Alexander Cornwalled ev uma pastor americano ativo militante pelo partido republicano e sua igreja crista. Tem sido alvo de muitos debates devido suas posicoes extremadas em relacao a assuntos como aborto, casamento gay, etc. Dias atras fui alertado por um grupo de ateus reunidos num website denominado “The Skepitics Guide to the Universe” que minha teoria estava sendo usada por Cornwalled por interesses religiosos e me exigindo atuar desde que escrevi na primeira pagina de meu website que tenho os direitos autorais e desautorizo quem venha a usar algo com fins politicos, financeiros ou doutrinarios. Surpreendido fui verificar o endereco que me deram “The Divine Matrix” e grande parte de meus textos e imagens estavam la. Os ateus alegaram que tambem tenho culpa porque escrevi na Home que “desde que dentro deste universo esta ocorrendo um processo de reproducao genetica do sistema desconhecido que gerou este Universo tunelado para nos produzir, e desde que aqui emergiu a Vida e a Auto-Consciencia”, sera racional supor que o sistema criador é tambem vivo e auto-consciente.” Os ateus me acusam de que assim fiz apologia religiosa e estou pregando a existencia de Deus, nao lhes sendo valida a minha insistencia em que a formula da Matrix/DNA esta sugerindo que esse sistema ex-machine tem que ser algo natural. Antes que eu pudesse tomar alguma providencia contra Cornwalled alguem entrou em seu website usando meu nome e dizendo que eu o demandaria na justica se ele nao o retirasse do ar. Cornwalled fez um estardalhaco com a Matrix/DNA dizendo que “foi descoberta uma formula que prova como foi o metodo de criacao por Deus, mas que os religiosos da America deviam imediatamente assumir e divulgar a formula antes que os ateus o façam como fizeram com a Teoria da Evolucao do Darwin usando-a para doutrinar os estudantes e afasta-los da igreja”. Mas como na America a justiçca realmente funciona e defende direitos autorais, ele retirou o website do ar, do qual mantenho uma copia. Eu jamais imaginei que meu humilde trabalho na selva amazonica pudesse um dia provocar tal celeuma na America, porem, estava acontecendo.
Agora atraves de uma pesquisa no Google descubro tambem que no Brasil um grupo religioso anima um movimento com pagina no Facebook denominado “O DNA de Deus”. Nao sei quem so e obviamente nao acredito que conheçam a Teoria da Matrix/DNA, mas ev um alento descobrir que em toda parte do mundo pessoas vindas das mais diferentes crencas estao se alertando para a existencia desse incrivel segredo oculto na Natureza. A titulo de curiosidade deixei a seguinte mensagem na pagina
Desculpe-me invadir sua pagina mas gostaria de sua opinião sobre isto. O nome ” DNA de Deus” me chamou atenção porque sou autor de uma teoria que pode ser denominada de “Matrix/DNA de Deus”. Resumindo, meu método estudando sistemas naturais na selva amazônica e aplicando anatomia comparada entre sistemas vivos e inanimados resultou na teoria de que existe uma formula universal (Matrix), que a Natureza tem usado para organizar a matéria em todos os sistemas conhecidos, de átomos a galaxias a células. Acontece que a formula tambem é a exata representação de um par de nucleotídeos, a unidade fundamental de informação do DNA. Isto significa que dentro deste Universo esta ocorrendo um processo de reprodução genética do sistema (do ser, ou seja la o que for que gerou este Universo.Pode-se dar o nome de Deus) Aqui nos USA tem havido reação a teoria e uma grande igreja daqui fez um website proclamando que foi descoberto o método da Criação e que isto prova a frase “o homem a imagem e semelhança de Deus” Enquanto isso ateus tem protestado em vários websites dizendo que estou usando a Ciência para publicidade religiosa porque digo que a emergência da vida e da Auto-Consciência aqui indica que o sistema alem do Universo sendo reproduzido aqui tem que ser vivo e consciente. Aqui nos USA esta havendo uma guerra acirrada entre Teoria da Evolução x Intelligent Designer. Uma breve ideia pode ser obtida no meu website onde esta a formula: http://theuniversalmatrix.com . Gostaria de saber a opinião de religiosos brasileiros a respeito. Grato, Louis Charles Morelli.
There are bad things for kids in Bill’s beliefs also. Non-human moral values like “the good design is justified when eats the bad ones”. And salvage competition. In Nature evolution does not works bottom-up only.There is a hierarchic systems superposition, every system is composed by minor system and is inside bigger systems. Then, every evolutionary steps seems bottom-up from a local observer viewpoint, but it reveals being up-down for a bigger observer that is seeing the whole. Nanotechnology.
Aviso: O limite de 500 caracteres no Youtube impede um post de uma cosmovisão estranha, desconhecida, que teria de descer a muitos detalhes para explicar suas conclusões. Portanto tais posts parecem virem de lunáticos, ao observador/julgador imediatista. Aqui nos sentimos agradecidos pelos bons efeitos do discurso de Bill Nye porem tem maus efeitos tambem. Defeitos em seu discurso:
1) Condiciona a mente de crianças com a crença de que a Natureza caminha cegamente, pois sistemas emergeriam por chance nos niveis menores, microscópicos, e a partir daí estariam sujeitos a forças competitivas para sobrevivencia, sendo que aqueles melhores desenhados no momento que emergem comem os piores desenhados. Isto passa à criança a crença num mundo onde competir seria a regra imposta e a aplicação da astucia, da força bruta seria justificada. Isto leva a racismos, idéias de genética superior, e fornece aos que querem poder sem fazer seu trabalho justificativas para seus atos contra os mais fracos. Etc.
Acontece que a interpretação de Bill Nye sôbre como a natureza funciona pode estar errada por ser imediatista, lilmitada a um pequeno observador situado num infimo ponto do espaço-tempo, sem ter a visão de horizontes mais amplos e portanto um maior entendimento de como a natureza funciona. Para se interpretar os resultados biológicos aqui é preciso sentar=se em algum ponto alem da galaxia e dos 4 bilhões de anos da origem e evolução biológica, pois as razões estão nas mãos do criador e não da criatura. Foi a galaxia que criou os sistemas biológicos dentro dela, ou ao menos ela é o molde que dirige as formas que a ela se adaptam. E a galaxia é uma má criadora, sdua ideologia, suas regras não convem à espécies inteligentes.
A evolução avança “de baixo para cima”? Existe um processo natural observavel aqui e agora onde se observa a evolução fazendo o caminho contrario, avançando de cima para baixo, mas que para todo observador assistindo o processo localizado ao mesmo nivel do processo parecerá um movimento “de baixo para cima”. me refiro ao processo da embriogenese humana. Imagine uma espécie de micróbios inteligentes vivendo dentro da barriga de uma mulher grávida. Desde que eles vivem apenas alguns dias, muitas gerações passarão durante os nove meses de gravidez. Eles assistirão “emergir” do liquido amniótico sistemas como genes, verão uma massa disforme como a blastula, dela emergirá formas, estas se transformarão em órgãos, etc. Cada órgão vivo parecerá um ser vivo gigante como dinossauros, ou melhor, estrêlas-do-mar, medulas, polvos, que não se movem mas comem o que existe nas redondezas e crescem. ACREDITARÃO PIAMENTE QUE ESSE PROCESSO EVOLUCIONARIO QUE ASSISTEM AVANÇA A PARTIR DA BASE, DA BLASTULA, NA DIREÇÃO DE FORMAS CADA VEZ MAIORES E MAIS COMPLEXAS. Mas para um observador situado fora do ambiente onde se dá o processo, tudo será ao contrário. Êle está vendo a espécie humana, o pai distante, o corpo da mãe alem daquele universo dos micróbios, sabe que aquela espécie humana foi miniaturizada, comprimida, dentro de microscópicos squinhos cromossomicos, invisiveis aos microbios, mas que estão ali no meio da blastula, e eles são os instrumentos do verdadeiro criador e diretor daquele processo evolucionario. Assim acontece em relação à galaxia Via Láctea e os sistemas biológicos que emergiram e evoluem na superficie da Terra. A falta da consideração e do entendimento da galaxia leva Bill Nye a incutir errados e perigosos valores morais nas crianças, pois paras a humanidade não convem reproduzir aqui uma maquina estupida como a galaxia e se tornar mais uma mera peça funcional estupida dela. Se o ensino religioso deísta-criaciocionista está evidentemente errado, tambem o está o ensino religioso ateísta-evolucionista. A Matrix/DNA é a opção do meio-têrmo, a mais inteligente e a que melhor convem à Humanidade.
I am asking permission to commentators, to Bill Nye and Youtube, for adding one approach, which is forgotten here. We are adults debating what we should transmit/transfer from our experience of life to our loved next generations. But, what about the other side? There are no children here speaking for themselves. We should try “empathy”, changing informations about “who are them”, thinking from their “mysterious” wishes, and making comparisons between their bias and the real world as we know it.
When I try to think from the “children perspectives”and the world that is waiting for them, some issues comes quick to my mind. First of all, the issue about over-population.This world will become very unsuitable for them. It seems this issue is solved in first world of Europe, but till Europe will face the effects of world over-population. We need acting over education at third world countries. What we will teach: the control by scientific methods or this “non-control” by their religions?
Apes, are healthier and perfect physical machine than human beings.They are the fittest for getting better life at this biosphere built by a kind of perfect machine, described by Newtonian mechanics. But human mind is a natural production that changed the environment, in a way that apes aren’t more adapted.Then, physically, there are degradation of the inherited ape with 75% of bad mutations and 24 neutrals. Humans are the dark reverse light at the same avenue that is advancing the white light
No. It just implies that the common ancestor of all living beings is in the sky. Which means that had no abiogenesis, but, cosmological embryogenesis with a big mutation due the ancestor was made with solid and gaseous states of matter, and the first living being was nurtured in a womb where emerged the liquid state, hence chemistry.
Well…it is not in the sky in relation to earth, because earth is part of it. It is in sky like you are just now. Have you thought about that? The “womb” for the first living being was this planet…in this cosmic region. Stellar systems and galaxies were nurtured in environment existing only solid and gaseous states. At least organic Chemistry is a recent emerged process. Something wrong here?
No human names for world views. My method was applied by the forst time in Human History: comparative anatomy among all natural systems, from atoms to galaxies to brains… and now, consciousness. Academic Science is missing to do that and the result is very bad: they had shared Universal Natural History into two separated blocks, with no evolutionary link between them. That’s why they can’t understand the emergence of life here. matrix/DNA has a better rational theory about
Comparative anatomy of natural systems. Galaxies are merely one of those. This method is rational because it is the right thing to do if you make the rational question: the first living being was a system, the cell system. So, its creator must be a system. Which natural systems were existing at that time? Which is the most suitable for to be the past evolutionary link? The right question brings on the right answer.
Super-nova is not explosion and emergence of a new star. It is the opposite:implosion. Of a dark giant planet turned on a pulsar. All planets has as nucleus the germ of a star, which nuclear reactions goes eating the layers of rocks from inside to outside. When the last layer is tiny, it collapses and the internal light is released to the external world. A new baby was born. Our ancestor made everything like we do now.
I’m all for this “ancestor” theory of yours… but what does this “ancestor” consist of?
Is it/he/she material or immaterial? If material, then which elements make up this “ancestor”?
Is this ancestor anthropomorphic or is it some kind of amorphous gaseous blob that floated around in an eternal vacuum until it “decided” to fart out the universe?
This ancestor is seen when galaxies are observed from Biological perspective, I mean, by the reverse way of evolution, knowing the last product (cells) and calculating the ancestors…It is the opposite way used by Physics perspective.There was a nebulae of lighter atoms about 12 billions years ago. The nebulae made the first lightest stars. These stars were under forces that imprint the process of life cycles. They changed shapes and composed an almost living system. Lots of evidences for it.
But why are you looking at galaxies from the “Biological perspective”?
You do realize that you’re simply making an “analogy” between “biology” and “astronomy”?
Then I hope you realize that in most schools of Logic, analogies are considered technically “fallacious” (though you can come up with “good” and “bad” analogies)… Why? Because you’re ultimately comparing apples to oranges. Yours falls under “False Analogy”.
Dave, the human idea about evolution was made based in analogy between species, fossils, DNA, etc. Why? It is the unique rational alternative we have for inquiring the unknown past times. Where Biological systems came from? Be it what to be, it was inside an astronomical system. You will not agree with that if you believe in magics, by gods or randomness. So, if biological came from astronomical, the principles for biological must be hidden in the astronomical. That’s so clear!
Ok. Just because we call a cell a “system” and a galaxy a “system” doesn’t imply that they have some relationship.
I’m not saying they aren’t related, I mean obviously a cell is part of some galaxy…
But to claim that the name “system” creates some kind of palpable relationship between the two is REALLY stretching it.
What about this cool “Lean System Success Plan” i can buy online for 100 dollars that guarantees I will lose 10 lbs in one month? It’s called a “system” too! Is it relevant? NO
It really doesn’t imply, but, implying that a cell system came from a non-system, like the primordial soup, is less rational.I think what is missing for modern academic Science is knowledge about natural systems. I think there are only three: atomic, astronomic and biological. I had aligned them in this sequence for you notice that there was a movement from the simple to most complex in right chronological time. This is evolution. Universal Natural MacroEvolution. There is genetic relationship
Yes Adam had a uterus. All males have it. Encrypted In the genes. It is not expressed because the gene for phallus is expressed two times. If you see the cosmological model of the state of the world when the Bible says that Adam existed you will see that those primordial galaxies were hermaphrodite, Adam and Eve encrypted. Things are more, lots more complex than you think…sorry.
But yours body once time could be fitted on the head of a pin, Goo. Why not the Universe? The smaller initial size of the Universe is not food for atheism, it is food for agnosticism and creationism. What was existing before your body being smaller than a pin? Yours parents, right? Why not the Universe? You need to understand that nature applies nanotechnology ( making a big body as a microscope one) and giantology ( making a microscope body being a big one)
This issue is very important because if we knew the truth about the sun we could built a mechanical copy getting another kind of energy. And an important factor should be a better understanding about life origins and operations. There is a problem with the method used today: they are calculating the sun from Physics perspective only. But, since that all life is dependable of Sun’s energy, and life was created by this energy also, we need the biological perspective of the sun, made by Matrix/DNA
I just let it play out and continue as is. In a way, I’m sure it is kind of mean. My area is neuropsych, though, and I intend to study clinical psych (in fact, just got an RA position in a neuropsych and social cognition lab so we’ll see how that goes). From what I understand so far about it, cognitive behavioral therapy is actually fairly difficult and challenging, in that the therapist or clinician challenges the client’s beliefs and cognitions where they are maladaptive.
How do you know that the client’s beliefs and cognition are the wrong ones and not the social system’s beliefs, which erected the wrong social system?!
Because the cognitions are maladaptive. Examples would be, “I am worthlesss”, “I am God”, or “I hear voices which tell me to kill myself”. Also, cultural considerations are made. For instance, an American might say that a particular Japanese person is neurotically shy when it may turn out that he is just culturally reserved. I will learn a lot more about this later, but I know some now. Just please know my knowledge is incomplete.
Ok. I think the area of neuropsych is very important for future of human kind but it needs urgent self-analyses. You will think that this idea is odd, but, for neuropsych professionals to understand what is going on in the brain they will need study astronomy also. Nature produced the brain which neurons must mirror the connections among natural phenomena for to be healthier. Culture can works as a kind of malignant virus, when culture has the wrong interpretation of reality. Am I wrong?
I don’t understand your idea of self-analyses in terms of astronomy. You are correct that neuropsych scientists and clinicians must understand the brain. We do, however, spend a great deal of time understanding basic brain processes such as neurodevelopment and the basic concepts in learning like plasticity, sensitization, and habituation with model animals in controlled experiments such as those done with aplysia.
I will try to explain, but, be advised, it is merely my theory. I am trying to follow the everyday new discoveries published by neuropsych scientists and clinicians.But I apply the knowledge of the brain for trying to understand the Universe and vice-verse.The brain is shared into two hemispheres. Do you know why Nature did it this way? The building block of galaxies is shared into two hemispheres also, the connections between them help us to understand the connections here. Same functions
Well, the idea of culture being wrong about something is very touchy. There are psychologists who devote themselves to cultural psychology, such as culturally specific mental illnesses. The definition of a mental illness may help here, which is that it is only a mental illness if it 1. Causes you mental stress and 2. Interferes with your daily functioning.
And how is the definition of the whole society mental illness? How to diagnose the social mental illness? How we know if a social behavior is naturally healthier or more one collective mental illness that is not synchronized with the laws of Nature? But.. there is no way for to know what is Nature here and now if we don’t know what is our astronomical system. For instance, the cosmological model resulting from a biological perspective is different from the cosmological model made by Physics
You need understand that civilizations are built by a specific interpretation of the world = culture. All human interpretation of the world must be wrong, with some few degree of rightness.But, human beings have the resource of self-cure, or self-correction. When an individual is under this process of social self-correction, his behavior will be not normal in relation to that “wrong” civilization, which causes stress. What we can do? The patient is the society, not the individual
No, it is not so simple like that. Only for yours sake: Physicists Find Evidence That The Universe Is A ‘Giant Brain’ – If you are interested, Google it. The fact that human brains are not an entire whole, or that is not shared into 3, 4, 19 parts is because this bi-lateral symmetry is a constant pattern of natural systems, from galaxies to biological systems.
“No, it doesn’t quite mean that the universe is ‘thinking’ – but as has been previously pointed out online, it might just mean there’s more similarity between the very small and the very large than first appearances suggest.”
And the piece of speculation you are basing your claim on is “might just mean”. Hardly concrete evidence
Yes, but it doesn’t quite mean that the universe is “not” thinking also. We don’t know. My personal investigation using anatomy comparative method already suggested that the first cell is an exactly copy of primordial galaxies – if astronomical bodies are under the process of life cycle formation. I have lots of evidences suggesting it is. And “if” the cell is a copy of galaxies, the brain must be a copy of Universes. There is nothing more reasonable: the creature is the face of the creator
All I know is how the two hemispheres develop in neurodevelopment but I will look up that paper. Is that the title of the paper and do you have the authors and/or journal it came from?
This is a big opportunity for you being a famous and helpful professional for Humanity. I am suggesting a new approach for neuropsych area that nobody tried before. I can’t do it because I am researching thousands of other issues and I have no knowledge/resources you have about this field.
I disagree. That would be an opportunity for me to commit career suicide before I even start. I would prefer by continuing to study cognitive rehabilitation in post surgical epileptics and learn what I can from that experience.
Ohhh…sorry, I was forgetting to talk only the things that are safe for you being a good synchronized citizen of your “health” society. I have committed my career suicide, it is very painful, I ‘must not suggest to others doing it.There are centuries people are “studying” cognitive rehabilitation and it does not works yet, without forcing the cure with drugs. be a good professional following this mindset, it is about money.
What? I don’t understand your first comment. I can, however, say that cognitive rehabilitation is a very specific therapy that has not been around for centuries and is a valid form of therapy. We are looking at a specific implementation of cognitive rehabilitation. Cognitive rehabilitation works based on the idea that the brain is plastic, which wasn’t known centuries ago.
I am not resumed to cognitive rehabilitation therapy, which deals with injured brains ( If I remember it right) but I am thinking the broad sense of cognitive remediation therapy which deals with traditional diseases like schizophrenia, ADHD, and major depressive disorder.
For yours sake: The US Department of Defense has declared that cognitive rehabilitation therapy is scientifically unproved. As a result, it refuses to cover the cost of cognitive rehabilitation for brain-injured veterans
It is enough paste the title at Google. It does not talks about two hemispheres, this issue is about Matrix/DNA Theory’s models. If you see the configuration of a bi-lateral pair of nucleotides you see two hemispheres. Remember that brains are evolutionary result from evolution of nucleotides. If you try to understand how was the state of the world that created nucleotides, you need a cosmological model. If you get the right one, you will understand each division and function in the brain.
The way to tell if a society is healthy or not is simple. Is society (objectively) growing or declining. If it’s growing it’s healthy. “naturally healthier” is a subjective judgement, requiring you to impose your personal values which are not necessarily valid in the society you are commenting on.
So, when the dinosaurs society were growing it was naturally healthier? ( Don’t tell me that fare tale about meteorites) Same for lions, wales, eagles… all of then going to extinction. No, growing in not indicative that nature is happy and will support a species. It can grow in wrong way. Besides that, who is growing now and well adapted to this environment will be sick and destroyed by the next environment due natural changes.
I disagree. That would be an opportunity for me to commit career suicide before I even start. I would prefer by continuing to study cognitive rehabilitation in post surgical epileptics and learn what I can from that experience.
Actually, you can study neurodevelopment in early organisms and in humans to understand how the brain developed over time, from the nerve ganglion in some flatworms to our brains. In order to understand the organization and function of the brain, you need to study the brain using various methods, including neuroimaging, nothing more.
Nothing more? In order to understand the organization and function of the brain we need to know about natural systems, a forgot area by modern mindset. Brains are the new evolutionary shape that came from atoms systems, astronomical systems, cells systems, early organisms systems, etc. Don’t do that and you never will know what a brain is about.
What? I don’t understand your first comment. I can, however, say that cognitive rehabilitation is a very specific therapy that has not been around for centuries and is a valid form of therapy. We are looking at a specific implementation of cognitive rehabilitation. Cognitive rehabilitation works based on the idea that the brain is plastic, which wasn’t known centuries ago.
I appreciate your wikipedia search for my sake, but I am well aware that of what cognitive rehabilitation is and in what ways it has been shown effective. We will be the first to test the effectiveness of cognitive therapy in epileptics. I am aware that the Dept. of Defense will not cover cognitive rehabilitation, but I’m unaware of what relevance any of this has. Our lab’s work is our lab’s work and you are welcome to read the paper when it is published. I’m not exactly sure what your point is.
What is my point? Cognitive therapy is actually fairly difficult and challenging due wrong approach due wrong interpretation of the brain due wrong interpretation of origins and meanings of brains. If we don’t know this Nature here and now we don’t know if the unusual behavior is illness of the individual or of the society.
I am grateful for you keeping this conversation because it is constructive for my job.But I understand why you never have thought outside the box.
“What you are citing is a program that only checks for the version of that particular os to make sure that it has not corrupted during the transfer process.”
Nature does not permit to systems that she creates to be eternally perfect closed operating system. It is because the very foundation of this material Universe: he is assented upon the expansionist light-wave triggered by the Big Bang.This light-wave produces fragments, photons, which go out from direction of the wave. Same way, the unique perfect closed system reached by matter had fragments of mass/energy going out of the systemic circuity. With time = there is whole corruption/mutation
try to stay consistent. You said their is no evidence for spontaneous life. In fact there is evidence and some of that is that 1 – RNA and lipids arise naturally and 2 – RNA and lipids together perform all the functions of life. Also you should be concerned about Prion’s. They arise naturally and can replicate themselves. That is more evidence that life can arise naturally.
No. The fact that RNA and lipids arise naturally is not proof for spontaneous life. They arise by the same process a new human baby arise inside the womb. Should we say our bodies arose spontaneously, by chance? What is missing for you is to see and understand the larger big picture, the state and shape of the world where the first RNA arose. If you try do it you could be more helpful for Humanity. Just now you remembered me that I need go back to study prions-diseases and Matrix/DNA models
You fail to understand both the conversation and the point you are trying to make. 1st, RNA and lipids arising naturally is not “proof” – only an idiot would say that. It is however evidence. RNA and lipids do not arise in nature through the same process as they arise in our body. For example, if you freeze a solution of amino acids, they will form RNA. Hint: your body does not freeze amino acid solutions to form RNA. There are other ways they form in nature as well.
I think I can understand your point because I know your world view, but, you can’t understand my point because you don’t know mine.The emergence of RNA at abiogenesis could be an evidence for spontaneous generation only if one does not know the informations inside atoms, molecules and aminoacids. Same way, the emergence of an embryo inside a womb being watched by a microbe living in that womb should be for him evidence of spontaneous generation. He does not know DNA. You don’t know Matrix
You do not understand my point because you do not know what you are talking about. You are using the terms completely wrong and nothing you are saying makes any sense. Its like you are saying the “rabbit ran fast unicorn eats soup” (WTF?). Additionally, your idea of a world view is nonsense, we live in the same world that follows the same rules of logic and evidence, this “world view” idea is simply a dishonest way to avoid your own ignorance.
You don’t know what you are talking about. Why a long post totally off the topic that initiated our debate? It is about yours beliefs in spontaneous generation of RNA and lipids. Let’s check yours evidences? First: why carbon atom was chosen for to be the basic atom for organic matter? Second: Why carbon choose to link to N and O for building aminoacids?
Ok, you are talking something that I don’t know and I need know it. I will search the paper/articles about freeze aminoacids making RNA, but if you could advance the best paper, I will be grateful.The Matrix/DNA models are suggesting that it is impossible inside a lab to built naturally those 20 aminoacidos and naturally they will compose as RNA. If it is possible, I must throw Matrix models into the garbage. But I want to see it
I am not worried with semantics, but about facts. So, *why is carbon so well suited as the basis for life?*. What is your explanation? It is not enough to say that carbon is able for several connections, etc. It does not works at other different planets. Why Earth is the right catalyst for carbon making the right compositions for life? Of course there is no self awareness involved, but why linking to N and O results into aminoacids fitted for biological systems?
“At the moment, since we have no idea how probable life is, it’s virtually impossible to assign any meaningful probabilities to any of the steps to life except the first two (monomers to polymers p=1.0, formation of catalytic polymers p=1.0). For the replicating polymers to hypercycle transition, the probability may well be 1.0 if Kauffman is right about catalytic closure and his phase transition models, but this requires real chemistry and more detailed modelling to confirm…”
The modern academic worldview have no idea how probable life is because this worldview is denying that every son must have a father with same genetic code. This worldview is suggesting that the first cell came with a genetic code built spontaneously at abiogenesis, but they do not show where and how this genetic code was in the state of the world during abiogenesis. Do you need to apply probability calculus for to know how a female womb is suitable for creating a new life?
Impossible question?! Are you talking about the question: “Which were the natural forces and elements that contributed for building the first biological system? Where were them? How and why those forces and elements converged to this planet surface at same time?”
These is the unique most rational questions we can do. And the method for finding the answers is: “Go looking them at the ancestral existing natural systems: atoms, galaxies, etc.” Yes I did it because I am not denying our ancestors.
Hummm…Yours argument is irrefutable. Really, it is impossible to avoid the basic materials for life – they are pervasive in the universe! Yours problem will begins when you take a little bit of those ingredients, mixing them for getting the right 20 aminoacidos, only the left handed molecules, and leaving them by themselves continuing the process towards the first cell system. Since they will not do that, you will go back, to the Universe – as the designer – for asking the same question.
Yes, but why the carbon structure easily forms long chain polymers for organic life? Why the oxygen or Nitrogen structures are not such suitable? I think academic establishment never did these questions, so, they have no explanations. I will advance the explanation from matrix/DNA models: carbon has number atomic 6, which is the exactly copy of Matrix natural formula for composing natural systems. Each particle is a tool performing a specific universal systemic function. And goes on…
The sun is going to dye because he is eating himself, Goo. The lesson of his existence, the big mistake of being supreme selfish, composing his own body as his own Paradise as a closed system, is spread to the external world in shape of light, a lesson for his offspring don’t do the same mistake.Creationists did not learned the lesson. They don’t love Humanity and Nature, they makes an alliance with a powerful god and lives their selfish life. Your light is our darkness. We’ll do different
Every time you have a question about Nature (the Universe is Nature) search the answer in nature.nature does not play dice with us. So, you will see that all elements and substances inside a cell system came from outside, through holes at the membrane.Now, try to make yours theoretical model about “where the Universe came from” based upon what you see. It is better than appeal to imaginations going far out away from Nature. That’s was the method used by Matrix/DNA models
I never said that. But…natural fractal patterns are in need of analyse from a different approach, other than Math. The universal pattern that Matrix/DNA models are suggesting seems a living thing that evolves, creates different appendices, changes time from micro to macro, etc. It is the universal formula that nature uses as template for organizing matter into systems. It is better seeing as a bi-lateral pair of nucleotide, the unit of information of DNA.
Technically, science is a product of your brain. and then if there were no organisms on the planet during the Big Bang, how did they come from nothing? Macro evolution also doesn’t make sense, in the terms that everyone came from a single cell that multiplied and already had the function to multiply if it was the first one
DarkHoundNero, our known data were rationally connected and the result is the Big Bang Theory. It requires that something came “through” “nothing” and not that something came from nothing. It means that the Universe is surrounded by a kind of membrane remembering nothing, with holes. And the first cell was not the first natural system able to self-replicate: our ancestors, galaxies and stars already does that.These theories are very pretty rationals under the light of what we see here and now.
You’re the first person to actually make some sense and answer me.
So science says that an organism was not present on the earth when the Big Bang happened and it was formed? So where exactly did an organism come from?
Organism is the name that we call any natural biological organized system. Then you have the same question I had 40 years ago and since nobody had the answer, I went to Amazon jungle - the still living world that witnessed the origins of life – searching the answer. There the jungle sent me to ask to the sky, because at the sky was the answer. Then, I saw the Matrix/DNA in shape of astronomical system, working exactly as an ancestral organism. Maybe my answer is wrong, but it is interesting…
The Matrix/DNA does not have seen supernatural interference upon the long chain of causes and effects that began with the Big Bang and is coming to our days.But absence of evidence is not proof for non existence. I will not destroy yours faith and hope in the existence of a lovely God, but only I will debate the events and real facts of this world that my little brain can grasp
I am not well informed about LQG, which means I need to dedicate more time studying. But…theoretical Physics seems that are going away off the beam. I don’t appreciate the idea of existing ghosts black holes as theorized by Hawking, I think that it is result of deviation of Maths from the natural world due the excess of Maths and computer simulations. Matrix/DNA is suggesting that at galactic nucleus there are merely vortexes formed by dust of died stars
It’s reasonable that any natural system 75% bad mutations goes worse and the 1% good, by logics, never should get fixed. But the macro-evidences of this world, the analyses of whole Natural History, shows that the long natural chain of causation is not linear as wish our logics. The carriage makes a curve and so, there is an evolutionary movement from simple to complex that is curve also.Have you heard about white light and dark light? It does that a system must became worst for becoming better
“I don’t know that humans are apes, but I do ‘know’ that life is a kind of energy. Despite my science illiteracy, I KNOW that all the actual scientists are liars or idiots.” –TheOneTheOwnLak
My definition of “life” is: “The shape of the universal natural system that began simplest as a vortex at the Big Bang, but containing all seven brutes natural forces that became the seven life’s properties. This shape correspond to our shape as “fetus” when our body is changing shapes due the action of vital cycle process. So, this Universe is a genetic reproduction process of something ex-machine, performed by steps known as Evolution, but, which, really, is the Universe under a vital cycle
If my definition will be proved the right one, life is not merely “energy”. Energy is merely a natural state got by accelerated mass and mass is the state of low energy. Both, mass and energy are not essence DE per SE, but derivations of a deepest essence: information. Informations are those quantum vortexes that appeared at Big Bang working like genes and composing quarks, leptons, etc.Reproduction of Universes…or Gods? I don’t know.
Really? Thanks by this information, I will go back for repeating my research about AI, maybe is there something new that I don’t know.Any suggestions for correcting my mistakes are welcome.
Every material body that still belongs to any natural system is light sensitive. All matter is supported by an ocean of light that produces wavelengths with different intensities of vibrations.All seven vibrations are shapes of a single vital cycle process. So, the shape of “green”color always are sensitive to “yellow” and “blue” colors due the same cause that a baby is the shape that links to embryo and child. There is symbiosis among material bodies
When a kid lose his parents and becomes homeless, his inner tendency forgets parents and turn on as hate against the hell in the streets and the world, becoming a criminal. But, if the kid is kept by relatives and grows on the same land, he keeps the memory of parents, like Uudam did, and the missing parents’ love becomes great potential tendency in some kind of arts. Usually he does nothing in relation to the whole Humanity, this species abandoned here without spiritual protectors parents. But.
Excelente vídeo por mostrar real images da embriogenese humana, desde a concepção ao nascimento, é usado por Criacionistas para defender sua teoria de que tais fenômenos só podem serem indicações de que tal complexidfade e maravilhamento só poderia ter sido planejada, desenhada, por uma inteligencia divina. Mas desde as primeiras imagens o mesmo vídeo porderia ser convincvente se feito para defender a teoria da Matrix/DNA. Por exemplo, o fluxo de espermatozóides é igual o fluxo de cometas no espaço sideral do modêlo cosmológico da matrix/DNA, o “oocyte” (ovulo) é igual ao nucleo da galaxia, e tudo o que começa a acontecer dentro do ovo fecundado é igual ao que acontece dentro do vórtice dentro do nucleo galáctico. Logo nos primeiros dias é criado as estensões que serão braços e pernas, o que imita o croquis do circuito sistêmico astronomico que vai depois modelar o sistema inteiro.
Fica portanto no aguardo de uma oportumidade para nós fazer-mos tal vídeo. Por enquanto menciono aqui que o vídeo veio ao meu conhecimento mencionado no seguinte comentário postado em:
NoGoodScienceForYou is here suggesting a video ( /watch?v=HRyXauc0h04) which uses real scientific reality as propaganda for his theory. I think the best education for children is showing the images of reality but, being careful self-watching for not using any kind of concepts related to adult’s interpretations, no imposition of theories. I could make a video with same images having in parallel images of spermatozoons as comets, oocyte as nuclear black holes, etc. This is for philosophy class.
Dawkins, like Darwin, had reduced the Universe into terrestrial events for analyzing biological history. They conclude by evolution and tried to identify its mechanisms. But… a microbe living inside a womb watching the embryogenese of a human fetus should conclude by evolution. We, outside the womb knows that evolution is not the ultimate event, it is “reproduction”. Amplifying our vision to the time/space of universal history leads us to see reproduction of Universes with another mechanisms.
Universe is not magic,he can’t create new information from nothing. So, he only can make a new thing, system, by the same process he was made. He can’t invent from nothing new information for other kind of process. We are a new system, so, if we want to know how the Universe was made, we have the process by which we were made. Our body started with a Big Bang, explosion of spermatozoon from initial singularity. What’s was before our fecundation? Another thing like us, conscious, natural. So?
Living in the jungle I woke up for the salvage chaotic state of this biosphere. All creatures, from any plant to any animal are tortured in this existence. But, then, suddenly we see a beautiful small flower. It seems not belonging to that world. We see a bird nurturing its offspring. We see the tall tree offering flavor fruits. And we see the salvage natives. A mother holding her baby and a male bringing on food to them. This is order lifting up from chaos. This is divine evolution.
Creation plus Evolution is a process much more complex than all guys are thinking here. The deeper template where natural history is established is the history of light light and dark light, ( vibrations popping out of a membrane of nothing that separates different worlds). Matter only is adjusted over this template. Driven by this universal force, biological systems (aka life) evolves in relation to Earth and degenerates in relation to this galactic system. The source of light is creation.
Thanks America! This debate is signal that a collective mind of a whole Nation has the courage to face its inner conflicts, thinking about then, suffering the pain of self-correction,but just it keeps the strong creative power of this great nation. What’s about the European and the Asian religious countries, South America, etc., which already discovered the ultimate “Truth” and has no capacity for fix what is sure wrong? There is no such debate. Yours voluntary suffering here is an heroic act!
What’s beyond the Membrane of Nothing?! The astonished idea coming from Theoretical Science, is Lawrence’s “something from nothing”. Since that Matrix/DNA calculations arrived to the astonishing idea that the seven frequencies of electric-magnetic spectrum of lightwaves are the source that imprints the vital cycle, life, into matter, we are searching the source of this natural light. The unique situation where things emerges is through membranes, then, I think there is a Membrane of Nothing.
NoGoodScienceForYou is here suggesting a video ( /watch?v=HRyXauc0h04) which uses real scientific reality as propaganda for his theory. I think the best education for children is showing the images of reality but, being careful self-watching for not using any kind of concepts related to adult’s interpretations, no imposition of theories. I could make a video with same images having in parallel images of spermatozoons as comets, oocyte as nuclear black holes, etc. This is for philosophy class.
Creationists frequently are using the probability calculus for refuting the odds of evolution and evolutionists are using the same calculus for reinforce the odds produced by chance. Both are wrong. The “individual” evolution of a new being inside a womb is driven by the external environment (human species as the non-intelligent designer) which acts internally (through DNA) and externally. Biological evolution is being driven by an yet unknown external environment, probabilities does not applies.
Creationist woman – “My grandfather was not a monkey!”
Lawrence Krauss – ” Well… yours case is not so clear… ” (maybe a pork?)
Evolutionists could be more intelligent if they explain the real state of Science today. All known facts suggests strongly the physical body of human beings came from primates. But Neurology – the field really expert in this matter – says that it still does not found how neurons produces thoughts and how they are related to human mind. This is hope for dignity
No. Biological Evolution is a point of time/space located at the long chain of causes and effects started with the Big Bang beginning with particles evolution, atomic and Cosmological Evolution. All forces of Biology were there at the last non-biological ancestor, the top pf cosmological evolution and I can show you where. But… we don’t know if the very seen steps of evolution is universal evolution or merely reproduction of universes.
GoodScienceForYou: “Mitochondria in most species has lost over 1200 complete genes”
And you says it is due degeneration from Adam’s DNA. You have a point, you are right. Adam was a closed selfish astronomical system, also called LUCA, his DNA was the formula of Universal Matrix. The decay or Fall of Adam into the microscope shape of biological system due entropy was a change from closed to opened system. Mitochondria tried to close it doing photosynthesis, and got it as cell plants.
About the graphic made at “evolution-is-degeneration dot ComSindex dot asp?PaginaID =1102″
Matrix/DNA:The graphic doesn”t shows a complete period of micro-evolution, nothing about universal evolution. Biological systems are result of the decay of astronomicals systems described by Newtonian mechanics plus Relativity plus Quantum Mechanics theories composing a quasi-perfect closed system, half-alive. This “evolution” has been reproduction of that ancestor
As introduction, they says: evolution theory says all life has started as single cell organisms”
TheMatrixDNA: It is wrong. There is no separation of life and no-life when talking about natural systems. Then, “life” has not started as single cell organisms. Biological systems (aka, “life”) had all principles of its forces, elements and properties inside atomic, astronomical systems, expressed or not. See them at Matrix/DNA models.
Peer reviewed scientific paper shows there hasn’t been enough time in the history of the universe for evolution to take place.
Journal BIO-Complexity, “Time and Information in Evolution,” Winston Ewert, Ann Gauger, William Dembski, and Robert J. Marks, II once again show that a mathematical simulation of evolution doesn’t model biologically realistic processes of Darwinian evolution at all.
This debate between Dembski team and Ewens team will not be solved while Humanity doesn’t know the entire context that affects our biosphere and living things. The existence of biological systems is not due a simultaneous act of magical creation neither a long process obeying natural selection as agent of immediate environmental changes. For instance, the process of Earth nuclear reactions and Sun’s reactions are stronger forces composing NS, any change there means changes here. See Matrix/DNA
Evolution has been destroyed and is now in the level of archaic mythological science. These priests of the past faith based pseudo science will be known for how they retarded biology and any progress towards cures for diseases. They’ll be mocked as they should be.
NOT ONE cure has ever come from the medical industry! We have rampant NEW genetic diseases eating away at us and killing our babies.
The rise in genetic diseases under their watch is horrendous. thanks to this Evodelusionism. LOOK!
The souls of the creators of the Selfish Paradise, Adam and Eve, that remains at Earth in shape of humans, are joined around the creationist world view, has been corrected. These people wants to reproduce at Earth the falling paradise, but they reserves to them the residence at the palace, while all other humans beings should be the slaves. You can see the design of that Paradise at Matrix/DNA Theory: You see Adam and Eve, the serpent, the tree, the apple, the Fall, and you will know the truth
I’m very glad to hear that you got saved. I certainly agree that the effects of Evolutionist propaganda are tragic. We need to fight for what’s true, but I don’t think comments on a YouTube video are exactly the frontlines I’m looking for.
(For Evolutionists reading this comment: yes, spreading Evolutionism is only tragic from my Creationist viewpoint.)
The effects of Judaism and its Bible and its production as Christianism approving human slavery, sharing Humanity into predators and preys, and as Islam, the violence that never ends, are most tragic. You are a bad human when propagating that anti-Humanity book. It is rational to suppose that there is some thing as God, but one needs never forgetting the size of this Universe, then, giving to a “possible God” his real dimensions above the Universe. The bible stupidly reduces Reason and God
The earliest writings on that subject come from the satanist Helena Blavatsky. She was busted several times scamming people and making up history. I take it you believe in her channeled demonic writings or one of the copycat offshoots like Zeitgeist the movie. The history lesion in Zeitgeist comes from Blavatsky’s imagination.
Yeahh… Blavatsky, a woman that challenged the Russian status quo established by imperators supported by arm and religion, a woman that abandoned a powerful Russian military husband, for travelling alone to Tibet searching other kind of knowledge. Was she a satanist? You, as supporter of an established power ruling at Vatican, unable to challenge the status quo, that had enslaved populations inside industries, is a saint? I prefer Blavatsky.
I have thought that the Earth is an amusement park. Where beings come, inhabit us and share our life experiences, feelings, etc. I’m not sure if the science fiction story has been written or not..
Your thought maybe is right, but, it includes the supposition that should have a parallel spiritual Universe, is it right? If so, I remember that there is no evidence/comparative parameters here for parallels universes and spiritual existences. Why not thinking that those beings that come, inhabit us, are really bubbles of consciousnesses that pops out of this planetary matter? Think about computers: software (as bubbles of intelligence) and hardware (material living bodies) in feed-back.
I think it is not “my philosophy” because it is a normal natural effect given some circumstances. Any one, included you, should get the same world vision if – known the modern scientific data and with single scientific tools – go to live in some virgin jungle by 4 or 7 years. It is the jungle that produces this philosophy over modern hard-wired brain by scholar education. But Darwin took 30 years for written a book, the jungle is big, there are lots of data, I need doing lots of work yet.
There is no evolution. There is no evidence for it. Not one species had evolved more complexity. You are a liar and are part of the denial of humans and their compulsions that destroy not only human lives but all life on earth. Putting your faith in humans has never worked. Why are you so stupid you want to thing now is different. They have killed so many people in the name of some idea.
Maybe you are right. Maybe there is no evolution inside this Universe. Millions of generations of hypothetical intelligent particles living 17 seconds each one and inside a fecundated ovum should watch the steps of evolution from single zygote to a human embryo believing that was watching evolution. We, outside their “universe” knows that it is “reproduction”. Maybe we are watching and working the reproduction of the son of some god. But… for while, we are watching evolution, that’s reality.
Changing the faith in humans for faith in supernatural ghosts produces the preys (95% of world population?) and hating humans by loving the salvage past animalism inheritance produces predators (the 1%?). Why human beings has followed these stupid millennial social models, shared into salvage capitalism, salvage communism, etc? It is the work of the “serpent” that convinced “Eve” in the “Paradise”. It is the stupid universal material tendency to be extreme selfish closed system. Not humanism…
“There are millions of single celled species that never evolved into multicellular organisms.” Exactly and that means there is no evidence of any form of advancement from a single cell to 2 cells with the new cells performing new functions. Thanks.
Don’t you know embryogenesis?! Fecundation, zygote, meiosis, morula…etc? You need learn something new, but for doing it, you need change your magic supernatural ghost creator in the sky by the real, natural, creator in the sky. Functions comes in two types: the systemic function (which is the effect over the external world from the projection of the shape of the whole system) and internal systemic function, which is related to each part of a system. There are different expressions of (cont.)
of internal functions and each system has its tendency expressed by the most strong expressed part. Any bit of external change makes changes at internal expressions. The interactions between internal parts creates infinite numbers of internal functions, called “fuzzy logic”. The initial process of eukaryotes merely replicating its cells is the first phase of biological evolution mimicking the process by which stars, galaxies are replicated, by self-recycling (see Matrix/DNA models)
“I want you to find one positive mutation ever found in the human genome.”
The Matrix/DNA models explains how and why the genome is continually mutated. The fundamental unit of information which is the building block of RNA/DNA is a bi-lateral pair of nucleotides, which is the biological microscopic counterpart of the building block that came evolving from quantum vortexes after Big Bang, to atoms to galaxies. This universal “matrix” diversifies into infinite different kinds of nucleotides
Medical science is going away off the beam due Biology being seen as separated from Physics. It’s the same that one try to understand the existence of human body composed by flesh organs and substance without the skeleton and nervous systems which are related to the entity of natural systems. They had separated Universal Evolution into two blocks, with no evolutionary links between them. The abysmal hole created between two blocks are being fulfilled with the myth of absolute randomness.
I use evidence and the DNA is fantastic evidence for only DE-EVOLUTION.. All creatures are losing gene functions and we can easily see this in the DNA. Fossilization is not rare. We have samples of over 200 million fossils from most creatures that have ever lived. WE have 88% of the non bird, NOW LIVING, vertebrates as fossils and the original looks FAR more fit than what we see now. Go look! You cannot use faith and belief!!
This has to be the dumbest argument for evolution of all of them.
The famous laryngeal nerve “evidence”. If the path of this nerve is not optimal then God is a screw up.
The fact that “evolution” only leads to screw ups from the original far more fit condition means that the laryngeal nerve is evidence for genetic dysfunctions of original “engineering” when the nerve was in a much shorter path at one time and “Evotards” still don’t fully know the purpose of this nerve.
We know. The purpose of this nerve is transforming chemical operations for connections between organism’s organs into sounds waves (voice) for connecting separated brains into a whole Humanist system. When you need transformations of signal waves you need apply quantum superposition and following separation. Then, the left and right nerves superposed makes the complete circuit of an established system, and when are separated they can be turned into a new different system. But…this is complex
In the first paragraph they clearly define “anti-evolution” or loss of good genetic engineering as the creatures “degrade” from the more “optimal” to the “suboptimal”.
This is the MOST compelling evidence for anti-evolution or gradual degrading of the best genetic engineering to the more defective genetic engineering we see today that I have ever seen and that we can see today.
The problem is that yours “more optimal” is good for stupid monkeys, but unsupportable for who has some intelligence. Yours optimal is called “Adam’s DNA”, a creature that was living like a stupid monkey eternally at a garden full of animals and plants. Any intelligent being would prefer the suicide, if they think that would be condemned to that life by all eternity. Thankfully had the Fall, the “Adam” genetic degradation, even that we were condemned to beginning as microscope cell here
The famous The Left Recurrent Laryngeal Nerve is totally evidence for genetic degradation. These people are “nuts” by the way in not being able to see the obvious, because they are brainwashed into seeing things BACKWARDS.
You are still blind to the deeper secrets of Nature Why the left RLN os different from the right RLN? This question makes no sense, there is no right and left nerves, there is a complete circuit of a system, separated into two slices. Make the superposition of those two nerves… you gets a complete circle. Why they makes a circle and why the left has several branches? Well… see the Matrix/DNA formula for natural systems, you will understand everything. No degradation
There are only a very few amino acids available to make living tissue from, so OF COURSE it will be used in different creatures to make similar body parts.
Look at the amino acids chart and tell me how many do you see? (20)
We live on a tiny finite little planet with fixed resources.
We do not have infinite resources to build body tissue from.
Drive your eyes down to look to those 20 aminoacids and now drive yours eyes up to see the galaxy, the Universe, that produced them. Ask “why”, “how”, “for what”? Do you see the evolution of aminoacids? First step: Carbon is called by Nature to be the central atom. Why? Because Nature has several different faces, states, and our astronomical system was standing at the specific state as closed perfect natural system. Which is composed by six universal functions. Just carbon atomic number. So on..
“protein functional redundancy… our tiny finite little planet with fixed resources.”
This doesn’t means that life was tunelled due intelligent design. Proteins are slices of a kind of complete systemic circuit – the system around us – so the slices are limited in number. Planets has limited variations, resources, because limited is the specific state of Nature that produced them. But biological systems (aka, “life”) are just a rebellion against the creator system, so, open for mutations
It is ridiculous crap “pseudo science” and a stretch of the imagination.
It goes along with the idea that fools think that any similarity of use, appearance can only mean a direct genetic linage link.
This is utterly ridiculous and in fact all that we have seen of this idea in fossils of the “ancient version” of the creature are shown to have far more usable features and the “homology” becomes more complex as you go back in time.
I was “informed ” yesterday that Darwin was wrong in places and so they changed it to whatever the heck they wanted.Even when I said Thats what I was taught in school they said I was wrong…and that was only 35 years ago.So arguing “evolution ” is pointless, as they now believe SOMETHING else.Bit sad really.They dispute their own “simple to complex” .. if youcan believe that…apparently it goes BOTH ways now….very sad.
While Naturalists are struggling trying to understand this world, trying to discover mechanisms and processes that can be transformed into technology for increasing Humanity power, spiritualists are criticizing them, being obstacles to their job?! No spirits and supernatural beings has made anything good for human kind till now and still 95% of our brothers in species are being tortured in this stupid conditions of life. Evolution is the idea that arose from a man that sacrificed his life for us
I was “informed ” yesterday that Darwin was wrong in places and so they changed it to whatever the heck they wanted.Even when I said Thats what I was taught in school they said I was wrong…and that was only 35 years ago.So arguing “evolution ” is pointless, as they now believe SOMETHING else.Bit sad really.They dispute their own “simple to complex” .. if youcan believe that…apparently it goes BOTH ways now….very sad.
That’s the cause we agnostics prefers the naturalist/rationalist community than the religious community. Our life experience as humans at Earth have been too much bad, our dream is to change everything. The naturalists woks in rhythm of changes, while creationists are conservationist of this stupid “status quo”, so, they are obstacles and unuseful.
Even the “father” of evolution mentioned sripulations under which evolution could not be true. Those stipulations were met. Darwin discredited evolution in his own words. But you all havent actually taken any time to study it, you just assume blindly.
Why aren’t you honesty and respectful enough? If you want to destroy the worldvision of a man due you think it has bad effects, what you should do? Repeat his experiments, contest his evidences. Take a ship and go by 4 years facing the hell in a salvage world, do observations by yourself, applying the modern knowledge, show what was wrong with Darwin idea. Or do you want to refute such sacrificial heroic job standing under air conditioned? Taking Reason off Nature by magical thinking is easier
Christianity is a theory by the real definition of “theory” by the Greeks that coined the word. It is not a theory by scientific definition, but here is not a scientific community congress, it is a public debate. Theory is “a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking”- Wikipedia. Christianism is product of earlier human consciousnesses recently formed as any modern baby impregnates its surroundings with magics and ghosts friends.
Both can not equating at the same plane as the operations of a baby brain (Bible authors) is not the operations of a teenager brain (Darwin). All big religious theories were built from an unique source: the real little world seen by an infant intelligence plus flashes of memories popping up in the baby brain about a not seen but lived womb’s world. Ancient founders of all religions were visionaries (embryos) that had real visions about the womb were our ancestors shapes lived: the Cosmos.
You will not believe in my narrative as I don’t believe in it, I am still searching a better explanation as skeptical that I am. The narrative is: a native xaman living in Amazon jungle 30 years ago, with altered state of mind due their beverages, described visions of black holes and cosmogony identical to descriptions of black holes and cosmogony seen at Blavatsky books about “The Secret Doctrine”, or “theosophy” made by ancient eastern 5.000 years ago. I have a theory about: same baby brains
Yes, Christianity is not rational in the sense that Reason must be a natural product of nature. But… the non-rational productions of Bible’s authors can be rationally understood, using an analogy: the excessive installations of an industry is used to produce different sub-products. My theory is that the fusion of Chrom-2 suddenly produced an abrupt augment of cerebral mass beyond the normal installation that should be produced by the normal evolutionary chain. Earlier hominids had imaginations
I an sorry that I am not finding now a recently published paper showing that human fetus suddenly produces neurons twice more fast than apes/monkeys fetus. I think it is a good evidence for this theory about the development of consciousness at the level of the human species, when I separated the stages of its evolution between babies/teenagers/adults shapes. But… why still there are people that believes in the Bible, which was a baby’s minded production? Missing education, denial to be adult?
I honestly don’t know what to think. The idea that there’s a guy upstairs pulling all the strings sounds silly, and completely illogical, yet for macro-evolution contradicts itself in more ways than one.
While it makes absolutely no sense how or why we’d choose to go back to primal technology after conquering the galaxy, the only thing I’m truly comfortable with is that we developed on another distant planet and migrated to earth.
Yes, makes no sense the idea of some intelligent powerful being responsible by this chaotic biosphere and the struggle for species to become powerful. And makes no sense that an intelligence in shape of quasi-apes after conquering galaxies with high technology arrived here forgetting all that technology. The unique explanation that makes sense to me is Matrix/DNA Theory. Intelligence was merely potential at ancestors that were, themselves, the building block of any shape of natural systems.
Biological evolution is merely a micro-evolutionary cycle which must be added to lots of others micro-cycles and finally composing the Universal Evolution, from the extreme singularity resumed to a central point towards complexity expanded to astronomical size. How should you call the period of evolution that goes from yours body shape as teenager until the final shape of adult? As biological systems we are one transitional shape of a universal system that evolves by vital cycle process.
Things does not change by themselves from simple to complicated, this should be creating new information from nothing, by magics. But there are things like atomic, astronomic, biological systems that changes from simple to complex, at individual and populations levels. Individual occurs at embryogenesis, a body transforming from extreme singularity to complex. The mystery is that this world has a hierarchy of systems and you are not seeing the system the informations are coming from.
Panspermia only transfers the question how biological systems arose, from Earth to other astronomical body. The natural elements and informations for transforming non-organic into organic and electric-magnetic-mechanical systems into biological systems does not arises by magics or absolutely randomness. Those necessary and enough for building biologicals must come from a stellar system described by Newtonian mechanics turned into half-biological galaxy, as described by Matrix/DNA Theory.
@”Panspermia only transfers the question how biological systems arose, from Earth to other astronomical body”
And there you have it, folks.
You see this, soullessdeity?
Even matrixdna, world-class expert at butchering logic, reason and lucidity, not only completely understands the inherent conflict contained in your ridiculous statement, but can even state it on a level that approaches eloquence.
That alone should have you burying your head in utter shame.
I don’t understand why posts like yours are being flagged as spam. You, as everybody, has the right to express opinions, we are debating theories, one can read or ignore what he/she doesn’t like. This is not honesty. About logic I do my best advocating the logics that I learned from nude. virgin, salvage Nature living 7 years at Amazon jungle were was elaborated Matrix/DNA worldvision. Conflicts with modern scholar logic is an issue to be solved by time, not by us. Who is away off the beam?
Look! There are trees. Someone must have designed them. See? Tree elves are real and great designers engineering trees for everyone. How else did trees get here, if not by the mysterious powers of the chief tree elf?
Yes, trees were designed. Genetically, by transmission of “Matrix/DNA” from their creators…living in the sky. Trees are the same image of galaxies.The trunk represents the central nuclear axis. The branches are the galaxy’s arms. The leaves are the planets. The yellow fruits pending on the arms are the stars. The plant cell is the biological tendency to reproduce the closed astronomical system with chloroplasts making photosynthesis linking the cell to the star, which is an evolution-stopper.
Question: why can’t humans create a self replicating machine? We can’t even create a machine that can eat breakfast. Intelligent designing humans can’t come close to the technology, complexity, efficiency, eloquence, etc of any type of life. Why would random chance processes be better able to produce life (even when the laws of physics, entropy, are against their natural creation?). I’m interested in an intelligent response! Do you have one?
“Machine” and “life” are cultural symbols used for describing real states and details of Nature. We learn mechanisms, processes existing at Nature and we see matter organized as working systems. Our technology is mimicking natural phenomena, sometimes applying fuzzy logics, mixing mechanisms and materials from different phenomena and producing new arrangements. We produces “machines” because our limited sensors and brain capability see only mechanical and biological aspects of natural systems.
If you want to debate your theory about this yet unknown world first of all you need be honest and a method. You post this exactly post here yesterday, got several answers, now answers that answers.
Could you elaborate this information? Are you referring to synthetic molecules, like those from Craig Venter? Matrix/DNA is researching the extensive already published papers related to NASA research of self-replicating robots, but any additional information about other sectors will be welcome.
NASA has a sector dedicated to study self-replicating machines. The goal is sending robots like Curiosity to other astronomical bodies, self-replicating robots that could use the matter of those bodies for populating the astro, maybe extracting some valorous mineral, etc. I am preparing a descriptive suggestion because the Matrix/DNA models arrive to a theoretical formula, a software’s diagram about a natural self-replicating machine. It is about the Newtonian mechanics aspect of systems
The same question would have been asked as to why humans can’t get to the moon a hundred years ago. Not only have we done that, but we’re getting closer to building a self replicating machine.
Also, technically, we absolutely can create a self replicating creature that eats. We can create some that are even capable of learning on a fundamental level. Programmers have done that for quite some time. It’s limited to another, simulated universe. Technically, those programmers could be gods.
This issue is good food for thought. Nature makes self-replicating machines: a stellar system (working with the principles of Newtonian mechanics) degenerates, decomposes, its dust composes again as a new stellar system. But this process is self-recycling, when the original machine needs “dying” and its matter be used for a new one. Suppose that we could insert a software inside each atom of Curiosity and when the robot become oldest, we keep it at same place, the atoms would joining again…
Then why doesn’t 1 human have at least 1 wing growing out of their back. The fly did it, w/ less of a need to fly, than we have. They can walk around all day and find poop. That is their life “poop”, poop is on the ground, they do not need wings.
Joe, the causes are deeper than we think. Wings can be a result of personal effort (anfibians jumps) or can be imposed into a specie by informations flowing in this environment. Wings are specific shapes of accessories developed from cellular cilia which was produced by a universal systemic function number 5. This same function produced the tails of comets for realizing an operation. Here, the system that built biosphere was in need of something being the transporter of pollen. It was imposed
@tsub0dai “humans are far more diverse as a species than any individual person”
The population of human species is comprised of individuals. Theoretically, one individual from today’s human population could be compared to one individual, Adam, in the creation model for genetic diversity. The quagga is an example of selective breeding (artificial selection) used to restore lost genetic information to a few individuals. Natural selection works oppositely toward genetic entropy, i.e. loss.
Yes, Adam/Eve were/is the most perfect genome possible to be made by Nature. Their genome was the formula for building their bodies, which was a closed non-minded system, merely extension of their genome. You can see their “photo” published by Matrix/DNA theory. Natural Selection worked oppositely to their tendencies, entropy causing the big Fall. As microscopic biological systems, the offspring of Adam/Eve lifted up at planets, as opened systems. The sinner father in the sky is driven NS now.
The land of militant Evotards who constantly give me death threats:
Austrailia: “The incidence rate for all cancers combined increased by 27% from 383 cases per 100,000 people in 1982 to 485 cases per 100,000 people in 2007.”
This is the highest rise in cancer of all the social liberal states I have found 127% rise in cancer in 25 years.
Cancer is only caused by genetic defects according to 449087 peer medical papers on PubMed, the international library of genetic diseases.
Yes, cancer is an issue that needs urgent attentions. If you see the picture at my website tipping “The Cycle Of Cholesterol And The Matrix” you will know a new approach for understanding diseases. We have the formula for perfect systems, any disease is dysfunction of that formula. My problem is that I am alone doing this, have no time and resources. I did only fast research about bad cholesterol, Alzheimer. For analyzing cancer under Matrix models is necessary reading lots of informations.
Germany, with militant socialists liberalism has 7.5 million functionally illiterate adults out of a population of 81.7 million.
That is a great sign of how well that works. Germany used to be the country where science and engineering prevailed and German engineering was well known. Now 9% of the population can’t read or write. They are setting up programs to educate people who have already been through the school system
I think this is normal result from WW2: generations of people went to hard work instead schools. But this is also a suggestion that Matrix/DNA models are right. They are suggesting a different kind of targets for the Science enterprise, producing a different kind of technology, medicine, human habitat, different design for urban life. Different from that produced by Germany, whose unconscious target was driven to be a kind of Brave New World ruled by the Big Brother, mimicking insects societies
OUR DNA closely maps out our history of self destruction. Its clear that we have been destroying our genome for a long time and it shows in the huge numbers of deaths directly due to genetic diseases, 30.4 million is less than half of the real number each year. Considering that we created all the viral fungal and bacterial infections by our stupid actions that kill us from infections.
We seem to have become animals with sexual compulsions owning us completely, never aware of what that is doing
The building blocks of DNA, bi-lateral pair of nucleotides, are diversified copies of a unique system. each copy expresses a particular particle, a specific function, different of all others. These copies self-assembly themselves, free in biosphere and cell environment. Some kind of biological behavior selects among these copies which will be increased in their genomes. But the constructors of these copies does not want us as biological minded creatures, they want pieces for a natural machine.
We now have the all time record of childhood congenital disease rates and at astonishing accelleration. 120% rise in Autism in 2 years! 1 in 88 diagnosed by 8 year old. 1 in 125 babies born with congenital heart disease. A rise of 135% in childhood invasive cancer in 34 years. 200% rise in 10 years of STD’s affecting 1 in 4 and young fertile girls have the highest rates. Evolution is a denial mechanism that supports this genetic suicide. “evolutionforum.info”
I should leave these statistics for atheists answering them. But, my personal technique is searching causes based on Matrix/DNA models. They suggests that degradation of humans genetics and bodies is the predicted results from this biosphere evolution. This biosphere was produced by chaos through fragments coming from the decay of a ordered half-mechanical/half-biological system. The action of these fragments is to reproduce the machine, humans must be pieces, so, it is fixing our genome.
History’s shown from the dark ages; the advent of many diseases that nearly wiped out humans, like the plague , wiping out 1/2 the population of Europe; resulted in extreme political measures, using the state religion, Gods authority, to stop diseases. Prison time public whipping, death to homos & anyone who had sex outside of a virgin marriage was a criminal period. It took a lot of suffering to learn to stop killing families children mothers fathers. Used to use a sharp pole for punishment.
I had no time yet for analyzing those plagues based upon Matrix models, but these models suggestions about the origins of viruses also suggests that diseases caused by them are produced by specific psychological states – individual or collective. Viruses are organic constructs from Matrix/DNA genetic code – which exists inside living beings and flowing in the environment – produced by universal function number 5. So, those plagues were produced by specific state of mind, which were religious.
33% of people ages 15 to 64 will die from cancer in the USA. Source CDC. Childhood invasive cancer in the US has risen by 135%;34 years. STD’s in the US up 200% in 10 years with the highest rates: young women ages 14 to 24.
It seems that also the fastest growing religion is atheism.
It turns out that Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, homos, sex addicts, socialist liberals, communists, politicians, prostitutes (no kidding) and scientists. What a group of people to model after. Eh?
It is just the opposite. This degradation of human bodies is the corolary of millenniums of religious thought ruling societies with wrong social systems, wrong technology and wrong science. Religion is a minded-stopper, it separates men from its Nature for alliance with supernatural. Then, the whole body is driven not by the intellect, but by the laws of atoms composing the body. These atoms are matter which supreme tendency is closed inertial equilibrium. We got it, but Nature is responding.
A good sample is the biggest religions of the planet, the Asian religions, which supreme goal is the search for personal equilibrium and nirvana. We have a model of a natural system just in this exactly state: the building block of astronomical systems, our ancestor since 10 billion years ago. It is a closed system into itself, cutting relations with the whole natural world, a self-constructed paradise, where the two aspects of matter, mass and energy got its targets. Extreme selfishness.
These building blocks grew and built galaxies. Its shape is like a perfect machine, a perpetuum motor, self-recycling. The Universe was populated by them. But, above galaxies are forces like the Clausius Law, which produces degradation, measured by entropy and the pretense eternity falls down. Today the Universe is composed by their fossils, ours ancestors. Meanwhile, consciousness was sleeping at galaxies, woke up in shape of animals and lifted up as humans. Religious aret repeating the sin
@”But, above galaxies are forces like the Clausius Law, which produces degradation…”
First off, it doesn’t produce degradation. It simply states that isolated systems will always achieve maximum entropy, manifested as thermal equilibrium. This is the ultimate destiny of our universe.
Secondly, galaxies aren’t isolated systems within the context of “the universe”.
Are you based on Thermodynamic Theory for systems? First of all, those theorists never knew how and what is a perfect closed system. It is built by any lightwaves invading inertial mass and modeling matter accordingly to its seven different frequencies of vibrations, from gamma-ray to radio. Entropy is the name of unit of measurement, not the sate itself. Degradation is not loosing quantities of energy/mass, is fragments escaping from the circuit flow and diminishing the quality of closed system
EVOLUTION is a fairytale for grown-ups, complete with its abiogenetic virgin birth, apes that talk and tell lies, “survival of the fittest “moral code, The prophet called Charlie, a magical process that’s never been observed while its happening, cows that tried to walk on water but became whales, a story about how a primordial soup made a chef.
Almost equal to the collection of fairytale in the Bible, eh? The big difference is that Charlie really sacrificed his best years abandoning a good life in London for facing the hell of the salvage world, observing facts for building conclusions, while the prophets of Bible forgot the real facts of nature and jumped to imaginary conclusions. Any other man that go back to the salvage world with the modern scientific knowledge will find models that solves all problems pointed by you, rationally
No, DNA proves that he has all informations for doing all species at Earth. DNA proves to aliens that there are diversification of species at Earth. It does not prove Evolution, it merely suggests that evolution is possible.
I’m sorry, but last time I checked, not matter what you believe, there’s only so much evidence, and at some point you have to go on faith. Tell me again how evolution is a fact?
DNA proves for a microbe as observer located inside the womb and watching the progress of a fetus that he is seeing evolution. As observers outside the womb, we know that it is reproduction. This Universe is a cosmic egg – or is an agglomerated of bodies still alive or of died fossils (galaxies) – where is occurring a normal natural process of reproduction. And we – like all conscious living beings at millions of other planets – are the minded “genes” making the embryo for the final Big Birth
@van der Meer “[Creationists] provide an answer, just not the correct one”
Considering that scientific theories are only temporal and never absolute (e.g. Newton’s gravitation theory was replaced by Einstein’s general theory of relativity), how do you know what the “correct” answer is concerning man’s origin? Modern-day scientists admit that they don’t know how life began nor has anyone ever created an artificial environment that facilitates the spontaneous generation of life from non-life.
Newton’s theory was not replaced by Einstein’s theory because they were dealing with different dimensions of time/space. Newton’s theory is for Einstein’s the same that atoms are for cells, it means, the new arrangement of atoms inside a cell changes their behaviors and functions. Newton was dealing with mechanics at stellar system level which is an mechanic arrangement like a watch – but Einstein was dealing with galaxies which is half-mechanical/half-biological acting over stellar systems
We don’t know man’s origins in relation to human mind/brain, which could have aggregated new informations coming from a superior natural system located at a superior level of complexity in relation to the total systemic environment (Milk Way) that supplied informations for man’s body, about which we have the most strong evidences that came from primates. For creating biological systems from the evolutionary top of non-biological systems we need more knowledge about natural light, it is the code
I would hardly think the lack of 100% confirmed theory in the branches of science would drive children into the wrong path, most depending on age wouldn’t grasp the Matrix /DNA theory anyway ,and most likely be taught at the college level.. Where as religion prefers to brainwash children at a young age before their logical abilities are fully developed and are still easy prey to mythical fairy tale stories and fear of invisible boogie men and good fairies …
You are right, religion has not worked for improving human existence, so, they are not the solution, our futures generations needs search other alternatives, while the empirical scientifically proved facts must be known. The observation of fossil record and another known facts strongly suggests that there is a natural process from simplest to complexity, which is called “evolution” But this process happens at universal macro scale, unknown, so biological evolution is a non-complete theory.
@NuggetKazooie “negative factors you described wouldn’t apply to the other populations”
Then you get a net positive. Even very small positives soon leads to huge numbers & small negatives quickly lead to extinction.
“Human evolution thus appears like an hourglass, with a narrowing population of Homo erectus leading to possibly one single mutant, whose improved genes emerged into a new era of unprecedented progress. The transformation from failure to success is startling.” Alan F. Alford
Not true. Alan F. Alford is not an reliable witness–His first book Gods of the New Millennium (1996) drew on the ancient astronaut theory of Zecharia Sitchin
@Martin Koch “Alan F Alford is not an reliable witness”
“however, he admitted to serious faults in his use of Sitchin’s theory and proposed an alternative, cataclysm theory of ancient myth: “I am now firmly of the opinion… the descent of the gods was a poetic rendition of the cataclysm myth…” wiki
Alan Alford is thus a “hostile witness” for creationism. Too bad he was forced to consider what he thought was a better mechanism than TOE.
Do “reliable witnesses” only have your same viewpoint?
“Human evolution thus appears like an hourglass,…”
But his observation above is known, being the human genes emerged by evolution or by other unknown source. Alford almost touched the deeper secret of Nature and the deeper source for religious myths. In fact happened a cataclysmic event and the descent of gods as source for human genes. But this cataclysm was not the Noah’s flood neither the explosion of Nibiru, Matrix/DNA suggests other kind of “cataclysm” and descent “gods”
Yes, that is what Matrix models are suggesting: no aliens, ancient or otherwise. We need to remember the initial state of this biosphere and the jungle is the best witness still existing about the life’s origins. It indicates that this biosphere is product of chaos. Chaos is product of cataclysm that happens on ordered environments. The environment existing before biosphere’s origins was made of atomic and astronomical systems. So, there was the Newtonian machine and ours ancestors, the “gods”
The Matrix model still is a theory explaining this worlds’ existence, under tests facing real proved facts. It is a natural formula used by Nature for assembling matter into systems, like atoms, galaxies, trees, humans, cells, etc. This formula is under evolution since the Big Bang ( initially the Matrix was shared by billions of vortexes as bits-information or ex-machine quantum genes) and here the formula is resumed into a base-pair of nucleotides, the building blocks of DNA. Theories…
Only when Science as real knowledge of real facts is used by someone that did the mental exercise for connecting the facts, got a big picture, and teach to children that his picture is Science. Since we for sure don’t have all facts ( maybe neither 30% of all facts of this Universe) any big picture will be product of imagination, then, should be taught as theory. Any big picture (as Matrix/DNA Theory) now will be a driven into wrong pathway for children or a closer mind
I agree and I will talk to kids about ToE, ID, panspermia, Matrix/DNA, etc., mentioning that I don’t know which theory is more appropriated and my personal thought has indicated that there is a natural process of transformation that have increased complexity. But, all these theories must be taught in a Philosophy class, not Science class. Science only inform about real known facts, has no conclusions. The most important thing is to be certified that kids will be opened minds, free for choices
That’s funny. You make me remembering when Morelli was in Amazon jungle and elaborated the Matrix/DNA Theory. He saw lots of snakes in his pathway, they were static waiting any attack for expelling their venom. Louis usually touched them with a long piece of wood, and the snake bites the wood, before going away. Here in Internet, we find snakes in needs of expelling poison of their souls and any comments contrary to their beliefs works as the wood branch. Funny is that Interned is enough long
@khoraski ok fine, give me a proven testable hypothesis, just like every single real scientific thory must do, and we will start calling creationism scientific.
You have a testable hypothesis. The Last Universal Common Ancestor – LUCA – of all living systems, is pictured in a intelligible astronomical model that’s testable. Taking out LUCA from Earth and out of abiogenesis, putting LUCA in the sky, all tools of a cells system can be reduced to the astonishing singularity of LUCA. Broken LUCA into small pieces, you have as result all living species seen at earth. But, LUCA was found coming from before the Big Bang, its origins is unknown.
Ok, they you think you have the right for taking the word “theory” from the ancient Greeks that coined the word and give a new definition. No, my friend, the modern schools are not the owner of this world, they applied the wrong word to jobs resulting from a specific method of connecting real data, which method can be wrong. The Matrix?DNA Theory is a theory in the strictly sense obeying the right of its creators.
The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.
All anyone has to do is see an animal react to noise or movement in the woods and watch it assume something is there, something invisible to be wary of. Some unusual invisible force that must be respected and scared of, and how easily this assumption can be extrapolated into an all mighty invisible being at the cause of all things unknown by sentient beings. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
Sentient animals put a face to phenomena – the evolution of the ‘god’ concept. All anyone has to do is see an animal react to noise or movement in the woods and watch it Assume something is there, something invisible to be wary of. Some unusual invisible force that must be respected and scared of, and how easily this Assumption, this Instinct can be extrapolated into an all mighty invisible being at the cause of all things unknown by sentient beings. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
That’s your big mistake! yes, primates and all animals worships real things which symbolizes divinity. Primates, dogs, worship caves. black caves, they do holes in the soil, because in their brains are flashing images of black holes, which is encrypted into DNA. Flies worship any lighting lamp, because their atoms is a scene of electrons worshiping the luminous proton. Bees and ants worships the model of astronomical closed system and indeed, they built social system as the real copy.
The idea of Evolution is better than the biblical creationism because evolution leaves the mind as opened door to grow by itself, while creationism having all answers closes that door. But, like creationism have being used by mafias, groups, like the ancient Jews killing other tribes authorized by their god – if evolution is taught as blind, by random, with any purpose, it is a closing door also and can be used by mafias, dictators, etc. Matrix/DNA saw an evolution purpose: Humans Trancendence
Evolutionism, as described by Modern Synthesis, is the modern religion, in opposition to deism described by Bible. MS says “natural selection is a logical process, non random selection of mutations”, but MS says “this occurs partly because random mutations.” Then, NS is a occurred random process because its motor, its productor, is randomness. Like God does for creationists, NS fits all gaps for atheists. We don’t know scientifically why evolutionary mutations happened. Theories are welcome
Where the idea of a talking snake in the Garden comes from?
A perfect closed system is the supreme goal of any material being. Such system must have eternal thermodynamic equilibrium for mass(particles) and eternal frenetic motion for energy (waves). This goal was reached when matter built galaxies. In this system you see its channel through which runs the flow of particles/waves. It seems a spiraling serpent swelling its own tail. The serpent is the message of extreme selfishness. Got it?
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The fact that the theory of evolution threatens the existence of God is ludicrous. The Bible (or whatever holy book you use) is full of parables for our understanding. Just because EVERYTHING isn’t explained doesn’t make it any less true. Go with your heart, think with your mind, and things just work out. Zero data for or against God. It’s purely up to the individual.
Parables can be good for enforcing moral values, but they need be constantly replaced by parables about real situations here and now and cleaned from imaginations about metaphysics, which, we are sure, are not affecting events here and now. Human beings flesh and bones are composed by atoms and the forces of atoms try to driven the whole towards eternal thermodynamic equilibrium, accommodating in any state that maintains “survival”. The belief in God fits this tendency, it is motion-stopper
Kr0n1k4Lyfe (Creationist) = “The real fallacy are the theories Atheists attempt to come up with to fill in the gaps of a complex Universe they don’t understand”
ExtantFrodo2 ( Atheist) = “Was it making humans the established goal of the universe? We are here quite unintentionally”
Matrix/DNA (Agnostic) = “There is no enough data for understanding the existence of this world. Filling the gaps with magical gods makes no sense. Microbes inside a womb says the fetus is there unintentionally.(?!)
Yes, indeed they existed. I am challenging you to do this: Try to make a cosmological model containing all properties of life in it. For sure this must be the right model, because this stupid matter of Earth could not creating properties from nothing. Matrix/DNA model is showing that those symbols used in Bible were real, but used as metaphors for describing the state of the world before life’s origins. Why these symbols are in the Bible? Because past history was inside ancient fresh memories
I have a job my friend, about 50 or 60 hours a week, doing the hard work for producing what I am consuming and something else for helping those that can’t do it. My secret is that I don’t waste time with anything else than working with hands and my intellect, all in name of our EVOLUTION
A fruitcake that survived seven years alone in Amazon jungle, facing all dangers? Ask it to those big beasts or smalls vibes that faced me. Or go to read a book existing in Brasil, called, “Os Guerreiros do Arco-Iris” ( The Fighters of the Rainbow) which is a documentary wrote by a journalist telling the real history of Amazon gold mines and see my name there, six times, facing gangs under weapons and heavy shootings. That’s why I am of nobody, except myself and my world view
What do you think? A real materialistic, realist mind that does not is a traitor of his mother nature never permits any kind of drugs taking control of self. No, I think that drunk are you and everybody that were nurtured artificially over this layer of black asphalt and could cement that causes the eclipse of our natural soil. You see fecundation and think it is big bangs, you see normal vortexes forming from dust of died stars and think they are ghosts black holes…you are drunk, not me.
A non flat earth, the sun as the center of this system, were considered incoherence once time. Give time to time and we will know who is the incoherent here…
Yes, time has anything to do with closed minds. You are a provisional shape of evolution, going to a more evolved shape, but you are working as an evolution-stopper because you think that your little brain and your condition as a microbe in this Universe are enough for grasping the final truth, of there is one. What’s delusion!
He said that because he did not know what we know today, and he has not thought as we have thought. For instance he never noticed that Nature applies the mechanism of nanotechnology and its opposite movement, giantology, here and now, facing our eyes: Nature resumes a human body, 150 pounds and 2 meters long, inside a microscope chromosome. She did it when resumed an entire astronomical system into a base-pair of nucleotides. The forces for life are all there, because life was there.
That’s for those that are blind of one eye and see only a half part of the entire Nature. They see only the Nature surrounding us, which is product of chaos, they can’t see the other half, the ordered harmony of the Cosmos above us. The invisible Nature is expressed by the Sun: a star that is busy feeding whit her energy and protecting, enchanting, under her astronomical gravitational wings, her babies planets, who plays and dance around her. This real world loves his babies, that’s my cult, Tom
That’s because they did not understand what is “life” and does not know what produced it. They see evolution as any microbe inside an egg watch the evolution from blastula to fetus to embryo and think is watching evolution, when, in fact they are seeing a merely event of reproduction. They need to know the blastula shape of this cosmic egg ( the aglomerates of galaxies) that was here before the fetus formation ( the cell system) and to know the Matrix ( the DNA) that exists inside the blastula
Who caused the universe to form from the residue of the Big Bang created when he created matter and anti-matter from nothing and allowed them to recombine…
You are mixing real phenomena known by everybody with non-real phenomena that only you says they exists. Why?! The universe was formed from the “residues” of a central point, reduced to singularity, that triggered a motion of expansion. But yours own body once time was an extreme singularity inside ova and spermatozoon that triggered a motion of expansion. Why are you blind to facts here and now that explains what happened there at macro level? Can’t you, a fetus, see your “natural” parents?
Gibberish is the explosion of a minuscule atom containing all matter of this universe that resulted from the initial event. Gibberish is the non-existent ghost cannibal monster of the space called “black hole”.And etc. Try to avoid mathematics masturbation and computer simulations by a moment, return back to the real Nature, the answers are facing yours eyes here and now.
“For instance, Matrix/DNA Theory suggests a model of lightwave spectrum floating over space that carries the code for life/matter.”
“The theoretical model where lightwaves shows the resources for imprinting life on matter.”
I do not understand. Does this hypothesis state that these lightwave patterns are the *cause* of life and matter, or that they are responsible for shaping the necessary information onto matter to enable self replication, etc, and other characteristics inherent to life?
This model is a rational sequence from previous models resulting from comparative anatomy applied over living and non-living systems. This method reveals a pattern existing in each natural system, from atoms to galaxies to cells to human beings. Nature makes new systems putting copies of the old under life cycle process, each shape produced by transformation becomes a universal function of new system. Each shape has one state of energy, which is just the sequence of frequencies of any lightwave
“Does this hypothesis state that these lightwave patterns are the *cause* of life and matter, or that they are responsible for shaping the necessary information onto matter to enable self replication, etc, and other characteristics inherent to life?”
I am not sure yet. Matter is inertial but invaded by or standing over lightwaves which has different vibrations makes matter acquiring the same sequence, from gamma-ray to radio, which is the cyclic vibrational sequence from babies to cadavers
Everything is scientifically falsiable, the opposite of yours “Genesis”, so, hands at work proving it is wrong. But..maybe you can save something of yours Genesis. This hypothesis about natural light as the carrier imprinting the vital cycle into matter could be the hands and arms of yours God used for his creations. But, if so, you will need taking out this God from earth dealing with humans because he should be zillions times more greater, placing him to the magnificence that a god deserves.
Since August there are unite a few people here who have asked for evidence of absolute randomness/nothing producing vibrations. Any evidence presented? There is no scientific method able to produce a total state of world which, moving by itself, could produces the complexity we see here and now. Just the same tired atheist cliches. What’s about keeping the mind opened to search a rational scientifically experimental explanation?
Ok, do you want play? Texting develops and coordinates intelligence. Because for texting we use fingers, not tongs. It happens that our hand is the exactly copy of the universal natural formula used by Nature for organizing matter into systems. The picture of the formula is in Matrix/DNA website, go there and puts yours left hand over the formula, while the palm must be over Function 1. Now see the meaning of your fingers, from the smaller to last, the running life cycle, the systemic circuit
What is the enemy that I need be safe just now? Predators, real predators. If I am a Muslim I need fight against those predators, the sheikhs of the oil; if I am Brazilian I need fight the Portuguese families that dominates the country under slavery by 500 years; if I am American I need fight against those parasites at Wall Street; And so on. I can’t fight my real enemy because you, yes…YOU, are stolen the intelligence of preys while children and they are unuseful for the right fight.You=Evil
To me, evil is any force going against the rhythm and destiny that my poor intelligence and knowledge can grasp from the Nature I can see in this short lifetime. I am seeing that Nature is investing all its efforts for developing the human brain for better nurturing a new natural system emerging: Consciousness. And any social system or predator or religion that prejudices any human being to have theirs brains developed is a force against Nature. Against Humanity! Freedom of mind, free thinker..
No. Far away from that. We see here and now less than the half of the Truth. We see this biosphere under chaotic state. That’s the dangerous trap hidden behind a theory of biological evolution: one can extract from this chaos his/her moral values, which are primitive savagery, competition, feline smartness, etc. The other way, seeing the ordered Cosmos but does not understanding it is also a dangerous trap for moral values (dictatorship under religion). Intelligence can solve this puzzle.
I don’t “believe” Ted. And I can’t understand those that “believe”. I never forget that I am like a microbe of this Universe, as my body is a echo-system where are living millions of creatures, celled organisms that are not my cells, and I don’t know nothing about them. I never forget the super-agglomerate of agglomerates of galaxies that is this universe, and the size of my little brain. This brain for sure can not know the final Truth, if there is one. So, faith is one losing mental control
@marksmith1117 “is you trying to replace wcience with your personal religious feelings.”
I see a harmony:
“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, & comets could only proceed from the counsel & dominion of an intelligent & powerful Being.” Isaac Newton
Dilemma:
Religion is not really the issue, but…emptiness, of today’s atheism…without God means turning toward something…we need coherent secular popular philosophies that effectively answer life’s vital questions. -naturalism. org
The supreme tendency of matter towards thermodynamic equilibrium transforms chaos into order, harmony. See the beauty valleys, mountains the river running calm, over there? Once time all that matter were dust being burned and moving chaotically without any harmonic shapes. But, in Matrix/DNA, we are seeing that chaos, order, death, are results of matter floating over a wave of light expanding from the Big Bang. Matter oscillates accordingly to region/frequencies of this waves it stands. No gods
@TheMatrixDNA “See the beauty valleys, mountains the river running calm, over there?”
Yes. The “supreme tendency of matter towards thermodynamic equilibrium” will destroy all of that beauty by filling the valleys & streams with matter from mountains which erode & flatten.
“The mystery is not that an ordered state should become disordered but that the early Universe apparently was in a highly ordered state.” — Don N. Page, “Inflation Does Not Explain Time Asymmetry”, Nature, 1983
While I am appealing to real facts here and now ( the beauty valleys, mountains..) you are bringing on not real facts from here and now, but apparent early universe? Any idea of early universe is still metaphysics. Why not keeping the debate limited to the world that “we” see? Why you change the “we see” for the “I see”? The valleys will be destroyed, the solar system will be dust, the dust will be a solar system, the valleys will be here again. And no god will be here creating the valleys
Creationists hang their hat on “A Common Designer.”
Whale flippers with bones in them that look just like humans. The knowing gaze of an orangutan at the zoo – you can just tell what they’re thinking. Dolphins know us and haul us to the beach to keep us from drowning. Crows recognize faces and decide if your threatening at first glance.
The examples are endless and are – of course – not driven by practical design and evolution, but The Lord of Every Molecule and Thought in the Universe, right?
I think, everybody (evolutionists and creationists) see evidences of “previous design” always down, like the ancient saw turtles always down. The problem is that this chain going down sometimes is missing solid steps, as “the previous design for human’s consciousness not seen in apes”, the “previous design for the first cell system” not seen in this non organic planet”, the “previous design for the universe not seen in the “nothing”. It is missing turtles here. I think Tom raped them.
You don’t know a very deep mechanism of Nature. There is a natural formula responsible by what will be born fertile or sterile. You can see this formula since the RNA/DNA. This formula is like a face, composed by left and right sides, symmetrical phenotype, asymmetrical genotypes. RNA, as the left side, can produces three kinds of copies. One will not be interbreeded, other will be sterile, the third will be fertile, but then, you have DNA. You can see this formula in the sky: the Matrix/DNA
“To their chagrin [scientists] have no clear-cut answer, because chemists have never succeeded in reproducing nature’s experiments on the creation of life out of nonliving matter. Scientists do not know how that happened.”—The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe p. 19.
And to their chagrin (creationists) have no clear-cut-answer, because priests applying players or magics have never succeeded in transforming nonliving matter or the vacuum into something alive. The problem is in Jastrow’s own field: astronomy. The current astronomical models about stars, galaxies and planetary formations, the way these systems works and the cosmological evolution have no foundations for producing biological systems. The error is in the theoretical models, not in the world.
That’s a great rational suggestion, I think. But, the very problem still stands: “Which natural system was the design that designed the first cell system?” Of course, must have one. If not, something, some force, coming from some source laying outside the long universal chain of causes/effects/causes… acted over abiogenesis, and I can’t accept it because it should be a non-natural source. The solution for this question will come from comparative anatomy, as being tried by Matrix/DNA models
It has been said (by someone much smarter than me):
“The Nobel Prize winning scientist Linus Pauling aptly described science as the search for truth. Science does this by continuously comparing its theories objectively with evidence in the natural world. When theories no longer conform to the evidence, they are modified or rejected in favor of new theories that do conform. In other words, science constantly tries to prove its assumptions to be false and rejects implausible explanations.”
There are problems here. Science does not compares theories, humans do it. Science does not walks by its own legs, it is driven by humans. And humans has bias, always are driven by tendencies, everybody has an ideology. Science never can know the final truth of any real object or event, because Science does not know yet all natural systems aligned in the universal hierarchy that affects the smallest objects. Humans drives scientific tools to accumulate data belonging to their beliefs.
You are great! If the 500 characters don’t let me finish my thought, you do it for me! Computers! Here is the final mortal trap! An electric-mechanic brain connected to mechanic sensors, investigating the invisible micro and macro dimensions, giving “his” informations to biological brains, included, building theories by simulations and imposing these theories to biological brains’ world view. Welcome to the Brave New World, zombies! No, my friend, I will fight against it till my death!
Evolutionism, as described by Modern Synthesis, is the modern religion, in opposition to deism described by Bible. MS says “natural selection is a logical process, non random selection of mutations”, but MS says “this occurs partly because random mutations.” Then, NS is a occurred random process because its motor, its productor, is randomness. Like God does for creationists, NS fits all gaps for atheists. We don’t know scientifically why evolutionary mutations happened. Theories are welcome
Thanks. My lovely, tiny, almighty lord, Pink Unicorn, said that I must forgive you, because you are so ignorant and blind about the final Truth as I am. We must cry together, my friend, or, lifting up our heads and, as soldiers, going to fighter our enemy: ignorance. By the way, Pink said that you go to heaven also and he will give you pink popcorn eternally. Pink bless you…
You have no truth. Just baseless assertions without the slightest scrap of evidence. You’re no better than creationists. In sum, you’re fucking retarded.
What did you understand when I said: “you are so ignorant and blind about the final Truth as I am”?! I mean that I actually have no truth. I am an Science-advancer, you are a “science -stopper” as will be a whole generations of humans indoctrinated to believe on blind evolution. This belief is dangerous because makes humans to behavior like insects, and insects built societies based on “The Brave New World” under the rules of the “Big Queen”. See ants and bees. PinkUnicorn bless you again…
When I said I am a science-advancer I was based on that I built theoretical models that are scientifically falsifiable. They will be debunked or acclaimed, that’s for sure. And I said you are a science-stopper because if evolution is blind, if the Universe has no purpose, as you are claiming, without any intelligible theoretical model, you are suggesting things that Science never will be able to falsify. So, you are doing a bad disservice to Science.
I don’t know if my mind have religions beliefs or not. I can’t see my mind from outside it. I was raised on the streets as orphan and homeless ( I am still now) but sometimes my relatives lead me to catholic church. The very fact that all those people of that church made me a slave for doing their hard work without paying me as they earn their money, made me conclude that Christian religion is bad source of morals designing bad social systems. I got university and my world view is naturalist.
Some organisms have structures or organs that seem to serve no useful function. For example, humans have a tailbone at the end of the spine that is of no apparent use. Some snakes have tiny pelvic bones and limb bones, and some cave-dwelling salamanders have eyes even though members of the species are completely blind. Such seemingly functionless parts are called vestigial organs or structures. Vestigial organs are often homologous to organs that are useful in other species.
Do you really think that if humans had tail they would not be useful? I should be grateful having a long, strong tail ( that’s why I am every morning pulling out my tailbone, and I will teach my next generations doing it also, maybe we can resuscitate our lost tails). At least, a good tail could be used for holding my fast food while driving. What I am trying to say is that Modern Synthesis about natural selection must be wrong in some way. There are more hidden causes there…
Please explain how those are mechanisms for evolution.
Remember that mutations are over 60% detrimental and only 0.1% advantageous (according to evolution scientists) . The advantageous 0.1% has never been seen to add genetic information.
I’d like for you to explain how random mutation could slowly over millions of years make a wing out of an arm.
Nature can make wings and arms out of a observable universal mechanism. It is the same mechanism that produces tails in comets, cellular flagellum, humans arms and legs. It is the mechanism that produces the channel conducting dust from died star towards a central vortex (aka black hole) for to be recycling. It is the mechanisms that arises from lightwaves when degenerates to the lowest frequencies. It is a mechanism called all time that a natural system chose to express it.
If the Jews’ god chosen them and not us also, this God is not my god and I should hate him, if I didn’t conclude that those Jews were lying. If you believe in this god, keep it to yourself, doesn’t be a social public asshole because there are lots of people in Western civilization that hates gods and those foreign people that discriminates us. I am interested in Jews history as I am about Chinese, Hindu, native Americans, etc, history, but, their ancient interpretations of History is ridiculous.
Since August there are unite a few people here who have asked for evidence of God/designer/creation. Any evidence presented? Just the same tired creationist cliches.
Since August there are unite a few people here who have asked for evidence of absolute randomness/nothing producing vibrations. Any evidence presented? There is no scientific method able to produce a total state of world which, moving by itself, could produces the complexity we see here and now. Just the same tired atheist cliches. What’s about keeping the mind opened to search a rational scientifically experimental explanation?
If you had even read my response to you earlier you might of realized why the post you just did was idiotic… What you are asking for isn’t evolution. That’s a straw man. Maybe if you actually read up on evolution and learned what it actually is, you could ask a proper question, but right now your question starts with a false premise and no one is going to answer it outside of saying ‘your question is wrong’.
The question remains: “Is there a scientific method able to produce a total state of world which, moving by itself, could produces the complexity we see here and now? All yours post is words expressing metaphysics and escaping from real facts.
Ignoring the massive straw man you decided to use you do realize the majority of the major contributers to evolution were quite religious. Remember, evolution doesn’t exclude religion despite what some ignorant people want to believe.
The amount of evidences I can see here and now shows total absence of metaphysics. The mechanisms and processes I see here and now are all from forces that are from natural precedence. Yes, the world that I had experienced all my life suggests evolution and exclude religions. Is your world different than mine?!
If youwant to talk ab out such details feel free to mail me, but discussing things like quantumelectrodynamics or virtual particles is impossible in bite sizes and without links. But to really understand those concepts requires quite a bit of learning, and quite a few other qualities not too many people have.
Do you know any lab where I can go and see a space fit with nothing and producing vibrations? Observing the spectrum of vibration on screens does not prove that nothing produces them and I don’t know how one can prove that the space is fulfilled with only “nothing”. There are people here advocating that this world came from nothing, that’s why I am arguing against.
For instance, Matrix/DNA Theory suggests a model of lightwave spectrum floating over space that carries the code for life/matter
There are computer simulations, which is a recognized scientific method, that can show you evolution happens and how it happens. Other then that you woulöd need a 4 billion year experiment, which isnt really practicable.
Deism and atheism – the issues here – are related to the question “why” and not “how” or “what”. Computer simulations and exaggerated Mathematics can be a dangerous trap to human beings. Good samples are “the ghost non-existent space cannibal black holes of Stephen Hawking”, the most computer’s models about astronomy every day being debunked by new Nasa photos, etc. Do you now why happens these mistakes? Computers hardware and programs are not the Universe hardware and program.
I believe that anyone that does not believe in God has to be quite ignorant, there is much Proof of a Creator, and the people that believe in evolution are in such denial of the truth they don’t see the holes in their theory. May God Bless you for defending your belief in him.
You are right, “anyone that does not believe in God has to be quite ignorant”. But I am not defending gods here, I don’t know about gods, I don’t know more than the few data collected by empirical methods and the world of my life’s experience. I am quite a ignorant, no problem with that. The theoretical model where lightwaves shows the resources for imprinting life on matter could be the arm and hand of a God, but, this bad world torturing my loved species suggests no gods or a very bad god.
Of course, they are. The issue here is about genetic mutations, the motor that triggers biological evolution. Since that one believe in random mutations being the motor, and since “random” have no mechanisms, the whole building called evolution has no answer.
Pretty black and white there Bill…There are really insane folks who don’t take into account fossil history, geology and the expansion of the universe. But there are also really insane people who don’t take into account the soul, morality and basic human behavior and the design of the universe. The all or nothing approach by, unfortunately you, and many creationists drives me crazy. Everyone has an agenda.
It is not insane to believe in a creator God or evolution when you look at the evidence.
You are almost at the same level which stands people selecting Matrix/DNA Theory. The unique thing we don’t agree is yours says: “It is not insane to believe in a creator God”. This chaotic biosphere, the normal torture of living beings, are evidences of no intelligent design, and they are evidences of absence of lovely gods watching this horror here. It is not insane believing in magical gods because this is normal to consciousness evolution: children believing in ghosts friends. Be adult
Yes, but when I look at the evidence, absolute randomness is not implied. I see all biological systems coming from parents that were their previous design.
Evolution isn’t ‘absolute randomness’. All offspring are based off their predecessors. Genetic mutations occur with each generation. Most mutations are neutral and are minor mutations at that. We look like we do now, but with enough mutations down enough generations, our offspring would look much different. Evolution isn’t about ‘one thing giving birth to something completely random’, it deals with variations in genetic code that stack upon each other over numerous generations.
So, the first cause, the beginning of all process that produced this co-lateral process of variation at the genetic code, best adaptation, survival, grow of offspring, and finally its natural selection, is the variation at the genetic code. Is it wrong? But which are the causes of these variations, the cause of the cause?
The input is a randomly generated initial population (100), a scoring function, and a mutation rate that will insert random mutations that are not present in the parents. The program then ranks generation zero, and the bottom 50 are “killed”, the top 50 are randomly mated to create 50 new solution. Novel mutants are inserted into these new solutions (3 per generation) and they are scored and ranked with the parents. Repeat this process 2500 generation, and you get clusters of possible solutions.
That’s great! Labs could save billions dollars, years time if discovers Matrix/DNA models. It is explained by an analogy. Aliens intelligence were observing an Islamic country, trying to understand the behavior, the forces driven those people as organized group. They had hard time because the matter of humans bodies are composed by atoms and cells which has different set of tendencies. Everything were finally explained when they knew about a book, Koran. The Matrix is the book driven proteins
Nobody is denying the existence of your computer or it’s power to process algorithms. I’m denying your claim of knowing the existence of ‘randomy replicating replicators’ without your consciousness, since randomly replicating replicators cannot randomly replicate resulting in any definable reality without an intervening consciousness to assert it. There would be merely a realm of ‘infinite everything that’s ever possible’ including the idea of randomness and replication.
My friend! What happens when a first single cell, resulting from the fusion of spermatozoon and ovule, becomes a replicating replicator, making billions of copies, each one different from all others? What is the difference between this scene you can see here and now with the hypothetical scene calculated as abiogenesis, where the results of such replications are supposed to be randomly? But… how are you seeing a mother giraffe (previous design) applying consciousness for her ovule doing that?
Because the existence, idea, and concepts of ovules and giraffes require intervention of some form of consciousness to determine the definitions of those words (and the definition of ‘word’ and the definition of ‘definition’ for that matter).
The debate is you think reality is created by consciousness, directly, while Icook and I think that our reality is created by Nature (maybe consciousness exists beyond nature as first cause). We deal with ovules, giraffes as real things at the same level of our material body reality. Birds has no conceptual definitions of giraffes, but they deal with giraffes. Why losing time with things can not be reached by us/our Science? We can’t understand consciousness as babies can’t understand parents
Yes, and evolution computer algorithms clearly show that, “in theory” given a population of randomly replicating replicators and a non-random survival search input, you can achieve results that look like design.
I use such algorithms to generate protein-ligand models that are used as a basis of drug engineering. The program uses “randomness” to search the space of possible solutions to identify the best one. These models are subsequently validated by experimentation.
That’s very good new information for my personal studies. Could you be more detailed, please? I know I must type yours words doing a Google search, but any direct link will save my time. If I understood it, the key of this method is the “non-random survival model”. How do you has detected the survival search model for molecules, as proteins?! By other hand, I think that Matrix/DNA model of perfect closed systems must be the survival model applied by atoms/molecules (thermodynamic equilibrium)
In the absence of a higher form of intelligence, HUMAN intelligence is what we have. If HUMAN intelligence (in my view, my consciousness) is the whole of reality, there becomes no need for there to be a universe ‘designed’ for anything BUT human (my) intelligence.
I cannot logically come up with the existence of any other ‘realm’ where quantum entanglement, the measurement problem, and the requirement of a conscious observer to assert reality (double slit) ALL apply.
But you could be a dense bubble that pop out from a whole ocean of consciousness ( God, if you want call it). Lots of these bubbles makes a kind of foam above the ocean surface. This foam is the material dense Universe. If we considers this hypothesis, everything can be explained here. Till explains any spectrum of any natural lightwaves recorded in the screen shows how photons pops out from that waves. And this is explained by Matrix/DNA discovering that lightwaves contains the code for life.
Creationism/ Intelligent Design is not the proof of the bible, or odin, or krisha, or anything else. It is the understanding of recognizing design when it is present. Physics allow for clay to self assemble into a statue of Einstein, but if I walk past a statue of Einstein I don’t say “there’s no proof it was intelligently designed. Physics clearly allow for it to happen on it’s own”. I don’t suspend belief in the same logic and reason that allow me to navigate reality because the topic is ID.
Yes, any rational mind can see and recognizes that design is present for producing biological systems and consciousness systems. Still here you are being a rational mind. But any rational mind recognizes that all previous design are naturals. Never nobody saw a previous design made by supernatural beings or laws. Then, which should be your rational behavior? Search in the state of the world before biological systems’ emergency, which was the natural system that contained the design. Or don’t?!
“…any rational mind recognizes that all previous design are naturals.”
This is the equal to saying, “we as humans became aware of, through our experience with the universe, a pre-existing design structure (science, math) and the ‘laws’ that allow for biological evolution (DNA) to occur. It clearly operates with a goal (i.e. create a body) demonstrating what humans recognize as design. All it’s components (quanta), however, did not need to have the goal of creating IT for IT to emerge.
But you said: “Creationism/ Intelligent Design is not the proof of the bible, or odin, or krisha, or anything else. It is the understanding of recognizing design when it is present.”
We can recognize previous design without applied intelligence. I think that giraffes intercourse, the working of their genes, etc., has no intelligent goal when allowing embryogenesis evolution and emergency of a new baby’s giraffe. Where are you seeing intelligent previous design in Nature?
I don’t know how else to say it You have to zoom out. Zoom out so far that you aren’t even holding the damn camera anymore.
“Scoring functions”, “initial populations”, and the mere idea of “random” are definitions of a reality which cannot exist without a consciousness to determine the nature of such concepts.
The fact that you are creating ‘rules of the universe’ by allowing IDEAS even to exist inherently mean you are playing god by allowing your consciousness to determine definitions.
You seam to be moving into an undefined direction of new age thought. I think you are wrong, pretty dam confidant about it. But when you start talking the relationship of coniousness and reality, you enter a field that is beyond what science can answer. You enter philosophy, and “prof” becomes in the eye of the beholder.
” But when you start talking the relationship of coniousness and reality, you enter a field that is beyond what science can answer.”
– not at all. Quite the contrary. Science shows consciousness is a requirement through double slit, which thus far has not been debunked, despite the best efforts of quantum eraser.
Double Slit already did that. It showed consciousness to be a requirement. Otherwise, ‘matter’ exists infinitely everywhere as a conceptual particle/wave duality. It’s properties as ‘particle’ or ‘wave’ rely on the presence of the observer.
No. Double Slit is seen as wave when observed by human consciousness. But the real material world is the material screen, which has no consciousness, and it see particles, not waves. Go back to my suggestion: we are the bubbles which composes the foam which are above the ocean waterwaves. The foam is the material universe created by our ancestors (atoms, galaxies). The ocean (infinite consciousness) is the waves, has anything to see with this Universe. You are a man, the bubble, live as a man.
You said that you are God, and Hall knew it. No, you are one of those trillions of bubbles that popped out from God, at the instant of the Big Bang. In the shape of yours ancestors ( quarks, protons, atoms, etc.) you created this Universe full of galaxies. Like the bubbles that pops up from the ocean waterwaves creates the foam. See Matrix/DNA interpretation of an electric-magnetic spectrum of lightwaves, see how the frequencies are the code for life’s cycle and how it produces photons-bubbles.
About this article – Is-the-universe a computer simulation? I am astonishing that nobody are considering the most rational alternative, which should be: this universe carries on a reproduction process of what created it (as did by Matrix/DNA). Computation is artificial projection from natural genetics and when we observe an embryogenese process, the shapes of morula, blastula is the same we see as atoms’ nebulae, galaxies, etc. Why the human mindset refuses to hold on the Nature we see here?
There is evidence of abiogenesis. First there was no life on Earth; then there was life. This had to happen somehow and saying “it must be magic” is not science. You’re not a scientist for good reason, Tom – you’re not any good at it.
There are ancient wrongs humans concepts that produces these jumps to magical thinking. One is the word “origins” and its common definition. We need fighting this word every time someone uses it. There is no origins of anything. If there were origins, it would means the breaks down of the long natural chain of causes and effects. It is the responsible for wrong separation “life from non-life” when referring to the evolution/mutation of a half-biological/half mechanical into a biological system
Tom… could you looking for the theoretical model (Matrix/DNA) of the state of the world minutes before life’s origins? ( Glup… I mean, before the emergency of biological systems?) You will see the exactly picture of Garden of Eden as it was really. You will see the serpent, Adam, Eve, tree, apple, the fall, etc. This picture is recorded into our memory, it comes by flash and if a person doesn’t know astronomy, DNA, thermodynamic systems, he/she will think that it is about a magical world.
The laws of Physics and Science break down inside Black Holes and during the Singularity that “Big Bang-ed” to become our universe.
‘Science’ as an ultimate truth of reality is COMPLETELY reliant on the accuracy of that ‘science’ being infinitely pervasive.
Knowing there are areas of space/time in the universe where it is NOT, means it cannot yet be scientifically verified as an ultimate truth, thus it is a FAITH.
If unverified Science = Philosophy; Science = Philosophy
Are you saying that humans’ theories ( Big Bang, Singularity, etc.) break down the natural chain of causes and effects? Of course, it can’t be in this way. It means our theories are wrong. May you think another way?
At least, The Matrix/DNA Theory, coming from a different pathway, which is analyzing this world from the Biological perspective, other than the Physics perspective, is suggesting other interpretations for “black holes”and “singularity”.
Obviously they look for mistakes… it’s called “verification”, a requirement to highlight the truth of a theory. You have no way to deny the lack of verification in relation to our understanding of reality, since Science is used to explain (define) our reality, and the nature of what gave rise to substance cannot be explained.
The goal of rational inquiry is searching for explanations about the nature of what gave rise to substance. And this is the marvelous force driving human knowledge. When all collected data arrives to a point where we see that our method can not advance towards that goal, we go back, before the time that the current theories were elaborated, putting all data over the table, and calculating others ways for arrangement and connections. From here will arise new theories as new guides, as Matrix/DNA
No. Rational minds does not transform theories into faith. rational minds has fundamental rules to obey, like Godel’s theorem; “nobody can know the final Truth of a system standing inside it, as we are inside this Universe”. Rational minds never forget that our brain is too much limited and small facing this immense world and does not know half of informations on it. That’s why Matrix/DNA does not became faith, it is a theory for being tested against real facts.
Tom…you have not answered my questions: Does yours god believe in evolution? I don’t think he is such illiterate for believing in creationism… Hey, can you phone to your god? Invite him came here taking a human course about design. The modern world need new designs. Humans with a long tail for holding fast food while driving, a third leg for carrying the weight, nose with one hole for saving energy, six fingers in the feet for running fast, etc. I will be grateful if you phone him…
I am a catholic myself, but creationists are just an embarasment for the rest of us christians that want to see the society progress. Please, stop it.
But if you are a catholic you are doing good things and bad things. You are feeding an institution that works as a counterforce to others fundamentalists religions, this is the good thing. The bad thing is that the catholic doctrine works against the right moral which would build the right social system. Nature is showing a purpose here: development of brains for nurturing the embriogenese of consciousness. 95% of humans today are not doing it. The Bible,Kuran, are viruses against this purpose.
There is proof of evolution, ergo, there is proof creationism isn’t real. The human baby passes through all the stages of evolution since it’s inception to it’s birth. The human coxis is a vestigial tail, that can only be explained by evolution, as some babies are born with enlongated coxises that resemble a tail, and they can even move it.
Lol… at least someone with a real naturalist Reason! Only theories based in real, observed, known facts by everybody, here and now, can be good guide and source for new discoveries. Other analogy for you: Why Earth has waited billions years before creating a first living cell? Answer: reduces 4.5 billion years to 9 months. Now makes comparison between abiogenesis and embryogenesis. The first cell must be the embryonary shape of fetus. You will see the same process. Nature is only one worker
DNAunion- “Direct panspermia proposed natural aliens as the ‘desginers’, no magical superbeings in the sky.”
Matrix/DNA Theory: “Panspermia is wrong when supposes that life had origins on other place, transferring the mystery from here, not solving it. There is no separation between “life and nonliving”, since that everything is natural systems. There is a half-mechanical/half-biological system in the sky (see his picture) that projects itself over planets surfaces making biological systems.
We are all affected by that. No evolutionist wants to think that his belief in universal common ancestry is fundamentally flawed, so he continues in his belief, thinking that evolution works just like the theory predicts. But, being “biased” is not necessarily bad if that bias is based on truth. Scientific theories are not based on truth, but on the best naturalistic explanation available until a better explanation displaces it (which happens often).
I agree that there is a natural process of evolution acting over diversification of species and I think I know a better explanation about the universal common ancestry than Modern Synthesis has, I know that this common ancestry is not proved yet, I know it will be merely a part of the next best explanation, but, at any moment, there is any kind of faith, beliefs, here. Understanding that we don’t know the final Truth is like the good Science: continuing to search it.
If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
You are pretty tight! That’s why I will sue these people that is telling my lovely, tiny lord Pink Unicorn does not exist because the scientific instruments cannot perceive His existence. Thanks and Pink bless you!
The materialists may insist obstinately on denying the truth and put forward another specious argument. They may say, “We do not cut off the chain of causality but, on the contrary, perpetuate it indefinitely; we defend the principle of the infinite nature of the causative link.”
So how can great and complex beings emerge from infinite joinings of nonbeing?
“So how can great and complex beings emerge from infinite joinings of nonbeing?”
You are making a wrong separation of the Chain of Causality (complex beings and nonbeings) into two blocks and leaving an abysmal gap between then. The final result of this unappropriated method is that you will need to invent something non-natural for to fulfill this abysm. There is no such things as life and non-life. Biological systems were produced by half-mechanical/half-biological systems. See the sky.
1Tabligh, sorry, I think your brain was structured with false informations (as creationism) then, it is hard-wired in a way that denies you make the right reasoning. As human being, you never can say anything definitive about the Chain of Causality. See this right and proved information: Godel’s theorem: “Nobody inside a system can knows the truth about the system”. We are inside the chain of causality, nobody went outside this material universe, so, there are no conclusions about…yet.
To analyze the world of creation in this manner rests on the supposition of a chain of causes and effects and the infinite unfolding of a succession of causes.
However, since each cause is also an effect, it lacks being in its own essence; it is unable to partake of existence apart from the cause superior and precedent to it.
Does life gush forth from the union of the numerous factors that bring about death?
The analyses of this world must not rests upon any previous supposition. There are no real data here approving any of possibles alternatives reached by a human brain. We don’t know if there is infinite, if there was a beginning, or if there are a third alternative. So, we don’t know about a “cause superior and precedent to it.” But you have the right to do yours own analyse. The right way is putting all known data over the table, doing its connections and elaborating a theory about the gaps.
An essence that lacks life in and of itself cannot be eternal and cannot be the source for life.
If the material world is eternal, it follows that an eternal being should be subject to change and cessation, which is impossible.
Second, if the elements comprising the world are eternal by virtue of their essence, how is it possible that they should enter the embrace of death and disappearance?
“if the elements comprising the world are eternal by virtue of their essence, how is it possible that they should enter the embrace of death and disappearance?”
You have a real fact here and now suggesting how it is possible. The composition of hardware plus software of your computer. Think about that. They both will embrace death and disappearance.The whole generation of this software and hardware models will disappears. But computers will be here. DNA, brains, universes can be the same…
any analogy can be either misleading or revealing depending on how its received. am asking would not the theoretical processes of evolution beginning after abiogenesis would have occurred, continue to contradict the law of entropy which overall should be preventing the dna molecules from continuing to increase in coherently organized complexity through time?
There is a rational explanation about why DNA molecules are continuing to increase in complexity. DNA is a chemical/biological system produced by and existing inside other system. This other system is partially described by Newtonian mechanics but it remains in mystery since we does not know the whole system, the Milk Way an effects from relativity, QM. If this creator system is a kind of system more perfect as machine than biological systems, it is reasonable that DNA is still being built.
Thanks, Bill Nye, for stating this clearly. Creationists keep spewing about “real science,” but they universally convey a cartoon understanding of what science is and how it works. It’s not an accident that their backgrounds in science are very weak – it’s a prerequisite.
From a naturalist philosopher view point Bill is right and wrong. He is right suggesting that a child driven to read and believe in a mythological book suggesting a world view that has no correspondence with the evidences we see here and now will prejudice the rational development. He is wrong suggesting that Science – as the human fight for search knowledge of natural world – based solely in reductionist method – has proved the Modern Synthesis evolutionary theory. It is not.
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Right. But you will never know how it happened. So how can one build a tower without a base? There is no base to evolution so it is useless to me. You start a story from the beginning not the middle.
Scientists does not arrived to the word “evolution” trying to write a history. They were after the mechanisms and processes responsible by the real existence of these immense variety of species. Their calculations suggested some mechanisms (Variation, Selection, Inheritance, etc.). Then they are testing this mechanism every time a new fossil or a new species are discovered and the theoretical mechanisms fits very well. They are applying these mechanisms in labs and domestic breeds. It works.
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Man invented gods to explain things he could not explain and demons to blame for his own foul ups.
Curious thoughts for you: The Bible’s authors wrote what came into their imaginations. This are produced by brains, composed by atoms which are combined and organized by forces from systems more complex than they are. If the calculations from Matrix/DNA models are right, about 10 billion years ago, the most complex natural system was exactly how was metaphorically described in the tale known as “Adam and Even in the Garden Paradise”. It was an astronomical system, made with stars, planets, etc.
ok.. for instance look at the law of entropy, and the difference between how this physical law affects the behavior of living matter vs nonliving matter.
You need more known informations for building yours interpretations of this world. You are making comparisons between complete organized systems (living matter) with parts, portions, substances (nonliving matter) belonging to other natural systems. It is wrong! Systems must be comparable to systems, parts with parts. If you do the right way you will see that any natural non-biological system (atoms, galaxies) has internal motions, metabolism, homeostasis, etc, all principles of organisms.
im sorry you feel that way about life. everything may be made of the same stuff, but there is a difference in how this stuff behaves between living organisms and dead matter.
Of course there is difference between yours own hands and a hand alone, separated and abandoned on the street. Both hands are made of same stuff but yours hand still is part of a working natural system, the other is not. Why are you making comparisons between working systems (atoms, galaxies, organisms) and dead parts of systems( branches of trees on the soil, dried leaves, etc.) ?!
Science should not endorse evolution or creationism. Science questions everything even evolution. Everything we believe today will most likely be classified as junk science just like we view great minds of the past believing the world was flat to be an immutable fact. if someone tells Bill Nye “I don’t believe in evolution” as a scientist, he should say “Well, I disagree but I respect your opinion.” NOT badger and belittle someone for their opinions.
I don’t agree. If you was an Egyptian 3.000 years ago and one tells: “We are forcing thousands of slaves for building these pyramids because we believe in Ra, the Sun’s God”, which would be yours reaction? Every time religious group dominates governments the Egyptian history is repeated, here and now(temples). I think the goal of this world ( with gods or not) is developing human brains for the best nurturing of this emergence of consciousness. It means:help all humans’ evolution, no slaves.
While rational folks here are holding the line against the creatards, the Discovery Channel is feeding them ammunition in the form of “science programming” from the Curiosity series, specifically this piece of incompetent crap – “Mankind Rising”
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Not even one minute in and the narrator says that abiogenesis “defies the laws of probability”. Next they explain the first cell as being the result of lightening forming DNA.
I will watch the video but before that, The Matrix/DNA models denies their arguments. Same way that we don’t need applying the calculus of probability for to know that a human fecundated ovule will produce a new human being, we don’t need probability when we know the last natural evolved system that produced biological systems ( the entire astronomical state of the world minutes before life’s origins) for to see the evidences that it will produce a biological system. The current Nebular model..
The current Nebular model in fact can’t explain the forces and elements that produced abiogenesis, but I think this model is wrong. The Matrix models are not proved yet, but, it shows were are those forces and elements. Creationism is theory also, so, it is a fight between theories. About the second argument, Matrix can challenge the creationist argument by changing lightening for the Matrix’s model of light waves coming from Sun and cosmic radiation and its effects upon terrestrial atoms.
1) Science claims that Earth has been in existence for 4.5 billion years<= such lack of wisdom! Why would Earth have been in existence for so long, just to harbor its ever most important creed of Humans, 4.497.500.000 years later? And why would Humans have existed 2.5 millions years, then only began to do major intelligent things only in the last 1000 years or so? IT DOES NOT EQUATE. Earth is not that aged, and Humans simply did not evolve, period. (read below)
People claims that the human fetus has been in existence for six months <= such lack of wisdom! Why would a fetus have been in existence for so long, just to harbor its ever most important shape, the embryo, seven months later? And why would the embryo have existed 2 months, then only coming to light?! IT DOES NOT EQUATE.
True, see the universe composed by galaxies, see the blastula composed by cells. Terrestrial atoms were waiting the time required by Matrix as the embryo for DNA
A Bonobo – which resembles a Human more closely than any of the other primates from which (according to science) Human alledgedly came from – is not a Human. What science is seeing are similarities. In the while that primate where having their diverse types of “primate” progenies, there had been an intervention, an occurence which brought around the Human creed to Earth. Such occurence is narrated in diverse historical, cultural accts – which science refuses to accept for fear of being wrong
But there others theories suggesting different interventions. Do you back up your theory of aliens intervention on NASA’s astronauts? Daniken collected hundreds of evidences, but the theory stopped, waiting for something else. You don’t have something else, no new historical and cultural acts. Matrix/DNA also has suggested this intervention over humans’brains, but the cause should be hierarchy of systems, as happens in computer evolution by the feed-back between hardware and software. So?
Science takes the convenient position putting forward numerical claims that not even the mind of their proponents can fathom. Such claim that Earth is 4.5 billion years old is absurd. And that Humans have been around for 2.5 million — but then science turns around and conveniently says that Humans are done evolving! This nonsense is very laughable. So what caused them to be done evolving? Could it be that it’s just a very convenient position to suit their original error that Humans evolved?
Ok, I have showed to you that the time of 4,5 billion years and all events in the last 2,5 million years are well supported by Nature when showing the process of embryogenese. Now you ask: So what caused them to be done evolving? The answer is the same. Consciousness is the emergency of the new natural shape of a universal system. Synapses are being modeled and organized to be a natural very complex system. This is other event of embryogenese not in human short time, but in universal long time
2) & the funniest thing is when they say ‘oh, these things that are up there, following a constant motion, the planets & moon and all of them.. oh they’re just like that because if you push something it keeps going for ever if not blocked’ — very funny – not demonstrated in real life – & also what set off the original push. Then Einstein tells you “oh, time bends” which is silly, as time does not exist physically. These guys are finished: no proof, no sense, just convenience, it’s very annoying
The funniest thing is when people say “oh, these children that are in that house, constant playing around parents sited on the sofa, teenagers and babies and all of them… oh they’re just like that because if you push something it keeps going for ever if not blocked” – very funny, such things does not exists in TrueVerdits real life.
The scene that I see in that house’s nights, is the same I see lifting up my eyes to sky and seeing the evolutionary lineage. Time blends around the family
Of course scientists use antropomorphism to explain phenomenon, it’s completely natural for people to attribute a will to what’s hard to explain. There are many religious reasons why there is thunder and lightning, why the sun rises and goes down. But we do not believe in Thor or Helios anymore, because we have evidence of the natural laws. Evolution is a natural law. It governs selection, and favours effectivity, fitness, survival, attractiveness. And would explain all your examples.
(…use antropomorphism to explain phenomenon…Evolution is a natural law. It governs selection, and favours effectivity, fitness, survival, attractiveness.”
Not only anthropomorphism, but also, humans beings produces ideas and selects them for justifying their social status, even when they feels predators, feels that are addicts. That’s a sample. Natural selection has discarded fitness, attractiveness, animallist smartness. Where are dinosaurs, lions, eagles, whales? Rats are millions yet
Not quite sure I understand you, but yes, ideas might be the next form of evolution. Therefore the term “memes” exist, to describe memetic genes. DNA is nothing more than information that is modified and improved, while bad versions dissapear. We have seen many religious ideas dissapear, but there seem to be a few that still cling to life.
I am suggesting that the Darwinian mechanisms (Variation,Selection, Inheritance) can be a dangerous thing for atheists here. I think that atheists here are intellectuals, idealists that wish the better future for our next generations. And creationism is not, they approve murderers, corrupts governments, slavery, etc. But, some dictators has used wrong concepts from Darwinism for justifying their actions. Then we need explain, for instance: NS has discarded force, machiavellism, smartness, etc.
@emfederin “There are no arguments for ID until you can show that a D exists”
Evolutionists know design when they see it:
“The adenovirus is a masterpiece of design. Each one has a single aim to breach a cell’s defenses and reach the nucleus.” – BBC “Our Secret Universe… the Cell”
“[The mammalian blood clotting system is] a powerful real-time distributed computing system.” – James Shapiro
“The world of the evolutionist is drenched in the anthropomorphism of intention.” – Michael Ruse
Alan Clarke in reply to emfederin (Show the comment) 7 hours ago
“The adenovirus is a masterpiece of design. Each one has a aim to breach a cell’s defenses and reach the nucleus.”
We agree with the theory that adenovirus must be product of previous design. A bunch of atoms could not perform all that tasks. But we have different theories about the cause of that design. Yours is ID. Mine is Matrix/DNA. The Matrix models are suggesting that virus are packets of informations from Matrix formula Function 5, which is comets in sky and RNA in cells. Show ID model
TheMatrixDNA in reply to Alan Clarke - 1:52 pm – Dec – 05 – 2012
Yes, and evolution computer algorithms clearly show that, “in theory” given a population of randomly replicating replicators and a non-random survival search input, you can achieve results that look like design.
I use such algorithms to generate protein-ligand models that are used as a basis of drug engineering. The program uses “randomness” to search the space of possible solutions to identify the best one. These models are subsequently validated by experimentation.
The input is a randomly generated initial population (100), a scoring function, and a mutation rate that will insert random mutations that are not present in the parents. The program then ranks generation zero, and the bottom 50 are “killed”, the top 50 are randomly mated to create 50 new solution. Novel mutants are inserted into these new solutions (3 per generation) and they are scored and ranked with the parents. Repeat this process 2500 generation, and you get clusters of possible solutions.
Jesus?We know that Julius Caesar existed because there are documents,including those written by Caesar himself,to prove it.The period of Jesus’ life is one of the best documented eras in the ancient world.The Romans were obsessive historians. They wrote down everything. If there had been a “miracle man” wandering around the empire walking on water or raising the dead, you may rest assured we’d have documented evidence of it.Nothing of substance exists. Nothing.Not a shred of worthwhile evidence
OK Bill… In a couple of centuries when our understanding is such that religious belief is gone… What then?
To wake up each day knowing with unyielding certainty that this is going to be one more day in a finite number of days and then that’s it…. Nothing for ever and ever!
Why on Earth would nature give me any sense of self if not to be selfish? Why explore stars that no one will ever visit? Why give my precious and finite moments to anything other than my immediate, self interest?
Why fill your need of sense with an imaginary friend ? Why suppose that this immense universe was put here just for you ? Why think that a supreme being would have a child with a measly human, have it suffer, and then die ?
Nature (or life, whatever) does not owe you a meaning or a sense of fulfillment. We are here for a limited amount of time, it’s up to you to use that time as best you can, according to your own values. You don’t *find* the meaning of life; You make it.
A. You have proved that your understanding is limited in all but your own Eyes. It took a little boy who was ignorant of the knowledge of the Kings invisible clothes to state the glaringly obvious… That the King was naked!
Perhaps you’re too smart to see what is right in front of you! Knowledge without understanding.
B. My nature is to kill you and any one who has stuff I want to take for myself. Nature is utterly selfish. Nature has no conscience. Nature doesn’t judge, It’s just Dog eat Dog!
“My nature is to kill you and any one who has stuff I want to take for myself.”
Really? Thankfully there’s few like you. Most people are rather good-natured, and hardly think about killing people at all. It’s the neighbourly way to live.
Seriously, if you think you’re really a psychopath, go seek help.
> OK Bill… In a couple of centuries when our understanding is such that religious belief is gone… What then? <
Without religion – would there be more or less deaths caused by “My God is the One True God” conflicts? And with the separatism that was allowed to and encouraged to flourish for 400 centuries abandoned, would the world be a worse place to inhabit?
I love the idea of “Darwins Freind” preaching this way when Historically anyone with anything to do with the Dunce Darwin turned out to be a mass murderer, Francis Galton (CD’s Cousin) introduced social Darwinism and an international Eugenics program. His Student Eugen Fischer ran the First German Death camp when Hitler was only six. Later he designed the Nazi death camps after perfecting Cyclon B on 15,000 mental patients. Galton’s friend Margret Sanger (planned parenthood) Sterilized millions
To this day you’ll find no one who has actually read Darwins seminal work but if they did they would discover that it was NOT a book about evolution. It was a book about Malthusian Eugenics or how to breed a better Human. The title gives it away “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”.
Albert Binet developed IQ tests which were introduced into the US in 1906 and started the massive sterilizations of the subnormal!
O artigo é tendencioso – feito por quem tem prévias intenções de defender a fé no criacionismo – portanto não é Ciência Pura. Mas seus argumentos são racionais e baseados em aparente evidências, e arrola vários documentos na lista final, de astronomos profissionais. Preciso agora procurar o contrta-artigo, feito poe defensores da teoria nebular, comentando cada argumento dêste artigo.
O assunto interessa à Matrix/DNA – apesar de que consideramos origens cosmológicas um assunto de relevancia secindária porque estamos mais dedicados a procurar soluções aqui e agora – porque a anatomia comparada nos forçou a calcular modêlos cosmológicos para entender processos e mecanismos naturais atuantes aqui e agora. A contra gôsto tive que desviar tempo da observação da atmo-biosfera na selva amazônica e levantar mais a cabeça e os olhos para fitar a exuberante noite estrelada só possível de ser vista através do ar límpido da selva, pois os principios das fôrças que tentava entender vinham de lá tambem. Mas foi graças a esta obrigação que cheguei á fórmula de sistema natural fechado perfeito e agora tenho que continuar essa busca de conhecimento destas origens longinquas para saber se a fórmula realmente existe ou não.
A formação do sistema solar ainda é um problema não-resolvido pela Matrix/DNA que sugere um modêlo racional para formação de sistemas estelares. Então porque o solar é um problema? Porque a fórmula sugere que existem dois métodos para formação de galaxias e/ou sistemas estelares, assim como há dois métodos para formação de sistemas celulares. Existiu o primeiro método que foi aplicado na formação da primeira célula original e existe o segundo método que é a mera replicação das células existentes. Então não sei se o sistema solar ainda é reultado do primeiro método ou do segundo. Vale lembrar que sistemas estelares, em relação à galaxias, correpondem a átomos, em relação à células. Então quando tiver tempo vou voltar à Teoria da Matrix/DNA na parte em que ela diz: uma nebulosa é composta de átomos, átomos são os mais influentes elementos numa nebulosa disforme, é o mais evoluido design de sistema, portanto, se essa nebulosa for dirigida a se tornar um sistema ela mesma, o design atômico modelará sua formação e o resultado final será o design atômico com mutações devido ao novo ambiente de formação e estas mutações delinearão um sistema que seja àza imagem e semlhança do design atômico. Então para calcular como uma nebulosa oriunda da morte de uma estrela anterior, mesmo que ela continha seu sistema planetario, formou outro sistema estelar, devemos nos basear em como é formado um sistema atômico. parece muito diferente, mas pela lógica, não dever ser tanto.
Raízes Como Consciência Cósmica e Arvores como Consciências Humanas
Muito bom exercicio para desenvolver o intelecto é ler, ao menos, o resumido texto na Wikipedia ( http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aposta_de_Pascal ) ( a versão em Inglês está mais substancial). Mas qual foi a interpretação da Matrix/DNA sôbre êste tópico? Os nossos modêlos sugerem que o Universo é composto por hardware (comprovado) e software ( não comprovado, ainda confuso, mas racionalmente viável e quase inevitável). Viver segundo a sugestão dêstes modêlos é viver apostando na exist6encia de uma superior consciência, na qual, a nossa mente enquanto existindo como humanos, existe como uma espécie de bôlha densa num oceano de consciência cósmica. Se isto estiver errado, talvez percamos um pouco das oportunidades de prazer e poder que a vida curta, real, oferece a alguns ( para muitos, como eu, que nasceu e foi criado como menor abandonado e nunca foi agraciado com alguma dádiva material, não existe livre-arbitrio e portanto não existem tais oportunidades, mas quem nasceu suportado por familias pode ter tais oportunidades). Ainda não avaliei profundamente quais seriam estas perdas. Mas tambem pode ter vantagens, como a de evitar depressões e acessos de furia incontida. Em todo caso, pelo menos imaginando-se existir uma consciência cósmica, deve ser um estado de inteligencia que ajude a ampliar os horizontes da nossa consciência individual, ao sempre nos lembrar que estamos num Universo e não apenas na nossa cidade. E se existe a consciência cósmica, temos que nos lembrar da hierarquia dos sistemas naturais, onde sistemas muito grandes e menos evoluidos como as galaxias, ou possiveis sistemas muito evoluidos em relação ao sistema corpo-humano, podem estarem influenciando através de suas informações flutuando no ar. Se supomos a existência de uma consciência cósmica como um sistema invisivel superior, estaremos sendo acessiveis à penetração de informações livres que dela porventura possam estar vindo. Se não aceitar-mos sus existência, estaríamos criando em volta de nós uma armaduara bloqueante para tais ‘hipotéticas informações.
Quem sou eu?
Porem, penso que devemos fazer algum esforço para não cair no estado de Pascal, um estado religioso produzido pela aceitação da existencia de um Deus e humanamente descrito, pois assim estariamos reduzindo ou afugentando de nós a possível verdadeira consci6encia cósmica. Acho ser melhor não fechar a mente em torno de crenças sôbre propriedades, intenções, comportamentos, etc., dessa consciência cósmica. Nosso pequenino cérebro e recem-nascida consciência ainda não poderia entender nada dessa consci6encia superior. Não vejo em que essa aposta nesta possivel consciência cósmica possa prejudicar nossa qualidade de vida, a não ser, que a falta de escrupulos no gozo total dos prazeres seja uma vantagem e a vida seja apenas esta curta vida. Como disse, êste tópico é mentalmente saudavel, deve-se gastar alguns minutos pensando nêle, não devemos seguir a conclusão e crença de ninguem mais alem de nós mesmos, pois ninguem sabe nada a respeito. Se você não sabe, existem pessoas que creem fielmente nessa consci6encia cósmica e numa versão moderna, mais ou menos bem informada cientificamente, como é o caso de Deepak Choprah. Êle tem website e colunas em conceituados jornais, como o Huffington Post. Ás vêzes estou trombando com seus artigos, alguns, fornecendo alimento para pensamentos. Mas nunca se esquecendo que êle é um ser na busca, tão cego quanto eu. A diferença entre nós é que 6ele acredita na sua cosmovisão e afirma ela tentando impô-la na mente de outras pessoas, enquanto eu tenho mêdo de ser um cego dirigindo outros cegos, pois poderiamos todos cair nos buracos da estrada, e eu seria o responsável, insuportável pêso de consciência. É um tópico muito importante, Pascal foi um grande pensador, e se você tiver informações que possa me ajudar a desenvolver meu lado tambem, agradeço.
In a way, I’m sure it is kind of mean. My area is neuropsych, though, and I intend to study clinical psych (in fact, just got an RA position in a neuropsych and social cognition lab so we’ll see how that goes). From what I understand so far about it, cognitive behavioral therapy is actually fairly difficult and challenging, in that the therapist or clinician challenges the client’s beliefs and cognitions where they are maladaptive.
Living in the jungle I woke up for the salvage chaotic state of this biosphere. All creatures, from any plant to any animal are tortured in this existence. But, then, suddenly we see a beautiful small flower. It seems not belonging to that world. We see a bird nurturing its offspring. We see the tall tree offering flavor fruits. And we see the salvage natives. A mother holding her baby and a male bringing on food to them. This is order lifting up from chaos. This is divine evolution.