… the Milk Way.
Genesis is all about metaphors describing the scientific complexity for lay man! But how any ancient man knew that? 2 theories: 1) our ancestor and those events are registered at our DNA ( the junk DNA) which are at the center of our neurons and altered mental states produces flashes from that memory. Since ancient man did not know nothing about astronomy, he found the way to explain it by metaphors. 2) Aliens were here and told it… I don’t see another alternative, since I can not believe that a God of a multiverse came here…

 Louis Charles Morelli – the problem with metaphorical ideas is they are subject to any kind of interpretation so you will always will be able to make them match with any scientific or metaphysical theory.

oz surveillance –  Ok, then, I will invite you to a challenge:

 Find the scientific theory that matches with the following:
1) We built this modern city where humans will live as a paradise. But like the Brave New World of Huxley and under the Big Brother, humans will be stupid and stagnating in this shape forever. Take the red pill if you want living here;
2) Outside there are those humans cities in state of chaos, lots of problems, misery, diseases, etc. But, those people will be opened to their evolution, they could reach the galaxies. Take the blue pill if you want that.
This was the exactly situation the author described with Eve offering the apple: eat the apple, the red pill, standing forever in this “jungle” paradise I built for us; do not eat the apple and we fall in chaos far away from here…
We found that the vital principle is encoded in a light wave, like that emitted after the Big Bang. The code worked matter and built the atom system, the star system, and when went to build the galactic system… matter was reaching its supreme goal, which is to be a closed system at eternal termodynamic equillibrium.
The code could doing a choice, unifying with matter and living that paradise; or fighting matter, suffering at chaos but keeping the state of opened system, opened to its own evolution. The red pill or the blue pill?
The code choose the paradise, from the Universe came the Clausius Law, the entropy that produces the death of any system. The code falls at planets, here we are. Please, find the scientific theory that matches this metaphora like the Matrix/DNA Theory – a merely philosophical naturalist theory, matched it… Good look…
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Then, one day after this debate, I was searching the scientific news at Internet and found a great, spetacular news ( ” Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins”) that is just the confirmation of several theories I wrote in the debate. So, I went back writing this:
To everybody debating with me in this thread: please, see how and why the Matrix/DNA world view during the last 30 years has confirmed hundreds of its previsions. Two days ago I wrote here: ” We found that the vital principle is encoded in a light wave, like that emitted after the Big Bang”.
Today I am reading the news: ” Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins”. I have wrote here that in this Universe is occurring a natural genetic process of reproduction of the unknown thing that triggered the Big Bang as an act of fecundation.
And I wrote here that evolution is expanding like waves in the water: each new wave carries own the dust of the last wave and reaches more dust ahead. So the second wave of evolution receives the systems from the first wave, aggregating new information, evolving it and throwing it to next wave. The last wave has repeated all step of all waves before, that’s why a new shape, like a human embryo, repeats all evolutionary shapes. It means that the first moment of human life repeats the first moment of the Universe when the “life” of a universal natural system is began. It was a genetic code encoded by photons, then evolved to an atom like the first cell; to a nebulae of galaxies like the blastula… and so on.
I will research now what is the secret of zinc atom, it must have some property that something at the Big Bang had. But, as I said thousand times, the big secret of genome, or DNA, is that its electrons are occupied by photons with information of the life’s code. So, that light saw by scientists occurs when the male counterpart that contains the half of the code’s network meets the another half and the entire network flourishes… the mechanism is repeated when a supernova is born, as you can see at Matrix/DNA astronomical models. Three days ago another great prevision was conformed: #0 years ago when I got the copyright of this theory it contained that a star’s nucleus has a dynamics like the first frequency of light wave, which is the strongest. So, the nucleus should have a rotation fast than the above spherical rotations… This whole theory is results from calculations applying the most natural logic as I was studying the biosphere at Amazon jungle… and its right previsions has suggested that nature does not plays dice with its creatures, although we insist to play dices with her.

New Debate Between Creationists and Atheists about the Mystery of Existences and the Suggestion from Matrix/DNA

Wednesday, July 6th, 2016

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It takes a fool to deny the obvious

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/06/26/it-takes-a-fool-to-deny-the-obvious/#comment-845574

And my comment published at the Myers’ article:

The Matrix/DNA
July 6, 2016 – Amazon Jungle

Creationists and atheists world views are both “magical thinking” due a fundamental mistake: they are forgetting the naturalist systemic perspective. Any living thing is a system, a systemic biological organization of matter and energy. And systems can only coming from other system. Nobody had discovered a system coming from a part or piece of a system, neither from something not belonging to a system.
So, the first amino-acids were systems in itself, made by atoms systems and this astronomical system. Since that atoms system are too much simple, and galactic systems are lots more complex, the logic’s suggests that amino-acids were a production of astronomic nanotechnology, like human genome, chromosomes,ovules, are products of human natural nanotechnology.

Following this line of logic’s we got a new world view called Matrix/DNA where a new theoretical astronomical and atomic model fits just as the ancestors of the first living cell.

Now the problem would be:but the first system, be it an atom or an elemental particle composed by other smaller particles as a system, where it came from?

We found that all these natural systems were made by a unique natural formula. Then, we found that any universal set of radiation performing a light wave has the same formula for systems. Conclusion? The forst natural system in this Universe and perceptible dimension was a light wave.

Where the light wave came from? No other simplest thing in this Universe was detected as ” the light wave producer”. Our method of rationalization is suggesting that the first natural light wave worked as the genome of some ex-machine entity. If so, this Universe is merely a kind of egg where is occurring a natural process of genetic reproduction of the systemic thing that produced it. Is is God? If you want call it by that name, remember that it is not magical, it does things by natural process. Is is a big absolute chance? If you want call it by tat name, remember that it is a phenomena that is being reproduced exactly like it happened once, so, when this process arrive to an end, it will not be the absolute chance, because it would be an event that has been repeated.

What matters here is the final moral concept from this world view: we are 8 billion genes plus trillion of genes spread in this Universe building a kind of baby. So, each of us – as gene – has a unique, specific, not mimicked, not able to be stolen – information. It is our mission and we are not conscious about that. If one of us dies not do his/her job, the baby will born handicapped. So, let yours brother free for doing its mission. If creationism, atheism or Matrixism are wrong interpretations of this world, our inner mission will correct our wrong beliefs. And we got correction every time that we learn something new about the Universal Nature. That’s why I made the Amazon jungle my second house: there are plenty of natural phenomena for learning there.