Posts Tagged ‘origins of life’

Understanding why not the Milk Way, but its essence, produced us

Friday, August 25th, 2017

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Teorias sobre Origens da Vida

My comment below explains the perspective of Matrix/DNA Theory about the “origins of life”, posted in the debate at this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhZcEY5PCQ&lc=z12rtxmiipbfz1ake22vcfh4lymvcpskj.1503690998028050

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luvdomus luvdomus - 8/25/2017

If living matter which is made from atoms and molecules, didn’t come from non-living matter, also made from atoms and molecules, where did it come from? Out of empty space?

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Louis Charles Morelli Louis Charles Morelli - 8/25/2017

luvdomus: Forget the word “living”, which is antropomorfism, and things becomes clear. From Nature perspective, must say “systems”.

You are thinking in “atoms and molecules” as portion of organic mass coming from non-organic mass. Of course, a biological system can not comes from non-organic portion of mass. But, see that portions of non-organic mass can belong to a natural system, like atoms, galaxies. Now we has a better question: biological systems came from a non-biological system?

We need think about the jump in complexity, which would be very big. And what could happens in the process of transition for such mutation. The most complex non-biological system must be a galaxy. Making comparative anatomy between the first complete working biological system ( a Eukaryota cell system) and a galaxy, it seems impossible the jump. But,… maybe we are not knowing what a galaxy is. Maybe our theoretical model, the nebular theory, the spontaneous and random formation of bodies, are so wrong as when we were believing that Earth was the center of Sun’s system.

That’s what lead me to recalculate this models from the perspective of a cell system and calculating reverse evolution. The results – called Matrix/DNA Theory – shows a theoretical model of – not galaxies – but, building blocks of galaxies, that are equal to the building blocks of DNA. So, like the essence of an organism is not the organism but its DNA – it is the DNA that is transmitted to offspring, not the organism – is possible that the essence of this galaxy – the Matrix, its kind of non-biological DNA – was inserted into terrestrial atoms, driving them to biological organization and finally, composing a working system, due water and its production: organic chemistry.

So, we still have only theories, to be tested. But, now, after fixing this mistake caused by anthropomorphism, we can suppose that it is possible: biological systems were produced by evolution inside and by galaxies, which building blocks are half-biological/half mechanical described by Newtonian’s mechanics. Welcome to the new Milk Way, our physical grand-grandmother. Now, about our consciousness, its origins, I make no idea… Again the jump in complexity from the human brain to consciousness is not astronomic… maybe is universally ex-machine.

Debate between a Creationist, a Materialist, and the Matrix/DNA world view

Wednesday, August 9th, 2017

I was in a debate in the Internet when I have an idea for explaining something of the Matrix/DNA world view in a different manner. It is interesting, so, I copied it here for thinking about tonight. What do you think?

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luvdomus  – 4 hours ago – 8/9/17: (Materialist, atheist)
The ‘jump” of abiogensis was a series of very small steps over millions of years.
There was no origins of life, so, no jump of abiogenesis. Biological systems (aka life) were built by the building blocks of this galaxy, which worked as photons-genes and became the building blocks of DNA. All known properties of life were existing in less evolved state at this galaxy, by entropy its information fail to Earth surface, as the initial conditions. See at my avatar and website the face of LUCA ( the Last Universal Common Ancestor) the evolutionary link between inorganic and organic, but it never came to Earth, it is surrounding us in the sky.
Ok I described my theory. But you said “The ‘jump” of abiogenesis was a series of very small steps over millions of years”, in an affirmative way. You was not there, you have not watched it, so you need to advise that you have a theory, like I did it. Time and more data will solve which theory is the best.
+Luvdomus – Why do you believe it happened by small steps? Science has never shown life to come from non life in small steps or big steps ever. So why would you believe it?
Santana Garcia ( Materialist)
+Luvdomus – that’s because bacteria and viruses also play a roll in the complexity of life , this video did not get to that yet. Also 4 billion years of evolving matter to living things is hardly a jump. Do you really understand how long 4 billion years is ?
Smoothsay2 Smoothsay (creationist)+Santana – Do you really believe that chemicals could assemble themselves into DNA that is programmed to build cells, rna, cellular machinery, & self correcting rna polymerase transcription functions & reproduction systems? Rather a wild accident isn’t it 4 billion years or 100 billion years do you actually believe this would happen?

Smoothsay2 – Now, imagine this belief growing. Then they will write their sacred book. ” There was a talking rock radiating light that separated the waters of the Red sea and came to Prophet Darwin saying that…”

I suspects in this way were wrote the Kuran, the Bible, etc. and, do you believe that till today there are people believing in that?! But, for telling the thru, I found that Genesis is the correct scientific description of the events that brought life and the man to Earth. It is the right description of LUCA (the Last Universal Common Ancestor) and the events creating life here. If you see and understand how works the system called LUCA ( its face is at my avatar – the life cycle of any astronomic body like Earth, and the building blocks of galaxies), you will discover all Genesis’s symbols there: the system was a paradise for X and Y (Adam and Eve), in shape of an apple, with a systemic circuit in shape of a snake, the spiral galaxy seems a tree, etc. In fact, X convinced Y to eat the apple ( which means the selfish state of closed system). And attacked by entropy the system falls to planet’s surface, in shape of genes-photons, which guided the terrestrial atoms to build aminoacids, molecules, RNA, till the first cell, which is the exactly biological copy of our sinner ancestor… the Milk Way.
Genesis is all about metaphors describing the scientific complexity for lay man! But how any ancient man knew that? 2 theories: 1) our ancestor and those events are registered at our DNA ( the junk DNA) which are at the center of our neurons and altered mental states produces flashes from that memory. Since ancient man did not know nothing about astronomy, he found the way to explain it by metaphors. 2) Aliens were here and told it… I don’t see another alternative, since I can not believe that a God of a multiverse came here…

 Louis Charles Morelli – the problem with metaphorical ideas is they are subject to any kind of interpretation so you will always will be able to make them match with any scientific or metaphysical theory.

oz surveillance –  Ok, then, I will invite you to a challenge:

 Find the scientific theory that matches with the following:
1) We built this modern city where humans will live as a paradise. But like the Brave New World of Huxley and under the Big Brother, humans will be stupid and stagnating in this shape forever. Take the red pill if you want living here;
2) Outside there are those humans cities in state of chaos, lots of problems, misery, diseases, etc. But, those people will be opened to their evolution, they could reach the galaxies. Take the blue pill if you want that.
This was the exactly situation the author described with Eve offering the apple: eat the apple, the red pill, standing forever in this “jungle” paradise I built for us; do not eat the apple and we fall in chaos far away from here…
We found that the vital principle is encoded in a light wave, like that emitted after the Big Bang. The code worked matter and built the atom system, the star system, and when went to build the galactic system… matter was reaching its supreme goal, which is to be a closed system at eternal termodynamic equillibrium.
The code could doing a choice, unifying with matter and living that paradise; or fighting matter, suffering at chaos but keeping the state of opened system, opened to its own evolution. The red pill or the blue pill?
The code choose the paradise, from the Universe came the Clausius Law, the entropy that produces the death of any system. The code falls at planets, here we are. Please, find the scientific theory that matches this metaphora like the Matrix/DNA Theory – a merely philosophical naturalist theory, matched it… Good look…
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Then, one day after this debate, I was searching the scientific news at Internet and found a great, spetacular news ( ” Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins”) that is just the confirmation of several theories I wrote in the debate. So, I went back writing this:
To everybody debating with me in this thread: please, see how and why the Matrix/DNA world view during the last 30 years has confirmed hundreds of its previsions. Two days ago I wrote here: ” We found that the vital principle is encoded in a light wave, like that emitted after the Big Bang”.
Today I am reading the news: ” Bright flash of light marks incredible moment life begins”. I have wrote here that in this Universe is occurring a natural genetic process of reproduction of the unknown thing that triggered the Big Bang as an act of fecundation.
And I wrote here that evolution is expanding like waves in the water: each new wave carries own the dust of the last wave and reaches more dust ahead. So the second wave of evolution receives the systems from the first wave, aggregating new information, evolving it and throwing it to next wave. The last wave has repeated all step of all waves before, that’s why a new shape, like a human embryo, repeats all evolutionary shapes. It means that the first moment of human life repeats the first moment of the Universe when the “life” of a universal natural system is began. It was a genetic code encoded by photons, then evolved to an atom like the first cell; to a nebulae of galaxies like the blastula… and so on.
I will research now what is the secret of zinc atom, it must have some property that something at the Big Bang had. But, as I said thousand times, the big secret of genome, or DNA, is that its electrons are occupied by photons with information of the life’s code. So, that light saw by scientists occurs when the male counterpart that contains the half of the code’s network meets the another half and the entire network flourishes… the mechanism is repeated when a supernova is born, as you can see at Matrix/DNA astronomical models. Three days ago another great prevision was conformed: #0 years ago when I got the copyright of this theory it contained that a star’s nucleus has a dynamics like the first frequency of light wave, which is the strongest. So, the nucleus should have a rotation fast than the above spherical rotations… This whole theory is results from calculations applying the most natural logic as I was studying the biosphere at Amazon jungle… and its right previsions has suggested that nature does not plays dice with its creatures, although we insist to play dices with her.

Theories of Origins of Life

Wednesday, January 25th, 2017

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A good compilation of actual theories, copied here for further research:

from:

https://www.slideshare.net/damarisb/origin-of-life-27039382

Teorias sobre Origens da Vida

Origin of life

  1. 1. INTRODUCTION Several attempts have been made from time to time to explain the origin of life on earth. As a result, there are several theories which offer their own explanation on the possible mechanism of origin of life. Following are some of them: • Theory of Special Creation • Theory of Spontaneous Generation • Theory of Biogenesis • Theory of Biochemical Evolution • Theory of Panspermia • Deep sea hydrothermal vent theory
  2. 2. • All the different forms of life – created by God. • HINDU CONCEPT :- Lord Brahma- created the living world in one stroke. • CHRISTIAN & ISLAM BELIEF :- God created this universe, plants, animals and human beings in about six days. • 3 main postulates : – All different kinds of animals & plants were created at once. – All organisms were created in the same form in which they exist today. – Their bodies & organs have been designed to fully meet the needs of the environment. • It has no scientific basis.
  3. 3. THEORY OF SPONTANEOUS GENERATION
  4. 4. • Living things originated spontaneously from inanimate objects. • It is also called abiogenesis or biopoesis. • Supporters :- Aristotle » Epicurus » Von Helmont • They believed » Insects arise from dew » Fish & frog from mud » Fly maggots from meat . • Opposers » Fransisco Redi » Spallanzani » Louis pasteur • The opposers disproved this theory. Redi’s experiment Pasteur’s experiment
  5. 5. •Proposed by Richter in 1865 and supported by Arrhenius. •Life had come to earth from other planets of the universe, in the form of resistant spores. •British astronomers Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe proposed: •interstellar dust and comets contain organic compounds. •comets, which are largely made of water-ice, carry bacterial life across galaxies and protect it from radiation damage along the way. • The 2005 Deep Impact mission to Comet Tempel 1 discovered a mixture of organic and clay particles inside the comet. Credit: Hoover/Journal of Cosmology Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center published a paper on March 4, 2011, claiming to have found fossil evidence for cyanobacteria in an extremely rare class of meteorites, called CI1 carbonaceous chondrites .
  6. 6. SOME OTHER THEORIES……. • Theory of Eternity of life: Life only changes its form but is never created. It has no origin and has always existed. • Theory of catastrophism – modification of the theory of Special Creation. – States that there have been several creations of life by God, each preceded by a catastrophe resulting from some kind of geological disturbance. – Since each catastrophe completely destroyed the existing life, each new creation consisted of life form different from that of previous ones. – Main supporters : French scientists Georges Cuvier and Orbigney • Vitalism : – Only living tissue, by virtue of possessing some “life-force,” can produce organic compounds. – Supporters: Berzelius and Bergson. – The production of acetic acid, from its elements, by the German chemist Hermann Kolbe in 1845, disproved vitalism.
  7. 7. • Also known as Materialistic Theory or Physico-chemical Theory. • Proposed independently by a Russian scientist, A.I.Oparin, in 1923 and an English scientist, J.B.S Haldane, in 1928. According to this theory, • Life first arose from a collection of chemical substances by a progressive series of reactions. • Early Earth’s surface and atmosphere – radically different from today’s condition. • The primitive earth’s atmosphere -reducing type. • Solar radiation and lightning must have been the chief energy source for these chemical reactions. • The organic compounds gradually accumulated in oceans and formed a ―hot primordial soup‖ or ―hot dilute soup‖. • Also known as ―Darwin’s warm little pond‖
  8. 8. • Oparin proposed that the proteinoids, nucleo proteins and other organic and inorganic molecules aggregated and precipited in sea forming organized colloid aggregates called coacervates. • The coacervates were able to absorb and assimilate organic compounds from the environment in a way reminiscent of metabolism. • They divided by budding. • Oparin considered that the coacervates gave rise to primitive cells or Eubionts. • Sydney fox obtained proteinoid microspheres by heating a mixture of dry amino acids b/w 130 to 1800C and later cooling them in water. • It was similar to coccoid bacteria. Coacervates Microspheres
  9. 9. UREY – MILLER EXPERIMENT
  10. 10. DRAWBACKS OF UREY MILLER EXPERIMENT • By examining rocks ―dated‖ to be 3.7 billion years old, geologists determined that earth had an oxygenic atmosphere. • Oxygen is an ―oxidizing‖ agent and would inhibit chemical evolution. • Experiment produced a mixture of right-handed & left handed amino acids, but in nature left handed ones predominate. • Now it is thought that the atmosphere of the early earth was not rich in methane and ammonia — essential ingredients in Miller’s experiments.
  11. 11. • Recently some scientists put forth a hypothesis that life originated near a deep sea hydrothermal vent. • Black smoker hydrothermal vent – first discovered vents – produced extremely hot water, 3500 C – not conducive to micro-chemical evolution. • Lost City hydrothermal field – Alkaline vents in mid- Atlantic ocean. – discovered by Kelley and others in 2000. – Much cooler- temp of water – 70-900C – They are porous,honey-combed with cavities. – The cavities are at a scale of 1 micron – the same size as a living cell. – The cavity walls are saturated with iron- sulfur(Fe-S) mineral catalysts.
  12. 12. H2 +CO2 simple organic molecule (CH4, formate & acetate.) Serpentinization :- chemical reactions between seawater and mantle rocks which contain large amounts of the mineral olivine (a Mg-Fe silicate)  H2O was reduced by Fe2 ; H2 & S released.  At the vent ocean interface sulphur precipitate, Iron, Nickel etc transition metal sulphides. They catalyse H2 dependent reduction of CO2 to CO CO + H2S CH3-CO-SCH3 (methyl thioester of acetic acid)  These activated acetic acid derivatives serve as starting materials for subsequent exergonic synthetic steps. Vent pores concentrated large molecules like nucleotides formation of RNA, DNA , proteins NiS FeS
  13. 13. RECENT DEVELOPMENTS – In April 2011, researchers in Italy found that if they mixed formamide, a simple chemical present in space, with material from a meteorite, and then heated the mixture, that they produced nucleic acids (building blocks of DNA and RNA), the amino acid glycine, and a precursor to sugar. – In February 2010 scientists at the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego announced that they have synthesized RNA enzymes, known as ribozymes, that can replicate themselves without the help of any proteins or other cellular components. – In May 2009, a team led by John Sutherland, a chemist at the University of Manchester in England discovered how the basic nucleotides (building blocks) of RNA could spontaneously assemble . He formed the RNA nucleotide ribocytidine phosphate from cyano-acetylene.
  14. 14. CONCLUSION • All the evidence gathered thus far has revealed a great deal about the origin of life, but there is still much to learn. • Numerous scenarios have been explored for many years, but there is still a large gap between what is known and what is unknown. • Because of the enormous length of time and the tremendous change that has occurred since then, much of the evidence relevant to origins has been lost and we may never know certain details. • Nevertheless, many of the gaps in our knowledge (gaps that seemed unbridgeable just 20 years ago) have been filled in recent years, and continuing research and new technologies hold the promise of more insights.
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  16. 15. REFERENCES • Strickberger W Monroe (2000), Evolution, 3rd edition, Jones and Bartlett Publishers. • Arora P Mohan . (2000), Evolutionary Biology ,3rd edition, Himalaya Publishing House • http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/05/exclusive-nasa-scientists- claims-evidence-alien-life meteorite/#ixzz1cvC7Bge8 • http://www.smashinglists.com/top-10-theories-on-beginning-of-life-on- earth/ • http://mannaismayaadventure.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/ • http://www.tutorvista.com/content/biology/biology-iii/origin-life/origin- life-theories.php • http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/03/962923/-Revolutionary- Science:-Hydrothermal-Vents-and-the-Origins-of-Life • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_flx26bU0Q&feature=related

Origins of Life: Eigen, hipercycles, and the software Matrix/DNA

Wednesday, April 14th, 2010

( Matter of study today, Wed, April 14, 2010)

http://complex.upf.es/~josep/research.html

Hypercycles were initially proposed by Manfred Eigen in the 1970′s, and opened a novel framework to study the matter self-organization in the context of the origins of life in prebiotic evolution. One of the most important evolutionary properties of the hypercycle is that this system allows to overcome the Eigen’s error catastrophe transition, which is present in earlier replicators, which have a quasispecies distribution. Eigen (1971) argued that primitive genomes must have been segmented (consisting of physically unlinked genes) and that these single genes would had the tendency to compete with one other so, consequently, some mechanism ensuring their coexistence was needed.

My Comments:

Eighen has almost touched the formula of Matrix/DNA when thinking about unlinked genes and filling the necessity of a system’s circuit for linking them, which he called (hypercycles). His problem was he forgot to look the entire state of the world that was envolved in the life’s origins, notably the astronomic world (maybe due the wrong vision of Nebular Theory). The mechanisms that leads de single genes (probably they were terrestrial atoms populated by photons coming from sun’s radiation and Earth’s nucleus radiation, beeing that those photons made the atoms combinating in the same way that the astronomic building block is combinated) to the tendency to compete with one other is clear seen in the Matrix/DNA model of the software of a closed system and in the model of LUCA as astronomic hardware, I think.

(opened field for research)