Interesting article published at Wired Magazine, under the title “Evolution’s New Foe: Timid School Administrators” (you can see it at
Following the article are the coments and I am trying to participate. Below the posts for which I answered till now:
This is coming from someone who spent several years as a research scientist (cell and molecular biology).
My answer: The path that I expound is the same of Wikipedia: “It is likely that cynodonts were at least partially if not completely warm-blooded, covered with hair, which would have insulated them and helped to maintain a high body temperature. The mammal-like structure of cynodonts hints that all mammals have descended from a single group of eucynodonts.” And cynodonts is still a reptile, the size of a alligator and not dinossaur. Are you saying that evolution did not follow from alligators to dinossaurs?! It should be the opposite?
You said: “You’re right in that mammals didn’t evolve from dinosaurs, but your implication that evolution is wrong based on that premise is wrong.”
My answer: “I am not saying that evolution is wrong. I am saying that the Darwin’s theory based upon those three variables is not complete for explaining the history of evolution of biological systems (aka, living beings).
And maybe, the idea of evolution is controversial. If I am a small microbe living inside a pregnant womb, watching the transformations that happen with the fetus, certainly I should believe that evolution is whole picture. But it is not: it is a process of reproduction. Then, we are like microbes watching the transformations of Cosmos and living beings. But… is not scientific established that are watching the supreme process. Maybe we are seeing the evolution inside a process of reproduction… the reproduction of that something that triggered the start of the Universe. Who knows? Maybe this Universe is only a cosmic egg and here is being nurtured the son of something beyond the Universe. You can call it God, no problem with that. My theoretical models are suggesting that it is a natural system, non able to do magic, and suggesting that this Universe is a genetic production. But, Science has no data for deciding this question, yet.
You said: “Your idea of what happened due to the meteor impact that wiped out the dinosaurs is mistaken also. Mammals already existed at that point in time but were small creatures.”
My answer: “I know that. I am suggesting that nature does not need meteorites for applying a natural law, observed at each species: every creature that evolves in a wrong way, not supported by the parallel evolution of the environment, becomes extinct, no matter if it last a long time. It is because the creature super-specializes in a way of existence, becomes a closed system itself, a branch of the evolutionary tree that has no future. it is happen with whales, the giant of the oceans, with the lions, the giant of the jungle, with eagles, the giant of the sky… But the deep explanation is a mechanism inherited from our ancestral physical thermodynamic non-living systems, which I cannot expose here.”
You said: “I have no idea where you are coming up with these wild ideas unless you have been taking as gospel the stories of someone else as little informed on the topics as you are”
My answer: “That’s just the danger behind the teaching of Evolution to children. You should a good sample. You did not pay attention when I said that the Darwin’s theory and the neo-Darwinian theory does not explains the history of evolution because it is not complete. This idea is so strange for you that you mistakenly understood “non-complete” as “wrong”. It is totally different. You did not pay attention when I said that the history of evolution is not explained only by three variables, but, seven variables. The normal, natural, rational reaction here should be: “What?! I never heard something like that! Are you dreaming? But… how did you get there? Which are the four variables that we don’t know?!”
Then you go straight to conclusions: wild idea, gospel, you are not informed… that’s just the reaction of the Inquisitors facing Galileo, the Islamic religious facing evolution theory, the scientific establishment facing Boltzmann, etc. Our children nurtured in these textbooks are going to the same way. Ok, maybe the Modern Evolution Theory explains everything, then, will have no problem with the textbooks. But…I am telling you: I was not educated in a scientific school, and then I have the theory of evolution, biogenesis, Big Bang, gravity, under suspicions. I am reasonable informed about modern scientific data, from physics to chemistry to biology, etc. But I was living in Amazon jungle, the Nature there is suggesting a lot of things, mechanisms and processes which can build a bigger evolutionary theory. Why every scientific minded person that I tried to explain the theory does not want to hear? No one of them has showed a scientific data that is contradictory with any detail of the whole theory. Explanation? Close-minded. That’s the danger pointed out brilliantly by tahos ( 04/23/10 | 11:06 am).
1st. The answer to the question of whether evolution went from crocodiles to dinosaurs or from dinosaurs to crocodiles is neither. They are two different branches of a family tree that originated with a long distant common ancestor. And you can add mammals into that family tree also, but that doesn’t mean that mammals evolved from dinosaurs or crocodiles. It only means that they had at some point in the distant past the same ancestor.
2nd. The meteor and aftermath causing the death or extinction of the large dinosaurs doesn’t have to explain the death of other large organisms and in itself might only be partially responsible for the extinction. But before the meteor impact there were big dinosaurs and shortly afterwards there weren’t any more as evidenced in the fossil record. If other animals go extinct it doesn’t have to be from a meteor strike; it could easily be another factor causing it and you don’t have to resort to a meteor impact to explain them. But when you have a boundry layer left by a meteor that is a distinct dividing point between there being large dinosaurs and there not being large dinosaurs in the fossil record it is pretty likely that the meteor impact had something to do with it. There were other extinction events and theories about what caused them too, just look up extinction events. They seem to drive or cause a temporary speeding up of evolution.
3rd Major evolutionary change takes time on a timescale that you cannot personally observe in real time in any major way in a group of organisms, other than microorganisms, partially due the time between generations and the time a characteristic in a portion of a population actually becomes a determining factor in survival of the individuals in the population.
As far as Darwin’s theory being wrong or not complete enough because it is based on three principles, I can give one principle that explains all evolution. Populations of organisms change over time due to the genetic differences within the population affecting the reproductive success of descendents. But to see what the modern theory of evolution is look up ‘modern evolutionary synthesis.’ Neo-Darwinism originated in the late 1800’s so it isn’t really pertient except people continue to use term and confuse it with modern evolutionary synthesis.
As far as the theory of evolution causing people to be closed-minded, being closed-minded isn’t necessarily a bad thing when the thing someone is wanting you to open your mind to is without merit( or unprovable). I am not going to entertain for a moment that the sun is really a giant ball of Jello. I am absolutely closed-minded to that idea, at least until someone goes there and brings back a bowlful.
You said: “I’m not going to try to teach you how evolution works but to set you straight on an aspect or three of it where you seem to be looking at it from the wrong viewpoint.”
My answer: “To me it seems that you are looking how evolution works not by the wrong viewpoint, but from a non complete one. Darwinian evolution or even modern evolutionary synthesis is about micro-evolution, only about biological systems evolution. But the process of Evolution – the mechanisms of this process – was not created by the stupid matter of Earth and not beginning in a deep ocean mixed soup. Before that the matter in this Universe was under the principles of Cosmological Evolution and from this dimensions are coming the mechanisms. In that time we had the so (and mistakenly) called non-living systems, like atoms, stellar, galaxies systems. The planet Earth and its matter is a production from the cosmological laws and mechanisms, then, if we want really understand any natural mechanism here at our biosphere, we need to understand its origins from the sky. Because evolution as transformation among species ( and not variations and selection of individuals inside the specie) have used the Gold punctuation jumps, and these jumps are influences from the forces coming from systems hierarchy superior, like the immediate astronomic system to which our planet belongs. The transformation from a reptile (cynodonts?) to a mammal is all about the sexual reproductive process: till reptile every species lay eggs out, at cynodonts happened the big jump that built the extraordinary engeenery of womb and pregnancy. Which was and where were the forces in Nature, in the environment or in the reptile itself, which made this spectacular transformation?
When I am telling about the danger of a non-complete knowledge closing the mind that denies the search for the whole picture is just about this. Evolution is a fact, period. We know the formula VSI, and it explains everything. So, from now to the infinite we have only to search the data that completes the history of evolution, and fighting those that does not believe in it. We stops using our mind searching alternatives to evolution, which is correct, like you said, we are not going to think that the sun is a ball of Jello. But… we have fossil telling the history about the skeleton transformation from reptiles to mammals. We don’t have fossil about the soft anatomy of reptiles transforming to mammals. And VSI is not enough for to explain it. Which motive leads a reptile to develop the modern reproductive process, the stage of pregnancy, if the new state means a big sacrifice, losing abilities to survivor and to hunt? How could natural selection to choose the worst adaptive intermediate creatures? These kind of questions does not appears in a brain of a trained evolutionist.
The modern theory of evolution has broken evolution in two separated blocks- Cosmological Evolution, from the big Bang to 10 billion years ago and Biological Evolution in the last 3,7 billion years – with no links, no connection between them, so, for to fill the big abysm between then, we appeals to variations by chance. This could be a mythos, the principles of a religion, the not-to-be-magical-thinking.
I am not a scientist but I learned a lot myself about natural philosophy, studying from Hippocrates to Euclides to Mendel to Darwin, they were not scientists also, merely natural philosophers trying to apply the scientific method isolated at very hard and poor circumstances. While Darwin spent 4 years observing small details like the birds, I spent seven years isolated in the jungle observing the bigger details, trying to understand macro-evolution. But is impossible getting reasonable answers if we do not consider the sun’s light and the astronomic context influencing biological evolution. Then we have new ideas, new theoretical models, even the surprising event when we have a theoretical model of an astronomic system where we can see, only among the connections among spheres and vortices in the sky, a system that lays eggs out and at the same time keep the eggs inside showing a thermodynamic structure identical the modern mammals womb. But, if it is thru, then, the mechanisms of atoms, galaxies need be increased upon the three Darwinian variables for to explaining the whole picture, included how and why a reptile became mammal.
It is not interesting from the natural systems viewpoint, loosing time with the meteorite influencing living species at that time. From the controversy around 1860-1960 among Maxwell’s demon, Szilard’s cost of information, Brillouin’s positions about dissipation, Bennett’s positions, etc., we knows today that any system that gets information beyond the limits of its physical possibilities, will pay the hard price for discarding it. Obtaining information does not cost ( at least in the path from alligators to dinosaurs if the environment is properly), forgetting it is the problem. It happens with any system, be it atoms, stellar, galaxies, plants or a human body. So, the pathways of evolution that leads the first reptiles to dinosaurs and then, going back to an alligator for to follow the path to mammals were obeying thermodynamic laws, macro-evolution laws, because the dinosaur had to forgetting the wrong informations they got. The pregnancy phenomena, the womb anatomy were written in the stars, thermodynamically, billion years before life’s origins, and those mechanisms are inside us, at our genetics, and above us, surrounding us, modeling the planets environment. It does not need religion, neither supreme intelligence, neither creationism nor Intelligent Designer for to explain Evolution, but, it does not need also the atheist mythos of Nature variations by chance selected for evolution. Open-mind, continuing to search at larger horizons, this is the right thing to teach our beloved children. But, ok, if you are parent and want another way, it is not me that will try to change your mind. I expose this theory trying to change informations, to see critical thinking against the theory, because, I am sure, my worldview is not complete either.
Correction: Instead “Gold punctuation” I wanted to write about the Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldrege punctuated equilibria theory. Sorry.
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