An example of the PAH infrared signature (bottom) and two positions in the Iris nebula showing the different types of PAH structures present. The left view shows the kinds of large PAHs that produce most of the emission between the star and distant molecular cloud. The right view samples the region surrounding the star where large PAHs are destroyed by the harsh UV and PAH fragments, smaller PAHs and fullerenes take over. Credits: the NASA Ames
- PAHs (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons)
- PAHs – extremely large molecules by astrochemical standards
- PAH signature across large regions of space, from hot regions of harsh ultraviolet (UV) radiation close to stars, to cold, dark clouds where stars and planets form.
- They found that PAHs changed significantly in size, electrical charge and structure, to adjust to the different environment at each spot in the map.
- the IRIS nebula (NGC 7023) that hosts both the extreme environment of a region close to a star as well as the more shielded, benign environment of a cold molecularcloud.
- The new maps showed that small, electrically neutral, irregularly-shaped PAHs are most important near the cold molecular cloud that is far from the star that excites PAH emission. However, when PAHs move closer to the exciting star and away from the cold cloud, they become large, symmetric and are electrically charged.
- Finally, these large PAHs are themselves broken down, as they are stripped of hydrogen and become small fragments.
-There were two findings that are especially important: the first is that positively-charged, nitrogen-containing PAH cations are needed to complete the match between the correct spectral signature and the observed emission, and the second is that dehydrogenation and fragmentation occur close to the exciting star.
- They represent an important class of prebiotic molecules, which are precursors to life,” said Jesse Bregman, also an astrophysicist at Ames.
(Importante notar: … which strongly supports the connection between mRNA and the corresponding protein structures and indicates that there is protein folding information in nucleic acids that is not present in the genetic code. This might give some additional explanation of codon redundancy.)
A hidden and never before recognized layer of information in the genetic code has been uncovered by a team of scientists at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) thanks to a technique developed at UCSF called ribosome profiling, which enables the measurement of gene activity inside living cells – including the speed with which proteins are made.
By measuring the rate of protein production in bacteria, the team discovered that slight genetic alterations could have a dramatic effect. This was true even for seemingly insignificant genetic changes known as “silent mutations,” which swap out a single DNA letter without changing the ultimate gene product. To their surprise, the scientists found these changes can slow the protein production process to one-tenth of its normal speed or less
As described today in the journal Nature, the speed change is caused by information contained in what are known as redundant codons – small pieces of DNA that form part of the genetic code. They were called “redundant” because they were previously thought to contain duplicative rather than unique instructions.
This new discovery challenges half a century of fundamental assumptions in biology. It may also help speed up the industrial production of proteins, which is crucial for making biofuels and biological drugs used to treat many common diseases, ranging from diabetes to cancer.
“The genetic code has been thought to be redundant, but redundant codons are clearly not identical,” said Jonathan Weissman, PhD, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator in the UCSF School of Medicine Department of Cellular andMolecular Pharmacology
“We didn’t understand much about the rules,” he added, but the new work suggests nature selects among redundant codons based on genetic speed as well as genetic meaning.
Similarly, a person texting a message to a friend might opt to type, “NP” instead of “No problem.” They both mean the same thing, but one is faster to thumb than the other.
How Ribosome Profiling Works
The work addresses an observation scientists have long made that the process protein synthesis, so essential to all living organisms on Earth, is not smooth and uniform, but rather proceeds in fits and starts. Some unknown mechanism seemed to control the speed with which proteins are made, but nobody knew what it was.
To find out, Weissman and UCSF postdoctoral researcher Gene-Wei Li, PhD, drew upon a broader past effort by Weissman and his colleagues to develop a novel laboratory technique called “ribosome profiling,” which allows scientists to examine universally which genes are active in a cell and how fast they are being translated into proteins.
Ribosome profiling takes account of gene activity by pilfering from a cell all the molecular machines known as ribosomes. Typical bacterial cells are filled with hundreds of thousands of these ribosomes, and human cells have even more. They play a key role in life by translating genetic messages into proteins. Isolating them and pulling out all their genetic material allows scientists to see what proteins a cell is making and where they are in the process.
Weissman and Li were able to use this technique to measure the rate of protein synthesis by looking statistically at all the genes being expressed in a bacterial cell.
They found that proteins made from genes containing particular sequences (referred to technically as Shine-Dalgarno sequences) were produced more slowly than identical proteins made from genes with different but redundant codons. They showed that they could introduce pauses into protein production by introducing such sequences into genes.
What the scientists hypothesize is that the pausing exists as part of a regulatory mechanism that ensures proper checks – so that cells don’t produce proteins at the wrong time or in the wrong abundance.
A Primer on DNA Codons
All life on earth relies on the storage of genetic information in DNA (or in the case of some viruses, RNA) and the expression of that DNA into proteins to build the components of cells and carry out all life’s genetic instructions.
Every living cell in every tissue inside every organism on Earth is constantly expressing genes and translating them into proteins-from our earliest to our dying days. A significant amount of the energy we burn fuels nothing more than this fundamental process.
The genetic code is basically a universal set of instructions for translating DNA into proteins. DNA genes are composed of four types of molecules, known as bases or nucleotides (often represented by the four letters A, G, T and C). But proteins are strings of 20 different types of amino acids.
To code for all 20 amino acids, the genetic code calls for genes to be expressed by reading groups of three letters of DNA at a time for every one amino acid in a protein. These triplets of DNA letters are called codons. But because there are 64 possible ways to arrange three bases of DNA together – and only 20 amino acids used by life – the number of codons exceeds the demand. So several of these 64 codons code for the same amino acid.
Scientists have known about this redundancy for 50 years, but in recent years, as more and more genomes from creatures as diverse as domestic dogs to wild rice have been decoded, scientists have come to appreciate that not all redundant codons are equal.
Many organisms have a clear preference for one type of codon over another, even though the end result is the same. This begged the question the new research answered: if redundant codons do the same thing, why would nature prefer one to the other?
The article, “The anti-Shine-Dalgarno sequence drives translational pausing and codon choice in bacteria,” by Gene-Wei Li, Eugene Oh, and Jonathan S. Weissman, was published by the journal Nature on March 28.
The anti-Shine–Dalgarno sequence drives translational pausing and codon choice in bacteria
Nature -484, 538–541 doi:10.1038/nature10965 – Published online – 28 March 2012
Protein synthesis by ribosomes takes place on a linear substrate but at non-uniform speeds. Transient pausing of ribosomes can affect a variety of co-translational processes, including protein targeting and folding1. These pauses are influenced by the sequence of the messenger RNA2. Thus, redundancy in the genetic code allows the same protein to be translated at different rates. However, our knowledge of both the position and the mechanism of translational pausing in vivo is highly limited. Here we present a genome-wide analysis of translational pausing in bacteria by ribosome profiling—deep sequencing of ribosome-protected mRNA fragments3, 4, 5. This approach enables the high-resolution measurement of ribosome density profiles along most transcripts at unperturbed, endogenous expression levels. Unexpectedly, we found that codons decoded by rare transfer RNAs do not lead to slow translation under nutrient-rich conditions. Instead, Shine–Dalgarno-(SD)6-like features within coding sequences cause pervasive translational pausing. Using an orthogonal ribosome7, 8 possessing an altered anti-SD sequence, we show that pausing is due to hybridization between the mRNA and 16S ribosomal RNA of the translating ribosome. In protein-coding sequences, internal SD sequences are disfavoured, which leads to biased usage, avoiding codons and codon pairs that resemble canonical SD sites. Our results indicate that internal SD-like sequences are a major determinant of translation rates and a global driving force for the coding of bacterial genomes
The Shine-Dalgarno sequence (or Shine-Dalgarno box), proposed by Australian scientists John Shine (b.1946) and Lynn Dalgarno (b.1935),[1] is a ribosomal binding site in the mRNA, generally located 8 bases upstream of the start codon AUG. The Shine-Dalgarno sequence exists both in bacteria and archaea, being also present in some chloroplastic and mitochondial transcripts. The six-base consensus sequence is AGGAGG; in E. coli, for example, the sequence is AGGAGGU. This sequence helps recruit the ribosome to the mRNA to initiate protein synthesis by aligning it with the start codon. The complementary sequence (UCCUCC), is called the anti-Shine-Dalgarno sequence and is located at the 3′ end of the 16SrRNA in the ribosome. The eukaryotic equivalent of the Shine-Dalgarno sequence is called the Kozak sequence.
Mutations in the Shine-Dalgarno sequence can reduce translation. This reduction is due to a reduced mRNA-ribosome pairing efficiency, as evidenced by the fact that complementary mutations in the anti-Shine-Dalgarno sequence can restore translation.
The Shine-Dalgarno sequence GAGG dominates in bacteriophage T4 early genes, whereas the sequence GGAG is a target for the T4 endonuclease RegB that initiates the early mRNA degradation.[2]
When the Shine-Dalgarno sequence and anti-Shine-Dalgarno sequence pair, the translation initiation factorsIF2-GTP, IF1, IF3, as well as the initiator tRNA fMet-tRNA(fmet) are recruited to the ribosome.
The ribosomal S1 protein in Gram-negative bacteria [edit]
In Gram-negative bacteria, the presence of a Shine-Dalgarno sequence is not obligatory for the ribosome to locate the initiator codon. Numerous prokaryotic mRNAs don’t possess Shine-Dalgarno sequences at all: ribosomal protein S1, which binds to AU-rich sequences found in many prokaryotic mRNAs 15-30 nucleotides upstream of start-codon, can instigate translation initiation in the case of these mRNAs.
Although plastids are prokaryotic descendants and still have their prokaryotic translational machinery, SD-like sequences are not required at least in green alga Chlamydomonas reinhardtiichloroplasts according to a study.[3]
The Kozak consensus sequence, Kozak consensus or Kozak sequence, is a sequence which occurs on eukaryoticmRNA and has the consensus(gcc)gccRccAUGG. The Kozak consensus sequence plays a major role in the initiation of the translation process.[1] The sequence was named after the person who brought it to prominence, Marilyn Kozak.
The sequence is identified by the notation (gcc)gccRccAUGG, which summarizes data analysed by Kozak from a wide variety of sources (about 699 in all)[2] as follows:
a lower case letter denotes the most common base at a position where the base can nevertheless vary;
upper case letters indicate highly-conserved bases, i.e. the ‘AUGG’ sequence is constant or rarely, if ever, changes, with the exception being the IUPAC ambiguity code [3] ’R’ which indicates that a purine (adenine or guanine) is always observed at this position (with adenine being claimed by Kozak to be more frequent); and
the sequence in brackets ((gcc)) is of uncertain significance.
Como a Matrix une evolucao do macrotempo cosmologico com o microtempo biologico no DNA
Kozak’s paper was limited to a subset of vertebrates (i.e. human, cow, cat, dog, chicken, guinea pig, hamster, mouse, pig, rabbit, sheep, and xenopus)
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The anti-Shine–Dalgarno sequence drives translational pausing and codon choice in bacteria
Gene-Wei Li1 - , Eugene Oh1 & Jonathan S. Weissman1
- Protein synthesis by ribosomes takes place on a linear substrate but at non-uniform speeds.Transient pausing of ribosomes can affect a variety of co-translational processes, including protein targeting and folding1
- These pauses are influenced by the sequence of the messenger RNA2
-. Thus, redundancy in the genetic code allows the same protein to be translated at different rates
- Unexpectedly, we found that codons decoded by rare transfer RNAsdo not lead to slow translation under nutrient-rich conditions.
- Instead, Shine–Dalgarno-(SD)6 -like features within coding sequences cause pervasive translational pausing
- Using an orthogonal ribosome7,8 possessing an altered anti-SD sequence, we show that pausing is due to hybridization between the mRNA and 16S ribosomal RNA of the translating ribosome
- In protein-coding sequences, internal SD sequences are disfavoured, which leads to biased usage, avoiding codons and codon pairs that resemble canonical SD sites.
- Our results indicate that internal SDlike sequences are a major determinant of translation rates and a global driving force for the coding of bacterial genomes.
-established that different mRNAs could be translated with different elongation rates
- there was a clear correspondence on individual transcripts between SD-like sequences and pauses.
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Editor’s summary
Keeping protein synthesis on track
The rate of protein synthesis by the ribosome can be influenced by various intrinsic and extrinsic factors, such as structure in the messenger RNA and the actions of RNA binding proteins. As a result, translation is subject to transient pausing. This study provides a genome-wide view of the locations of ribosome pausing in bacteria. The most common origin of pausing is found to be hybridization between the ribosomal RNA and internal sequences of the mRNA that are similar to the Shine–Dalgarno element that serves as the entry point for the ribosome. To prevent their interference with translation, such Shine–Dalgarno-like elements are underrepresented in protein-coding sequences, accounting for some of the observed bias in codon usage. These results have implications both for our basic understanding of protein synthesis and for practical efforts to express recombinant proteins.
O atual paradigma no pensamento cientifico sobre como a Vida se originou na Terra é a teoria do RNA-world (o mundo do RNA) sugerindo que primeiro se formou a molécula RNA, e as proteínas teriam vindo a seguir. Agora a equipe do Professor Michael Blaber, da Florida State University of Medicine produziu dados que suportam a nova ideia de que não o RNA, mas sim que os 10 tipos de aminoácidos que existiam no ambiente inorgânico e produzidos por meras reações químicas teriam sido capazes de formar proteínas em ambientes com elevado teor de sal. Lembre-se que os seres vivos são formados por 20 tipos de aminoácidos dos quais, 10 tipos formaram-se junto com a formação do sistema solar, muito antes das origens da vida, e os outros 10 apenas se formam com síntese biológica, depois da emergência dos compostos orgânicos. Porque… é o que a Matrix/DNA vai explicar a seguir.
Fig.1 – A esquerda um filamento inicial de aminoácidos sem função biológica, e a direita a forma tridimensional que adquirem apos o processo de enovelamento ou dobramento (folding).
O dobramento de proteínas é um processo químico através do qual a estrutura de uma proteína assume a sua configuração funcional. Todas as moléculas de proteínas são cadeias heterogêneas não-ramificadas de aminoácidos. Ao dobrar e enrolar-se para tomar uma forma tridimensional específica, as proteínas são capazes de realizar a sua função biológica. Muitas proteínas fazem-no espontaneamente durante ou após a sua síntese no interior das células. Apesar destas macromoléculas aparentarem estar a dobrar-se a si mesmas, de facto a sua dobragem depende em grande medida das características da solução que as rodeia, incluindo o tipo de solvente primário (no interior das células é água ou lípidos), da concentração dos sais, da temperatura e das moléculas que a rodeiam. Mas nunca foi observado o enovelamento dos 10 primeiros aminoácidos e acredita-se que estes aminoácidos primitivos não eram capazes de fazer o enovelamento. O que a equipe do Professor Braber diz estar produzindo seria a prova de que eles podiam faze-lo, ao menos quando estão em soluções com alto teor salinico.
Ora, se os primitivos aminoácidos podiam se enovelar, se tornariam proteínas biologicamente funcionais, e como eles existiam antes do RNA, então teríamos que mudar o paradigma do RNA-world para o Protein-world. E como estes 10 primitivos aminoácidos formados junto com o sistema solar tem sido encontrados em meteoritos vindo do espaço… a Vida pode existir em outros mundos…
Mas porque 10 aminoácidos - justamente a metade dos que formam os seres vivos – podem se formarem nas origens de sistemas estelares, mesmo antes da formação de planetas, e os outros 10 apenas se formam depois que aos 10 primeiros se juntarem outras moléculas tais como o RNA… Apenas os modelos da Matrix/DNA previram isso e explica racionalmente.
Vejamos a formula da Matrix (Fig 2):
E o desenho do circuito do fluxo interno de informação da fórmula da Matrix/DNA na sua versão de sistema perfeito fechado, na forma de diagrama de software
E vejamos a formula organizando a materia em building blocks de galaxias primitivas, depois em aminoácidos depois nucleotídeos depois células… (Fig. 3)
Matrix/DNA: O template para todos os sistemas naturais, de átomos a nucleotídeos a galáxias e células. O circuíto energético padrão.
E por fim seres humanos (Fig. 4)
Human and Celestial Primordial Body Lifes Cycles – Matrix/DNA Theory
Os modelos da Matrix/DNA estão sugerindo que a metade (50%) das informações para a formação de sistemas biológicos vem das reações nucleares dos núcleos planetários e a outra metade vem das radiações das estrelas como o Sol. Estas informações vem na forma de fótons e os planetas expressam como dominantes as informações do trecho entre F1 e F4, enquanto as estrelas expressam de F6 a F1 ( como tem efeito retardado, a F5 deve chegar ao tempo do segundo grupo). Os 10 primitivos aminoácidos foram formados por uma estrela, nem planetas existiam ainda, o que sugere serem do segundo grupo. Mas justamente neste grupo que compreende a face direita da Matrix é o campo da entropia degenerativa, quando as peças dos sistemas iniciam sua queda energética tendem a oxidar, desmanchar, e não formar estruturas firmes, a qual eve a função do primeiro grupo, com sua energia ascendente. os outros 10 aminoácidos devem ter formado pedaços firmes de sistemas e coincidiram com o aparecimento do RNA, o qual eve o representante da Função 5 que tem a função reprodutiva, a qual apenas se expressa quando o grupo um já esta formado. Se a Matrix estiver certa, o Prof. Blaber esta equivocado em sua teoria ( tanto que ate agora ele apenas conseguiu um principio de enovelamento com o minimo de 12 diferentes aminoácidos nunca com os 10 primitivos apenas. Mas a teoria do RNA-world também seria equivocada, pois sem proteínas enoveladas o RNA sequer surgiria e nada poderia fazer. Mas vamos continuar esta pesquisa… (Mais informações muito importantes devem ser lidas no artigo do link acima).
Dawkins, like Darwin, had reduced the Universe into terrestrial events for analyzing biological history. They conclude by evolution and tried to identify its mechanisms. But… a microbe living inside a womb watching the embryogenese of a human fetus should conclude by evolution. We, outside the womb knows that evolution is not the ultimate event, it is “reproduction”. Amplifying our vision to the time/space of universal history leads us to see reproduction of Universes with another mechanisms.
Universe is not magic,he can’t create new information from nothing. So, he only can make a new thing, system, by the same process he was made. He can’t invent from nothing new information for other kind of process. We are a new system, so, if we want to know how the Universe was made, we have the process by which we were made. Our body started with a Big Bang, explosion of spermatozoon from initial singularity. What’s was before our fecundation? Another thing like us, conscious, natural. So?
Living in the jungle I woke up for the salvage chaotic state of this biosphere. All creatures, from any plant to any animal are tortured in this existence. But, then, suddenly we see a beautiful small flower. It seems not belonging to that world. We see a bird nurturing its offspring. We see the tall tree offering flavor fruits. And we see the salvage natives. A mother holding her baby and a male bringing on food to them. This is order lifting up from chaos. This is divine evolution.
Creation plus Evolution is a process much more complex than all guys are thinking here. The deeper template where natural history is established is the history of light light and dark light, ( vibrations popping out of a membrane of nothing that separates different worlds). Matter only is adjusted over this template. Driven by this universal force, biological systems (aka life) evolves in relation to Earth and degenerates in relation to this galactic system. The source of light is creation.
Thanks America! This debate is signal that a collective mind of a whole Nation has the courage to face its inner conflicts, thinking about then, suffering the pain of self-correction,but just it keeps the strong creative power of this great nation. What’s about the European and the Asian religious countries, South America, etc., which already discovered the ultimate “Truth” and has no capacity for fix what is sure wrong? There is no such debate. Yours voluntary suffering here is an heroic act!
What’s beyond the Membrane of Nothing?! The astonished idea coming from Theoretical Science, is Lawrence’s “something from nothing”. Since that Matrix/DNA calculations arrived to the astonishing idea that the seven frequencies of electric-magnetic spectrum of lightwaves are the source that imprints the vital cycle, life, into matter, we are searching the source of this natural light. The unique situation where things emerges is through membranes, then, I think there is a Membrane of Nothing.
NoGoodScienceForYou is here suggesting a video ( /watch?v=HRyXauc0h04) which uses real scientific reality as propaganda for his theory. I think the best education for children is showing the images of reality but, being careful self-watching for not using any kind of concepts related to adult’s interpretations, no imposition of theories. I could make a video with same images having in parallel images of spermatozoons as comets, oocyte as nuclear black holes, etc. This is for philosophy class.
Creationists frequently are using the probability calculus for refuting the odds of evolution and evolutionists are using the same calculus for reinforce the odds produced by chance. Both are wrong. The “individual” evolution of a new being inside a womb is driven by the external environment (human species as the non-intelligent designer) which acts internally (through DNA) and externally. Biological evolution is being driven by an yet unknown external environment, probabilities does not applies.
Creationist woman – “My grandfather was not a monkey!”
Lawrence Krauss – ” Well… yours case is not so clear… ” (maybe a pork?)
Evolutionists could be more intelligent if they explain the real state of Science today. All known facts suggests strongly the physical body of human beings came from primates. But Neurology – the field really expert in this matter – says that it still does not found how neurons produces thoughts and how they are related to human mind. This is hope for dignity
No. Biological Evolution is a point of time/space located at the long chain of causes and effects started with the Big Bang beginning with particles evolution, atomic and Cosmological Evolution. All forces of Biology were there at the last non-biological ancestor, the top pf cosmological evolution and I can show you where. But… we don’t know if the very seen steps of evolution is universal evolution or merely reproduction of universes.
GoodScienceForYou: “Mitochondria in most species has lost over 1200 complete genes”
And you says it is due degeneration from Adam’s DNA. You have a point, you are right. Adam was a closed selfish astronomical system, also called LUCA, his DNA was the formula of Universal Matrix. The decay or Fall of Adam into the microscope shape of biological system due entropy was a change from closed to opened system. Mitochondria tried to close it doing photosynthesis, and got it as cell plants.
About the graphic made at “evolution-is-degeneration dot ComSindex dot asp?PaginaID =1102″
Matrix/DNA:The graphic doesn”t shows a complete period of micro-evolution, nothing about universal evolution. Biological systems are result of the decay of astronomicals systems described by Newtonian mechanics plus Relativity plus Quantum Mechanics theories composing a quasi-perfect closed system, half-alive. This “evolution” has been reproduction of that ancestor
As introduction, they says: evolution theory says all life has started as single cell organisms”
TheMatrixDNA: It is wrong. There is no separation of life and no-life when talking about natural systems. Then, “life” has not started as single cell organisms. Biological systems (aka, “life”) had all principles of its forces, elements and properties inside atomic, astronomical systems, expressed or not. See them at Matrix/DNA models.
Peer reviewed scientific paper shows there hasn’t been enough time in the history of the universe for evolution to take place.
Journal BIO-Complexity, “Time and Information in Evolution,” Winston Ewert, Ann Gauger, William Dembski, and Robert J. Marks, II once again show that a mathematical simulation of evolution doesn’t model biologically realistic processes of Darwinian evolution at all.
This debate between Dembski team and Ewens team will not be solved while Humanity doesn’t know the entire context that affects our biosphere and living things. The existence of biological systems is not due a simultaneous act of magical creation neither a long process obeying natural selection as agent of immediate environmental changes. For instance, the process of Earth nuclear reactions and Sun’s reactions are stronger forces composing NS, any change there means changes here. See Matrix/DNA
Evolution has been destroyed and is now in the level of archaic mythological science. These priests of the past faith based pseudo science will be known for how they retarded biology and any progress towards cures for diseases. They’ll be mocked as they should be.
NOT ONE cure has ever come from the medical industry! We have rampant NEW genetic diseases eating away at us and killing our babies.
The rise in genetic diseases under their watch is horrendous. thanks to this Evodelusionism. LOOK!
The souls of the creators of the Selfish Paradise, Adam and Eve, that remains at Earth in shape of humans, are joined around the creationist world view, has been corrected. These people wants to reproduce at Earth the falling paradise, but they reserves to them the residence at the palace, while all other humans beings should be the slaves. You can see the design of that Paradise at Matrix/DNA Theory: You see Adam and Eve, the serpent, the tree, the apple, the Fall, and you will know the truth
I’m very glad to hear that you got saved. I certainly agree that the effects of Evolutionist propaganda are tragic. We need to fight for what’s true, but I don’t think comments on a YouTube video are exactly the frontlines I’m looking for.
(For Evolutionists reading this comment: yes, spreading Evolutionism is only tragic from my Creationist viewpoint.)
The effects of Judaism and its Bible and its production as Christianism approving human slavery, sharing Humanity into predators and preys, and as Islam, the violence that never ends, are most tragic. You are a bad human when propagating that anti-Humanity book. It is rational to suppose that there is some thing as God, but one needs never forgetting the size of this Universe, then, giving to a “possible God” his real dimensions above the Universe. The bible stupidly reduces Reason and God
The earliest writings on that subject come from the satanist Helena Blavatsky. She was busted several times scamming people and making up history. I take it you believe in her channeled demonic writings or one of the copycat offshoots like Zeitgeist the movie. The history lesion in Zeitgeist comes from Blavatsky’s imagination.
Yeahh… Blavatsky, a woman that challenged the Russian status quo established by imperators supported by arm and religion, a woman that abandoned a powerful Russian military husband, for travelling alone to Tibet searching other kind of knowledge. Was she a satanist? You, as supporter of an established power ruling at Vatican, unable to challenge the status quo, that had enslaved populations inside industries, is a saint? I prefer Blavatsky.
I have thought that the Earth is an amusement park. Where beings come, inhabit us and share our life experiences, feelings, etc. I’m not sure if the science fiction story has been written or not..
Your thought maybe is right, but, it includes the supposition that should have a parallel spiritual Universe, is it right? If so, I remember that there is no evidence/comparative parameters here for parallels universes and spiritual existences. Why not thinking that those beings that come, inhabit us, are really bubbles of consciousnesses that pops out of this planetary matter? Think about computers: software (as bubbles of intelligence) and hardware (material living bodies) in feed-back.
I think it is not “my philosophy” because it is a normal natural effect given some circumstances. Any one, included you, should get the same world vision if – known the modern scientific data and with single scientific tools – go to live in some virgin jungle by 4 or 7 years. It is the jungle that produces this philosophy over modern hard-wired brain by scholar education. But Darwin took 30 years for written a book, the jungle is big, there are lots of data, I need doing lots of work yet.
There is no evolution. There is no evidence for it. Not one species had evolved more complexity. You are a liar and are part of the denial of humans and their compulsions that destroy not only human lives but all life on earth. Putting your faith in humans has never worked. Why are you so stupid you want to thing now is different. They have killed so many people in the name of some idea.
Maybe you are right. Maybe there is no evolution inside this Universe. Millions of generations of hypothetical intelligent particles living 17 seconds each one and inside a fecundated ovum should watch the steps of evolution from single zygote to a human embryo believing that was watching evolution. We, outside their “universe” knows that it is “reproduction”. Maybe we are watching and working the reproduction of the son of some god. But… for while, we are watching evolution, that’s reality.
Changing the faith in humans for faith in supernatural ghosts produces the preys (95% of world population?) and hating humans by loving the salvage past animalism inheritance produces predators (the 1%?). Why human beings has followed these stupid millennial social models, shared into salvage capitalism, salvage communism, etc? It is the work of the “serpent” that convinced “Eve” in the “Paradise”. It is the stupid universal material tendency to be extreme selfish closed system. Not humanism…
“There are millions of single celled species that never evolved into multicellular organisms.” Exactly and that means there is no evidence of any form of advancement from a single cell to 2 cells with the new cells performing new functions. Thanks.
Don’t you know embryogenesis?! Fecundation, zygote, meiosis, morula…etc? You need learn something new, but for doing it, you need change your magic supernatural ghost creator in the sky by the real, natural, creator in the sky. Functions comes in two types: the systemic function (which is the effect over the external world from the projection of the shape of the whole system) and internal systemic function, which is related to each part of a system. There are different expressions of (cont.)
of internal functions and each system has its tendency expressed by the most strong expressed part. Any bit of external change makes changes at internal expressions. The interactions between internal parts creates infinite numbers of internal functions, called “fuzzy logic”. The initial process of eukaryotes merely replicating its cells is the first phase of biological evolution mimicking the process by which stars, galaxies are replicated, by self-recycling (see Matrix/DNA models)
“I want you to find one positive mutation ever found in the human genome.”
The Matrix/DNA models explains how and why the genome is continually mutated. The fundamental unit of information which is the building block of RNA/DNA is a bi-lateral pair of nucleotides, which is the biological microscopic counterpart of the building block that came evolving from quantum vortexes after Big Bang, to atoms to galaxies. This universal “matrix” diversifies into infinite different kinds of nucleotides
Medical science is going away off the beam due Biology being seen as separated from Physics. It’s the same that one try to understand the existence of human body composed by flesh organs and substance without the skeleton and nervous systems which are related to the entity of natural systems. They had separated Universal Evolution into two blocks, with no evolutionary links between them. The abysmal hole created between two blocks are being fulfilled with the myth of absolute randomness.
I use evidence and the DNA is fantastic evidence for only DE-EVOLUTION.. All creatures are losing gene functions and we can easily see this in the DNA. Fossilization is not rare. We have samples of over 200 million fossils from most creatures that have ever lived. WE have 88% of the non bird, NOW LIVING, vertebrates as fossils and the original looks FAR more fit than what we see now. Go look! You cannot use faith and belief!!
This has to be the dumbest argument for evolution of all of them.
The famous laryngeal nerve “evidence”. If the path of this nerve is not optimal then God is a screw up.
The fact that “evolution” only leads to screw ups from the original far more fit condition means that the laryngeal nerve is evidence for genetic dysfunctions of original “engineering” when the nerve was in a much shorter path at one time and “Evotards” still don’t fully know the purpose of this nerve.
We know. The purpose of this nerve is transforming chemical operations for connections between organism’s organs into sounds waves (voice) for connecting separated brains into a whole Humanist system. When you need transformations of signal waves you need apply quantum superposition and following separation. Then, the left and right nerves superposed makes the complete circuit of an established system, and when are separated they can be turned into a new different system. But…this is complex
In the first paragraph they clearly define “anti-evolution” or loss of good genetic engineering as the creatures “degrade” from the more “optimal” to the “suboptimal”.
This is the MOST compelling evidence for anti-evolution or gradual degrading of the best genetic engineering to the more defective genetic engineering we see today that I have ever seen and that we can see today.
The problem is that yours “more optimal” is good for stupid monkeys, but unsupportable for who has some intelligence. Yours optimal is called “Adam’s DNA”, a creature that was living like a stupid monkey eternally at a garden full of animals and plants. Any intelligent being would prefer the suicide, if they think that would be condemned to that life by all eternity. Thankfully had the Fall, the “Adam” genetic degradation, even that we were condemned to beginning as microscope cell here
The famous The Left Recurrent Laryngeal Nerve is totally evidence for genetic degradation. These people are “nuts” by the way in not being able to see the obvious, because they are brainwashed into seeing things BACKWARDS.
You are still blind to the deeper secrets of Nature Why the left RLN os different from the right RLN? This question makes no sense, there is no right and left nerves, there is a complete circuit of a system, separated into two slices. Make the superposition of those two nerves… you gets a complete circle. Why they makes a circle and why the left has several branches? Well… see the Matrix/DNA formula for natural systems, you will understand everything. No degradation
There are only a very few amino acids available to make living tissue from, so OF COURSE it will be used in different creatures to make similar body parts.
Look at the amino acids chart and tell me how many do you see? (20)
We live on a tiny finite little planet with fixed resources.
We do not have infinite resources to build body tissue from.
Drive your eyes down to look to those 20 aminoacids and now drive yours eyes up to see the galaxy, the Universe, that produced them. Ask “why”, “how”, “for what”? Do you see the evolution of aminoacids? First step: Carbon is called by Nature to be the central atom. Why? Because Nature has several different faces, states, and our astronomical system was standing at the specific state as closed perfect natural system. Which is composed by six universal functions. Just carbon atomic number. So on..
“protein functional redundancy… our tiny finite little planet with fixed resources.”
This doesn’t means that life was tunelled due intelligent design. Proteins are slices of a kind of complete systemic circuit – the system around us – so the slices are limited in number. Planets has limited variations, resources, because limited is the specific state of Nature that produced them. But biological systems (aka, “life”) are just a rebellion against the creator system, so, open for mutations
It is ridiculous crap “pseudo science” and a stretch of the imagination.
It goes along with the idea that fools think that any similarity of use, appearance can only mean a direct genetic linage link.
This is utterly ridiculous and in fact all that we have seen of this idea in fossils of the “ancient version” of the creature are shown to have far more usable features and the “homology” becomes more complex as you go back in time.
I was “informed ” yesterday that Darwin was wrong in places and so they changed it to whatever the heck they wanted.Even when I said Thats what I was taught in school they said I was wrong…and that was only 35 years ago.So arguing “evolution ” is pointless, as they now believe SOMETHING else.Bit sad really.They dispute their own “simple to complex” .. if youcan believe that…apparently it goes BOTH ways now….very sad.
While Naturalists are struggling trying to understand this world, trying to discover mechanisms and processes that can be transformed into technology for increasing Humanity power, spiritualists are criticizing them, being obstacles to their job?! No spirits and supernatural beings has made anything good for human kind till now and still 95% of our brothers in species are being tortured in this stupid conditions of life. Evolution is the idea that arose from a man that sacrificed his life for us
I was “informed ” yesterday that Darwin was wrong in places and so they changed it to whatever the heck they wanted.Even when I said Thats what I was taught in school they said I was wrong…and that was only 35 years ago.So arguing “evolution ” is pointless, as they now believe SOMETHING else.Bit sad really.They dispute their own “simple to complex” .. if youcan believe that…apparently it goes BOTH ways now….very sad.
That’s the cause we agnostics prefers the naturalist/rationalist community than the religious community. Our life experience as humans at Earth have been too much bad, our dream is to change everything. The naturalists woks in rhythm of changes, while creationists are conservationist of this stupid “status quo”, so, they are obstacles and unuseful.
Even the “father” of evolution mentioned sripulations under which evolution could not be true. Those stipulations were met. Darwin discredited evolution in his own words. But you all havent actually taken any time to study it, you just assume blindly.
Why aren’t you honesty and respectful enough? If you want to destroy the worldvision of a man due you think it has bad effects, what you should do? Repeat his experiments, contest his evidences. Take a ship and go by 4 years facing the hell in a salvage world, do observations by yourself, applying the modern knowledge, show what was wrong with Darwin idea. Or do you want to refute such sacrificial heroic job standing under air conditioned? Taking Reason off Nature by magical thinking is easier
Christianity is a theory by the real definition of “theory” by the Greeks that coined the word. It is not a theory by scientific definition, but here is not a scientific community congress, it is a public debate. Theory is “a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking”- Wikipedia. Christianism is product of earlier human consciousnesses recently formed as any modern baby impregnates its surroundings with magics and ghosts friends.
Both can not equating at the same plane as the operations of a baby brain (Bible authors) is not the operations of a teenager brain (Darwin). All big religious theories were built from an unique source: the real little world seen by an infant intelligence plus flashes of memories popping up in the baby brain about a not seen but lived womb’s world. Ancient founders of all religions were visionaries (embryos) that had real visions about the womb were our ancestors shapes lived: the Cosmos.
You will not believe in my narrative as I don’t believe in it, I am still searching a better explanation as skeptical that I am. The narrative is: a native xaman living in Amazon jungle 30 years ago, with altered state of mind due their beverages, described visions of black holes and cosmogony identical to descriptions of black holes and cosmogony seen at Blavatsky books about “The Secret Doctrine”, or “theosophy” made by ancient eastern 5.000 years ago. I have a theory about: same baby brains
Yes, Christianity is not rational in the sense that Reason must be a natural product of nature. But… the non-rational productions of Bible’s authors can be rationally understood, using an analogy: the excessive installations of an industry is used to produce different sub-products. My theory is that the fusion of Chrom-2 suddenly produced an abrupt augment of cerebral mass beyond the normal installation that should be produced by the normal evolutionary chain. Earlier hominids had imaginations
I an sorry that I am not finding now a recently published paper showing that human fetus suddenly produces neurons twice more fast than apes/monkeys fetus. I think it is a good evidence for this theory about the development of consciousness at the level of the human species, when I separated the stages of its evolution between babies/teenagers/adults shapes. But… why still there are people that believes in the Bible, which was a baby’s minded production? Missing education, denial to be adult?
I honestly don’t know what to think. The idea that there’s a guy upstairs pulling all the strings sounds silly, and completely illogical, yet for macro-evolution contradicts itself in more ways than one.
While it makes absolutely no sense how or why we’d choose to go back to primal technology after conquering the galaxy, the only thing I’m truly comfortable with is that we developed on another distant planet and migrated to earth.
Yes, makes no sense the idea of some intelligent powerful being responsible by this chaotic biosphere and the struggle for species to become powerful. And makes no sense that an intelligence in shape of quasi-apes after conquering galaxies with high technology arrived here forgetting all that technology. The unique explanation that makes sense to me is Matrix/DNA Theory. Intelligence was merely potential at ancestors that were, themselves, the building block of any shape of natural systems.
Biological evolution is merely a micro-evolutionary cycle which must be added to lots of others micro-cycles and finally composing the Universal Evolution, from the extreme singularity resumed to a central point towards complexity expanded to astronomical size. How should you call the period of evolution that goes from yours body shape as teenager until the final shape of adult? As biological systems we are one transitional shape of a universal system that evolves by vital cycle process.
Things does not change by themselves from simple to complicated, this should be creating new information from nothing, by magics. But there are things like atomic, astronomic, biological systems that changes from simple to complex, at individual and populations levels. Individual occurs at embryogenesis, a body transforming from extreme singularity to complex. The mystery is that this world has a hierarchy of systems and you are not seeing the system the informations are coming from.
Panspermia only transfers the question how biological systems arose, from Earth to other astronomical body. The natural elements and informations for transforming non-organic into organic and electric-magnetic-mechanical systems into biological systems does not arises by magics or absolutely randomness. Those necessary and enough for building biologicals must come from a stellar system described by Newtonian mechanics turned into half-biological galaxy, as described by Matrix/DNA Theory.
@”Panspermia only transfers the question how biological systems arose, from Earth to other astronomical body”
And there you have it, folks.
You see this, soullessdeity?
Even matrixdna, world-class expert at butchering logic, reason and lucidity, not only completely understands the inherent conflict contained in your ridiculous statement, but can even state it on a level that approaches eloquence.
That alone should have you burying your head in utter shame.
I don’t understand why posts like yours are being flagged as spam. You, as everybody, has the right to express opinions, we are debating theories, one can read or ignore what he/she doesn’t like. This is not honesty. About logic I do my best advocating the logics that I learned from nude. virgin, salvage Nature living 7 years at Amazon jungle were was elaborated Matrix/DNA worldvision. Conflicts with modern scholar logic is an issue to be solved by time, not by us. Who is away off the beam?
Look! There are trees. Someone must have designed them. See? Tree elves are real and great designers engineering trees for everyone. How else did trees get here, if not by the mysterious powers of the chief tree elf?
Yes, trees were designed. Genetically, by transmission of “Matrix/DNA” from their creators…living in the sky. Trees are the same image of galaxies.The trunk represents the central nuclear axis. The branches are the galaxy’s arms. The leaves are the planets. The yellow fruits pending on the arms are the stars. The plant cell is the biological tendency to reproduce the closed astronomical system with chloroplasts making photosynthesis linking the cell to the star, which is an evolution-stopper.
Question: why can’t humans create a self replicating machine? We can’t even create a machine that can eat breakfast. Intelligent designing humans can’t come close to the technology, complexity, efficiency, eloquence, etc of any type of life. Why would random chance processes be better able to produce life (even when the laws of physics, entropy, are against their natural creation?). I’m interested in an intelligent response! Do you have one?
“Machine” and “life” are cultural symbols used for describing real states and details of Nature. We learn mechanisms, processes existing at Nature and we see matter organized as working systems. Our technology is mimicking natural phenomena, sometimes applying fuzzy logics, mixing mechanisms and materials from different phenomena and producing new arrangements. We produces “machines” because our limited sensors and brain capability see only mechanical and biological aspects of natural systems.
If you want to debate your theory about this yet unknown world first of all you need be honest and a method. You post this exactly post here yesterday, got several answers, now answers that answers.
Could you elaborate this information? Are you referring to synthetic molecules, like those from Craig Venter? Matrix/DNA is researching the extensive already published papers related to NASA research of self-replicating robots, but any additional information about other sectors will be welcome.
NASA has a sector dedicated to study self-replicating machines. The goal is sending robots like Curiosity to other astronomical bodies, self-replicating robots that could use the matter of those bodies for populating the astro, maybe extracting some valorous mineral, etc. I am preparing a descriptive suggestion because the Matrix/DNA models arrive to a theoretical formula, a software’s diagram about a natural self-replicating machine. It is about the Newtonian mechanics aspect of systems
The same question would have been asked as to why humans can’t get to the moon a hundred years ago. Not only have we done that, but we’re getting closer to building a self replicating machine.
Also, technically, we absolutely can create a self replicating creature that eats. We can create some that are even capable of learning on a fundamental level. Programmers have done that for quite some time. It’s limited to another, simulated universe. Technically, those programmers could be gods.
This issue is good food for thought. Nature makes self-replicating machines: a stellar system (working with the principles of Newtonian mechanics) degenerates, decomposes, its dust composes again as a new stellar system. But this process is self-recycling, when the original machine needs “dying” and its matter be used for a new one. Suppose that we could insert a software inside each atom of Curiosity and when the robot become oldest, we keep it at same place, the atoms would joining again…
Then why doesn’t 1 human have at least 1 wing growing out of their back. The fly did it, w/ less of a need to fly, than we have. They can walk around all day and find poop. That is their life “poop”, poop is on the ground, they do not need wings.
Joe, the causes are deeper than we think. Wings can be a result of personal effort (anfibians jumps) or can be imposed into a specie by informations flowing in this environment. Wings are specific shapes of accessories developed from cellular cilia which was produced by a universal systemic function number 5. This same function produced the tails of comets for realizing an operation. Here, the system that built biosphere was in need of something being the transporter of pollen. It was imposed
@tsub0dai “humans are far more diverse as a species than any individual person”
The population of human species is comprised of individuals. Theoretically, one individual from today’s human population could be compared to one individual, Adam, in the creation model for genetic diversity. The quagga is an example of selective breeding (artificial selection) used to restore lost genetic information to a few individuals. Natural selection works oppositely toward genetic entropy, i.e. loss.
Yes, Adam/Eve were/is the most perfect genome possible to be made by Nature. Their genome was the formula for building their bodies, which was a closed non-minded system, merely extension of their genome. You can see their “photo” published by Matrix/DNA theory. Natural Selection worked oppositely to their tendencies, entropy causing the big Fall. As microscopic biological systems, the offspring of Adam/Eve lifted up at planets, as opened systems. The sinner father in the sky is driven NS now.
The land of militant Evotards who constantly give me death threats:
Austrailia: “The incidence rate for all cancers combined increased by 27% from 383 cases per 100,000 people in 1982 to 485 cases per 100,000 people in 2007.”
This is the highest rise in cancer of all the social liberal states I have found 127% rise in cancer in 25 years.
Cancer is only caused by genetic defects according to 449087 peer medical papers on PubMed, the international library of genetic diseases.
Yes, cancer is an issue that needs urgent attentions. If you see the picture at my website tipping “The Cycle Of Cholesterol And The Matrix” you will know a new approach for understanding diseases. We have the formula for perfect systems, any disease is dysfunction of that formula. My problem is that I am alone doing this, have no time and resources. I did only fast research about bad cholesterol, Alzheimer. For analyzing cancer under Matrix models is necessary reading lots of informations.
Germany, with militant socialists liberalism has 7.5 million functionally illiterate adults out of a population of 81.7 million.
That is a great sign of how well that works. Germany used to be the country where science and engineering prevailed and German engineering was well known. Now 9% of the population can’t read or write. They are setting up programs to educate people who have already been through the school system
I think this is normal result from WW2: generations of people went to hard work instead schools. But this is also a suggestion that Matrix/DNA models are right. They are suggesting a different kind of targets for the Science enterprise, producing a different kind of technology, medicine, human habitat, different design for urban life. Different from that produced by Germany, whose unconscious target was driven to be a kind of Brave New World ruled by the Big Brother, mimicking insects societies
OUR DNA closely maps out our history of self destruction. Its clear that we have been destroying our genome for a long time and it shows in the huge numbers of deaths directly due to genetic diseases, 30.4 million is less than half of the real number each year. Considering that we created all the viral fungal and bacterial infections by our stupid actions that kill us from infections.
We seem to have become animals with sexual compulsions owning us completely, never aware of what that is doing
The building blocks of DNA, bi-lateral pair of nucleotides, are diversified copies of a unique system. each copy expresses a particular particle, a specific function, different of all others. These copies self-assembly themselves, free in biosphere and cell environment. Some kind of biological behavior selects among these copies which will be increased in their genomes. But the constructors of these copies does not want us as biological minded creatures, they want pieces for a natural machine.
We now have the all time record of childhood congenital disease rates and at astonishing accelleration. 120% rise in Autism in 2 years! 1 in 88 diagnosed by 8 year old. 1 in 125 babies born with congenital heart disease. A rise of 135% in childhood invasive cancer in 34 years. 200% rise in 10 years of STD’s affecting 1 in 4 and young fertile girls have the highest rates. Evolution is a denial mechanism that supports this genetic suicide. “evolutionforum.info”
I should leave these statistics for atheists answering them. But, my personal technique is searching causes based on Matrix/DNA models. They suggests that degradation of humans genetics and bodies is the predicted results from this biosphere evolution. This biosphere was produced by chaos through fragments coming from the decay of a ordered half-mechanical/half-biological system. The action of these fragments is to reproduce the machine, humans must be pieces, so, it is fixing our genome.
History’s shown from the dark ages; the advent of many diseases that nearly wiped out humans, like the plague , wiping out 1/2 the population of Europe; resulted in extreme political measures, using the state religion, Gods authority, to stop diseases. Prison time public whipping, death to homos & anyone who had sex outside of a virgin marriage was a criminal period. It took a lot of suffering to learn to stop killing families children mothers fathers. Used to use a sharp pole for punishment.
I had no time yet for analyzing those plagues based upon Matrix models, but these models suggestions about the origins of viruses also suggests that diseases caused by them are produced by specific psychological states – individual or collective. Viruses are organic constructs from Matrix/DNA genetic code – which exists inside living beings and flowing in the environment – produced by universal function number 5. So, those plagues were produced by specific state of mind, which were religious.
33% of people ages 15 to 64 will die from cancer in the USA. Source CDC. Childhood invasive cancer in the US has risen by 135%;34 years. STD’s in the US up 200% in 10 years with the highest rates: young women ages 14 to 24.
It seems that also the fastest growing religion is atheism.
It turns out that Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, homos, sex addicts, socialist liberals, communists, politicians, prostitutes (no kidding) and scientists. What a group of people to model after. Eh?
It is just the opposite. This degradation of human bodies is the corolary of millenniums of religious thought ruling societies with wrong social systems, wrong technology and wrong science. Religion is a minded-stopper, it separates men from its Nature for alliance with supernatural. Then, the whole body is driven not by the intellect, but by the laws of atoms composing the body. These atoms are matter which supreme tendency is closed inertial equilibrium. We got it, but Nature is responding.
A good sample is the biggest religions of the planet, the Asian religions, which supreme goal is the search for personal equilibrium and nirvana. We have a model of a natural system just in this exactly state: the building block of astronomical systems, our ancestor since 10 billion years ago. It is a closed system into itself, cutting relations with the whole natural world, a self-constructed paradise, where the two aspects of matter, mass and energy got its targets. Extreme selfishness.
These building blocks grew and built galaxies. Its shape is like a perfect machine, a perpetuum motor, self-recycling. The Universe was populated by them. But, above galaxies are forces like the Clausius Law, which produces degradation, measured by entropy and the pretense eternity falls down. Today the Universe is composed by their fossils, ours ancestors. Meanwhile, consciousness was sleeping at galaxies, woke up in shape of animals and lifted up as humans. Religious aret repeating the sin
@”But, above galaxies are forces like the Clausius Law, which produces degradation…”
First off, it doesn’t produce degradation. It simply states that isolated systems will always achieve maximum entropy, manifested as thermal equilibrium. This is the ultimate destiny of our universe.
Secondly, galaxies aren’t isolated systems within the context of “the universe”.
Are you based on Thermodynamic Theory for systems? First of all, those theorists never knew how and what is a perfect closed system. It is built by any lightwaves invading inertial mass and modeling matter accordingly to its seven different frequencies of vibrations, from gamma-ray to radio. Entropy is the name of unit of measurement, not the sate itself. Degradation is not loosing quantities of energy/mass, is fragments escaping from the circuit flow and diminishing the quality of closed system
EVOLUTION is a fairytale for grown-ups, complete with its abiogenetic virgin birth, apes that talk and tell lies, “survival of the fittest “moral code, The prophet called Charlie, a magical process that’s never been observed while its happening, cows that tried to walk on water but became whales, a story about how a primordial soup made a chef.
Almost equal to the collection of fairytale in the Bible, eh? The big difference is that Charlie really sacrificed his best years abandoning a good life in London for facing the hell of the salvage world, observing facts for building conclusions, while the prophets of Bible forgot the real facts of nature and jumped to imaginary conclusions. Any other man that go back to the salvage world with the modern scientific knowledge will find models that solves all problems pointed by you, rationally
No, DNA proves that he has all informations for doing all species at Earth. DNA proves to aliens that there are diversification of species at Earth. It does not prove Evolution, it merely suggests that evolution is possible.
I’m sorry, but last time I checked, not matter what you believe, there’s only so much evidence, and at some point you have to go on faith. Tell me again how evolution is a fact?
DNA proves for a microbe as observer located inside the womb and watching the progress of a fetus that he is seeing evolution. As observers outside the womb, we know that it is reproduction. This Universe is a cosmic egg – or is an agglomerated of bodies still alive or of died fossils (galaxies) – where is occurring a normal natural process of reproduction. And we – like all conscious living beings at millions of other planets – are the minded “genes” making the embryo for the final Big Birth
@van der Meer “[Creationists] provide an answer, just not the correct one”
Considering that scientific theories are only temporal and never absolute (e.g. Newton’s gravitation theory was replaced by Einstein’s general theory of relativity), how do you know what the “correct” answer is concerning man’s origin? Modern-day scientists admit that they don’t know how life began nor has anyone ever created an artificial environment that facilitates the spontaneous generation of life from non-life.
Newton’s theory was not replaced by Einstein’s theory because they were dealing with different dimensions of time/space. Newton’s theory is for Einstein’s the same that atoms are for cells, it means, the new arrangement of atoms inside a cell changes their behaviors and functions. Newton was dealing with mechanics at stellar system level which is an mechanic arrangement like a watch – but Einstein was dealing with galaxies which is half-mechanical/half-biological acting over stellar systems
We don’t know man’s origins in relation to human mind/brain, which could have aggregated new informations coming from a superior natural system located at a superior level of complexity in relation to the total systemic environment (Milk Way) that supplied informations for man’s body, about which we have the most strong evidences that came from primates. For creating biological systems from the evolutionary top of non-biological systems we need more knowledge about natural light, it is the code
I would hardly think the lack of 100% confirmed theory in the branches of science would drive children into the wrong path, most depending on age wouldn’t grasp the Matrix /DNA theory anyway ,and most likely be taught at the college level.. Where as religion prefers to brainwash children at a young age before their logical abilities are fully developed and are still easy prey to mythical fairy tale stories and fear of invisible boogie men and good fairies …
You are right, religion has not worked for improving human existence, so, they are not the solution, our futures generations needs search other alternatives, while the empirical scientifically proved facts must be known. The observation of fossil record and another known facts strongly suggests that there is a natural process from simplest to complexity, which is called “evolution” But this process happens at universal macro scale, unknown, so biological evolution is a non-complete theory.
@NuggetKazooie “negative factors you described wouldn’t apply to the other populations”
Then you get a net positive. Even very small positives soon leads to huge numbers & small negatives quickly lead to extinction.
“Human evolution thus appears like an hourglass, with a narrowing population of Homo erectus leading to possibly one single mutant, whose improved genes emerged into a new era of unprecedented progress. The transformation from failure to success is startling.” Alan F. Alford
Not true. Alan F. Alford is not an reliable witness–His first book Gods of the New Millennium (1996) drew on the ancient astronaut theory of Zecharia Sitchin
@Martin Koch “Alan F Alford is not an reliable witness”
“however, he admitted to serious faults in his use of Sitchin’s theory and proposed an alternative, cataclysm theory of ancient myth: “I am now firmly of the opinion… the descent of the gods was a poetic rendition of the cataclysm myth…” wiki
Alan Alford is thus a “hostile witness” for creationism. Too bad he was forced to consider what he thought was a better mechanism than TOE.
Do “reliable witnesses” only have your same viewpoint?
“Human evolution thus appears like an hourglass,…”
But his observation above is known, being the human genes emerged by evolution or by other unknown source. Alford almost touched the deeper secret of Nature and the deeper source for religious myths. In fact happened a cataclysmic event and the descent of gods as source for human genes. But this cataclysm was not the Noah’s flood neither the explosion of Nibiru, Matrix/DNA suggests other kind of “cataclysm” and descent “gods”
Yes, that is what Matrix models are suggesting: no aliens, ancient or otherwise. We need to remember the initial state of this biosphere and the jungle is the best witness still existing about the life’s origins. It indicates that this biosphere is product of chaos. Chaos is product of cataclysm that happens on ordered environments. The environment existing before biosphere’s origins was made of atomic and astronomical systems. So, there was the Newtonian machine and ours ancestors, the “gods”
The Matrix model still is a theory explaining this worlds’ existence, under tests facing real proved facts. It is a natural formula used by Nature for assembling matter into systems, like atoms, galaxies, trees, humans, cells, etc. This formula is under evolution since the Big Bang ( initially the Matrix was shared by billions of vortexes as bits-information or ex-machine quantum genes) and here the formula is resumed into a base-pair of nucleotides, the building blocks of DNA. Theories…
Only when Science as real knowledge of real facts is used by someone that did the mental exercise for connecting the facts, got a big picture, and teach to children that his picture is Science. Since we for sure don’t have all facts ( maybe neither 30% of all facts of this Universe) any big picture will be product of imagination, then, should be taught as theory. Any big picture (as Matrix/DNA Theory) now will be a driven into wrong pathway for children or a closer mind
I agree and I will talk to kids about ToE, ID, panspermia, Matrix/DNA, etc., mentioning that I don’t know which theory is more appropriated and my personal thought has indicated that there is a natural process of transformation that have increased complexity. But, all these theories must be taught in a Philosophy class, not Science class. Science only inform about real known facts, has no conclusions. The most important thing is to be certified that kids will be opened minds, free for choices
That’s funny. You make me remembering when Morelli was in Amazon jungle and elaborated the Matrix/DNA Theory. He saw lots of snakes in his pathway, they were static waiting any attack for expelling their venom. Louis usually touched them with a long piece of wood, and the snake bites the wood, before going away. Here in Internet, we find snakes in needs of expelling poison of their souls and any comments contrary to their beliefs works as the wood branch. Funny is that Interned is enough long
@khoraski ok fine, give me a proven testable hypothesis, just like every single real scientific thory must do, and we will start calling creationism scientific.
You have a testable hypothesis. The Last Universal Common Ancestor – LUCA – of all living systems, is pictured in a intelligible astronomical model that’s testable. Taking out LUCA from Earth and out of abiogenesis, putting LUCA in the sky, all tools of a cells system can be reduced to the astonishing singularity of LUCA. Broken LUCA into small pieces, you have as result all living species seen at earth. But, LUCA was found coming from before the Big Bang, its origins is unknown.
Ok, they you think you have the right for taking the word “theory” from the ancient Greeks that coined the word and give a new definition. No, my friend, the modern schools are not the owner of this world, they applied the wrong word to jobs resulting from a specific method of connecting real data, which method can be wrong. The Matrix?DNA Theory is a theory in the strictly sense obeying the right of its creators.
The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.
All anyone has to do is see an animal react to noise or movement in the woods and watch it assume something is there, something invisible to be wary of. Some unusual invisible force that must be respected and scared of, and how easily this assumption can be extrapolated into an all mighty invisible being at the cause of all things unknown by sentient beings. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
Sentient animals put a face to phenomena – the evolution of the ‘god’ concept. All anyone has to do is see an animal react to noise or movement in the woods and watch it Assume something is there, something invisible to be wary of. Some unusual invisible force that must be respected and scared of, and how easily this Assumption, this Instinct can be extrapolated into an all mighty invisible being at the cause of all things unknown by sentient beings. Belief in god is more proof of evolution.
That’s your big mistake! yes, primates and all animals worships real things which symbolizes divinity. Primates, dogs, worship caves. black caves, they do holes in the soil, because in their brains are flashing images of black holes, which is encrypted into DNA. Flies worship any lighting lamp, because their atoms is a scene of electrons worshiping the luminous proton. Bees and ants worships the model of astronomical closed system and indeed, they built social system as the real copy.
Lendo o artigo sôbre Panspermia, descrito abaixo, descubro hoje a existência de uma molécula, Xanthine, e uma rápida pesquisa revelou que tudo nela, inclusive sia fórmula quimica, bate em tudo com as previsões dos modêlos teóricos da Matrix/DNA feitas há 30 anos atrás. É fascinante a explicação sôbre o que produziu esta molécula, porque ela foi feita aqui, e para que veio. O artigo onde a encontrei estará em outro artigo a ser feito aqui porque n6ele estamos analizando a questào da panspermia:
Panspermia Theory for Life’s Origins Gets Boost from Top Scientists
Life is all about information – its replication and processing.” — Professor Paul Davies
(Artigo copiado aqui para ser analizado e comentado item por item pela Matrix/DNA Theory)
A team of scientists from the United States, United Kingdom and the Netherlands have determined that chemicals in a meteorite that form the building blocks of DNA and RNA had formed before the meteorite fell to Earth. In a paper published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters on June 15, the team documents an examination of molecules found in the Murchison meteorite, fragments of which landed near the village of Murchison, Victoria in Australia in 1969.
Previous studies had identified amino acids and sugars in the meteorite that were believed to have formed in space. The samples the current study examined included molecules of uracil and xanthine,
Matrix/DNA: “Isto relembra a previsão feita a 30 anos atrás baseada nos modêlos teóricos da Matrix/DNA de que a uracil é a molécula dos nucleotídeos que foi feita pela função sistêmica universal numero 5, a qual, quando está na forma de building block de galaxias, faz os astros denominados “cometas”, e quando está na forma de sistema celular faz os RNA’s M e T ( mensageiro e transportador). Xanthine é uma novidade para mim, portanto vamos conhecer ela recorrendo inicialmente à Wikipedia:
Xantina é uma base purínica, composto orgânico encontrado na urina e também em diversos tecidos do corpo humano, além de estar presente em algumas plantas.
Um exemplo comum de xantina é a cafeína.
O termo Xantina deriva do grego Xanthos – que alude à cor amarela…
Lol!… Não precisou mais que 3 minutes para identificar na fórmula da Matrix de onde veio a Xanthine e saber para que veio. Ela é uma catalista, ou seja, é como uma bacia chacoalhando e mexendo as substancias dentro dela. Diferentes velocidades do chacoalho, diferentes durações dos chacoalhos e talvez diferentes direçôes dos movimentos produzem diferentes compostos finais. Isto é, a grosso modo, denominado “catálise”. A Xanthine foi produzida aqui na Terra pelas particulas-informação vindas de radiações estelares como o Sol, e/ou de radiação de nucleos planetários, na forma de fótons, que invadem átomos “inertes” obrigando-os à novas conexões, na tentativa de reproduzir o sistema de onde vieram ( pura ação genética). As informações embutidas na Xanthine se referem ao trecho do circuito sustêmico da fórmula da Matrix/DNA que vai da Função 7 à Função 1. Ou seja, no corpo humano vai do órgão “fígado” ao órgão “coração”; no sistema celular é o trecho que vai da organela “lisossoma” ao nucleo celular: no building block astronomico é o trecho que vai do cadaver estelar ao vortex nuclear. Pela sua ação catalizadora, eu aposto que suas informações sejam mais relacionadas à ultima parte do segmento daquele trecho, devendo já conter metade de informações para elaborar o vortex: ela faz o que faz o vortex no espaço sideral – chacoalhar massa e energia degradada. Se no meteórito encontramos uracil e xanthine juntos, isto significa que a o vortex que está sendo iniciado na forma de Xanthine já está recebendo cometas, espermatozóides do espaço, o que, a nivel biologico significa que naquele meteórito já estava toda a infraestrutura instalada para se iniciar a construção da Vida, ou melhor, de um par de base de nucleotideos. Fantástico!
A fórmula quimica da xanthine reforça nossas interpretações. Vemos um ring completo, com seis átomos ou seja, hexagonal ( o que significa que a forma astronomica foi copiada uma vez e completa, mais uma estensão com uma figura pentagonal, cinco átomos, o que significa que uma segunda cópia da mesma forma foi parada na função 7 ( não conta a F5, que é o ramo interno do fluxo sistêmico, nem conta a F1, que representa-se como a primeira cópia em torno da qual se desenvolve a segunda). A forte presença do átomo N ( nitrogênio) na segunda cópia (segundo anel) é sempre indicativa de que a fórmula quimica expressa dominantemente o aspecto entrópico degenerativo da face direita da Matrix, pois êste átomo tem numero atômico 7, justamente um a mais do que o Carbono, que na Terra é a cópia fiel da Matrix astronomica. Ora, se um átomo tem em si o sistema completo (6 atomos) e mais um somando 7, isto significa que êle está reforçando a espressão da Função 7 e já abrindo caminho para a construção da Função 1. Por isso a fórmula inteira da Xanthine é esta mensagem: ” aplique-se a êste composto movimentos expressados por mim ( direção, duração, velocidade) que faça um cadaver de sistema ser mais fragmentado, degradado, para ser ressuscitado, ou seja, que um sistema seja reciclado, reiniciado”. Veja na Wikipédia esta informação: “xanthine é o processo resultante da degradação de uma purina”, o que bate mais uma vez com nossas previsões. Assim a descrição do fenômeno com palavras como está no texto da Wikipedia bate com a informação revelada pela fórmula quimica, e as duas descrições bate com a descrição da fórmula astronomica da Matrix/DNA e as três descrições batem com a descrição da Matrix/DNA sôbre o que são nucleotideos, para depois tôdas estas descrições baterem com o significado existencial que a Matrix/DNA sugeriu para atomos, galaxias, células, corpos humanos. Assim funciona uma lógica numa teoria racional (claro, uma pobre racionalidade como só poderia ser a racionalidade limitada ao nosso pequenino cérebro perdido nêste pontinho insignificante dêste imenso Universo. Com o avançar do nosso conhecimento deve avançar o alcance da nossa racionalidade e então, suponho, mais completa e rica será a descrição).
Copiemos aqui a fórmula da Xanthine:
Xanthine A Molécula na Origem da Vida do trecho entre F7 e F1
E sua aparência como compôsto atômico:
Xanthine: A Molécula na Origem da Vida do Trecho entre F7 e F1 - Aparência Atômica
Wikipedia:
Xanthine is a purinebase found in most human body tissues and fluids and in other organisms. A number ofstimulants are derived from xanthine, including caffeine and theobromine.
Terei que rever tudo sôbre purinas, guanine, PNP, para aprender mais como é isso tudo. Por enquanto, paro aqui porque o trabalho está exigindo minha presença lá fora, para retornar e continuar isto se a vida o permitir.
Óvulos e Imagens Iguais à Cosmologia da MatrixDNA (click na imagem)
Incrível como isso possa acontecer! Desenhos feitos precáriamente nas árduas condições da selva amazônica, há 30 anos atrás, agora são fotografados como fatos reais! E maior a surprêsa quando sabemos que a observação da natureza biológica aqui na Terra nos conduziu a suspeitar que estes fenômenos seriam evoluções de fenomenos que ocorrem no espaço sideral, e que poderiamos calcula-los, desenha-los. Mais uma vez mais uma previsão correta, quando esta nova visão do mundo previu que a formação de óvulos e tôda a sequencia que leva ao nascimento de humanos é exatamente igual a toda a sequencia que leva ao nascimento de astros, planetas e estr6elas!
Observe o desenho calculado na selva para origens dos astros:
Matrix/DNA Universal - Modêlo Cosmológico Original
Estás vendo como se trata exatamente do mesmo processo, até as formas são imitadas biológicamente aqui?!
Texto do artigo e a seguir, comentário explicativo:
“Observar a ovulação em humanos é extremamente raro e as imagens anteriores foram confusas. Jacques capturou o evento por acidente enquanto preparava uma histerectomia parcial em uma mulher de 45 anos. A liberação do óvulo foi considerada um evento repentino e veloz, mas as imagens, que serão publicadas na revista científica Fertility and Sterility, mostram que o evento leva, ao menos, 15 minutos. Pouco antes da liberação do óvulo, enzimas decompõem o tecido do folículo maduro, uma bolsa cheia de fluído na superfície do ovário que contém o óvulo. Isso leva à formação de uma protuberância avermelhada e, depois de algum tempo, surge um buraco, do qual o óvulo emerge envolto por células de apoio. Em seguida ele entra na trompa de Falópio, que o leva até o útero.”
Muito grato por estas imagens que são mais uma evidência para os modêlos evolucionarios da Teoria da Matrix/DNA. Estas imagens foram desenhadas e registradas há 30 anos atrás como resultado dos modêlos teóricos, porque são exatamente iguais às imagens do nascimento de uma nova estrêla, como se pode ver no site da Matrix/DNA Theory. Mera coincidência? Não, isso é evidencia de Evolução Universal. Compare os dois textos descritivos:
Matrix/DNA: “Antes da formação e uma nova estrêla, a entropia (enzima)decompõe uma velha gigante vermelha em fragmentos os quais formam uma nebulosa (ovário) a qual gira em rotação formando um vortex central (folículo maduro)contendo a massa degradada com todas as informações do sistema (genes). O turbilhão produz esferas incandecentes e se fundem com cometas capturados (óvulos mais espermatozóides) e com certo pêso são emitidos ao espaço sideral onde passarão pelas fases de baby-stars, planetas, pulsares, supernova, gigante vermelha e o ciclo recomeça…
Como vemos, o que está em baixo é cópia do que está encima e nós somos filhos das estrêlas.
Mas na Natureza, para realizar um processo, muitas vêzes um mecanismo é várias vêezes repetido. Podemos ver tambem os óvulos como sendo as partículas e fragmentos que resultam da fragmentação da estrêla na Função 7. Assim o cadaver estelar que é formado e aparece na imagem como metade da estrêla se decompondo pode ser visto como folículo maduro, e o canal que conduz os fragmentos a se contituir no vortex pode ser visto como a trompa de Falópio. Na verdade o óvulo é o fragmento estelar. pois apenas ele serás misturado aos cometas para formasr a esfera incandescente, que representa o óvulo depois da fecundação.
A Teoria da Matrix/DNA terá que enfrentar a arraigada cosmovisão/doutrina que se apossou do sistema acadêmico global. Ela parece vir do que se chama “secularismo”. Isto está definido e bem explicado seus efeitos no primeiro post abaixo do Alan Clarke. Mas adicionalmente, o debate copiado abaixo trouxe mais um grande material para pesquisa. O esqueleto biológico deve ser uma cópia da Matrix na sua forma como LUCA, portanto falta fazer um desenho mostrando isso. Ao mesmo tempo, a informação neste debate a respeito da existencia de soft tissues and biomolecules no meio dos ossos me leva á intuição de estar vendo a evolução biológica recapitulando a cosmológica, ou ainda mais, que os eventos da cosmológica ficarem registrados aqui, nesta biológica arquitetura. Preciso estudar isso. para tanto buscar as informações sugeridas no debate. O que foi ” Mary Schweitzer’s supposed 69 myo T. rex bones”? Pesquisar isso. Ver abaixo minha resposta no debate.
SECULAR RELIGION — “ideas, theories or philosophies which involve no spiritual component yet possess qualities similar to those of a religion. Such qualities include DOGMA, a system of indoctrination…designated enemies… The secular religion [fills] a role which would be satisfied by a church or another religious authority.” – Wikipedia (emphasis mine)
DOGMA EXAMPLES:
@XGralgrathor “There is only one scientific theory”
@jjukil “there is only the one theory, and no competing explanations”
how nice you cut out the middle portion. but like we keep saying by all means. jjukil say there is the one theory and no competing explanations. but there COULD be. please provide evidence for one!
My evidence is the same as yours. We differ only in our interpretations of the evidence. Evolutionists tried to interpret stretchy transparent blood vessels in Mary Schweitzer’s supposed 69 myo T. rex bones whose contents could be “squeezed out” to be biofilm. When that interpretation fell apart, they changed their interpretation to exceptional preservation of original tissues by raising the preservation limit from thousands of years to millions.
Mary Schweitzer never even claimed to have found unfossilised tissue. You are simply wrong. What she claimed to have found were ‘fragments of mineralised collagen’ and the impressions left by the soft tissue. At no point was the dating of 65 million years ever even in question by the actual reseaqrchers involved in that discovery.
“…recent studies have suggested that primary soft tissues and biomolecules are more commonly preserved within preserved bones than had been presumed. Some of these claims have been challenged, [arguing that the tissues]… are microbial artifacts [biofilm], not primary soft tissues. … extracts from a specimen of Brachylophosaurus canadensis has shown the interpretation of preserved organic remains as microbial biofilm to be highly unlikely.” – Peterson et al.
This is more one strong evidence for cosmological evolution. The biological vertebrate skeleton is just a copy of the sky made with bones. That’s explained by Haeckel theory that “phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny” amplified to cosmological level. The head is the “black hole at the nucleus of a galaxy”, the throat is the systemic circuit, the vertebral column is the espiral, etc. Primary soft tissues and biomolecules were made by genes referring to minutes after Big Bang,so, the “microbial”
Cromossoma humano 2 and seus análogos em outros primatas
Todos os outros primatas tem 24 cromossomas (gorilas (G), chimpanzes (C), orangotangos (O), etc.) mas a espécie humana(H) tem apenas 23. Considerando-se que a teoria da evolução esteja correta, esta sugere que a espécie humana tenha evoluido a partir de algum primata. Então porque perderia um cromossoma? A resposta veio quando se descobriu que o 23* cromossoma humano é justamente resultado da fusão entre os 23* e 24* cromossomas dos primatas. Como se pode observar no quadro acima.
Mas o que significaria essa fusão? O que teria provocado essa fusão? E o que dela de fato teria resultado?
Pensando nisso e observando a fórmula da Matrix/DNA me veio uma idéia que pode ser bem próxima da verdadeira resposta final. Trata-se de outra sugestão da fórmula, a de que todos os sistemas materiais, naturais, dêste Universo possuem uma face invisivel a nós, a qual seria justamente a Matrix feita de fótons ( que pode ser a aura aventada pelos orientais). Esta sugestão surgiu quando calculamos como teria siso o processo pelo qual o building block dos sistemas astronomicos teria se infiltrado na sôpa promordial terrestre e dirigido seus átomos a construir o primeiro sistema celular: ele veio na forma de um diagrama de software, fragmentado em seus bits-informação, manifestados na forma de fótons. Daí a sugestão de que a evolução tem sido resultado da interação entre esta face material visivel, que é o hardware, e a outra invisivel, que é o software. Uma, que se encontra fixada na matéria, capta informações do meio ambiente que são tambem absorvidas pela outra que flutua livre e por isso pode incorpora-las e mutar, porem fazendo isso ela modela o hardware em busca de maior capacidade para obter mais informações… um continuo processo de retro-alimentação, feed-back.
Mas à medida que a evolução avança, o aspecto hardware vai sendo cada vez menos util, pois o Universo material tem um limite de informações, e o software passa a buscar informações na sua própria dimensão. Isto significa que o sistema que estiver no tôpo da evolução – como é o caso aqui e agora do corpo humano – torna-se mais “etéreo”, mais software. Em outras palavras significa que o homem torna-se mais conciência e menos animalismo.
Então voltemos ao mistério da fusão. O software vem desde antes do Big Bang interagindo com o hardware através de alguma peça do hardware que é uma porta de entrada e saída para o software. Esta peça teria sido o cromossoma 24 nos primatas. Quando um evento novo forçou a fusão ( e suspeito que este evento tenha sido o agrupamento na caverna originando as familias, emergindo as emoções, sentimentos, morais), o software passou a se expressar com mais fôrça. No dizer da religião antiga oriental, ”a alma dormia no átomo, sonhava nas galaxias, começou a acordar nos animais, e despertou no homem”. Então essa fusão teria sido uma ampliação do software/mente dentro do hardware, ou seja: se antes dormia numa unica peça, pela qual fracamente podia interagir com o organismo, e assim pouco contrôle tinha sôbre instintos, pernas, braços, órgãos sexuais, etc., – agora ela pode, com a fusão dos cromossomas, ou seja, com a fusão da peça “dela” com todas as demais peças do organismo, ter maior controle e poder se expressar com mais força, impondo sua vontade anímica sôbre a vontade material.
Faz sentido para ti? Para mim parece que a coisa tôda tem lógica e é muito importante. Sua importancia vai desde entender melhor o que somos, até a descoberta de como tornar os computadores mais “inteligentes” , talvez até mesmo tendo mais visão do que seria um computador quantico com inteligencia artificial. Por isso vou levar mais essa pesquisa para frente. Vem comigo?
Mud does not appear in the bible, but clay does as a parable. Adam was made from the dust of the earth and after the flood,the rain turned the dust int the clay.? The clay would be the offspring of Adam if you were to plug in the code.
Living in the jungle I woke up for the salvage chaotic state of this biosphere. All creatures, from any plant to any animal are tortured in this existence. But, then, suddenly we see a beautiful small flower. It seems not belonging to that world. We see a bird nurturing its offspring. We see the tall tree offering flavor fruits. And we see the salvage natives. A mother holding her baby and a male bringing on food to them. This is order lifting up from chaos. This is divine evolution.