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Informação e a Origem da Vida: Video com Tese do Intelligent Designer

segunda-feira, dezembro 28th, 2015

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Information Enigma

https://youtu.be/aA-FcnLsF1g

Informativo video, mas como foi feito com uma previa intenção e baseada no julgamento humano, não sendo portanto a voz da Ciência pura, certamente o video distorce as sequencias dos fatos reais naturais.

De acordo com o que penso ter descoberto na selva, os autores do video tem razão em acreditar que era necessário a pre’-existência de informações existindo fora da matéria bruta terrestre para que esta matéria pudesse gerar a vida. E com isso eles cantam sua crença: Intelligent Designer (ID). Mas então seus oponentes materialistas sugerem que as informações armazenadas pela vida surgiram por acaso, devido a infinitas tentativas em tempos tao longos como bilhões de anos.

A resposta do ID foram os cálculos matemáticos das probabilidades, mostrando que o numero de possibilidades para que a Natureza encontrasse o numero correspondente a ” sistema celular vivo” são infinitas, impossível de ter sido identificado no tempo da origem da vida. Os materialistas voltaram a carga com a teoria de que a natureza não procurou o numero certo para sistema celular vivo, mas sim simplesmente as forças em movimento poderia ter produzido qualquer outra coisa, mesmo outro tipo de sistema vivo; aconteceu ser este, por acaso.

Os ID insistem que todos os eventos por caso apenas destroem ou deterioram qualquer sistema complexo, não tendo nunca os materialistas demonstrado algum evento por acaso que tivesse construído algo novo e melhor do que os elemento existentes no momento do acidente.

Antes de ir para a selva eu suspeitava que os ID estavam corretos na hipótese de que teve de haver informações previas, mas não tinha fé que estas informações tenham vindo de alguma inteligencia e ainda mais, supernatural. E na selva so vi caos e péssimo designer, o que afastou de vez a ideia de inteligente projeto. Suspeitava que um evento por acaso possa resultar em uma nova mistura que sobreviva e se adapte melhor ao ambiente que os elementos misturados. Mas a vida para chegar aonde chegou teria exigido milhões de eventos por acaso dando resultados melhores, e ai não podia concordar, pois isso não seria mais acaso, seria a regra. E se havia uma regra, tinha que haver o legislador.

A solução que encontrei foi elaborar um modelo do estado atômico e astronomico do mundo antes da origem da vida que serve perfeitamente como o conjunto das informações previas que fizeram o primeiro sistema celular vivo, ou antes, o primeiro building block do DNA. Isto resolve os problemas dos dois lados. O que tenho a fazer agora e’ esperar que seja comprovado que o átomo e a galaxia seja tal como os meus modelo teóricos ainda, e não tal como os modelos teóricos acadêmicos em que os dois grupos estão acreditando, Se minha teoria estiver correta, a evolução utilizou mutações por acaso, se a seleção natural os tenha aprovado, mas, isto seria uma raridade, porem possível. E se a minha teoria estiver correta ainda, as previas informações que existiam para formar o primeiro ser vivo, Já existiam antes das galaxias e dos átomos. Portanto se houve alguma inteligencia como fonte destas informações, deste programa genético computacional que esta na essência da vida, esta inteligencia teria atuado antes e alem da origem do Universo. Por enquanto dentro deste universo observável e captável pela nossa inteligencia, todas estas informações estão limitadas dentro do Universo e todas tem origem natural. Então vamos ter que esperar o dia que possamos sair do Universo para ter a resposta certa.

O problema que vejo nos dois grupos e’ que assim estão desviando o caminho da Ciência e mesmo da Razão Pura Natural, do único caminho em que existe de fato Ciência. Pois uma teoria preconcebida e fixada na mente do cientista so’ vai lhe iluminar para fazer experiencias e criar novos instrumentos de pesquisas que venham a detectar fatos reais que somem `a sua teoria. Com isso seleciona-se alguns dos fatos ainda desconhecidos e ignora-se todos os demais desconhecidos. Se o caminho da Ciência pura vai de Norte para Sul, um grupo esta indo de Norte para Oeste e outro, de Norte para Leste. E se a minha teoria e’ o caminho que vai de Norte para Sol, vou ter que esperar terminar estas duas jornadas errantes, esperar que a Ciência se levante de seus escombros e reencete seu verdadeiro caminho. Se ao menos eu tivesse uma alma, que depois de morto pudesse sentar no sofa ao lado do Inteligente Designer assistindo esta briga na televisão… Não, não,… não iria querer isso, porque estaria assistindo todas as torturas de humanos que ainda vão decorrer devido esta brutal perda de tempo e conflito idiota. Ninguem provou que a galaxia seja igual seu modelo teórico, que um quasar ou uma estrela nasça de acordo com sua teoria, que o imenso espaço vazio dentro de um átomo não contenha forças e elementos ainda desconhecidos, que a teoria das Cordas esteja errada quando sugere que existem 11 dimensões, etc. e etc., então como e’ que podem ter fé’ numa hipótese sobre de onde vieram estas informações?!! Por favor, deixem as mentes dos jovens alunos abertas para escolherem seus caminhos, e deixem a Ciência livre para caminhar seu caminho!

Dembsky em “Being as Communion”: Informacionismo e não materialismo

segunda-feira, dezembro 7th, 2015

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William Dembsky, teólogo, matemático, autor de vários livros e co-fundador do Discovery e Intelligent Designer, publicou seu novo livro ” Being as Communion”. A principal ideia do livro se resume nesta sua frase:

” The fundamental stuff of the universe is not matter and energy, but information.” ( A principal substancia do universe nao e’ materia nem energia, e sim, informação) 

Sem ainda ler o livro li um artigo/resenha do livro, cujo titulo e’:

Probabilistic Programming and Conservation of Information

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/05/probabilistic_p096031.html

E como primeira opinião sobre este livro, eu diria que: 

Dembski: ” The fundamental stuff of the universe is not matter and energy, but information.” Dembsky is right, but he is wrong believing that the information for Nature getting complex systems like living beings, comes from an Intelligent Designer. There is another alternative: 1) For getting an embryo of a human being, the information inserted into an ovule is pure genetics – the DNA; 2) For getting universal consciousness, the information inserted into the Universe at the Big Bang, was pure genetics – the Matrix/DNA I agree that every natural system comes from a previous design, which is another natural system. If the previous system was less evolved, we have a jump in evolution. If the previous system is equal the new one, we have merely a reproductive process. So, if we now have here a new complex system that works as consciousness, it must be or an evolutionary step from another conscious system, or merely, reproduction of a system, which was before the Big Bang. But, the genetic process does not need intelligence, it is natural. Mother giraffe did not use intelligence for building the extraordinary engineer that is the baby giraffe. So, there are at least, two possible rational alternatives. Believing in one, discardingthe other, is not rational. Sorry, Mr. Dembsky.

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Sobre o livro:

http://beingascommunion.com/about/

 

Being as Communion

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About the Book

In Being as Communion: A Metaphysics of Information, noted mathematician and philosopher William Dembski challenges the oft-made claim that mind is a myth and that everything about us—including our thoughts, our ethics, and our decisions—are ultimately the products of unguided material processes. Dembski provocatively argues that the opposite is true: In light of modern information theory, it is materialism, not mind that is the “myth.” The capstone of a trilogy that includes The Design Inference and No Free LunchBeing as Communion is already being hailed as “staggeringly original,” “brilliant,” and “a tour de force.” Topics addressed by the book include:

  • how information, not matter, is turning out to be the primary “stuff” of the world.
  • how information can help us understand what it means to have free will.
  • how information can help us understand the existence of the soul.
  • how information can be measured.
  • how information poses a fundamental challenge to Darwinian evolution.
  • how information gives fresh meaning to the ideas of Plato and Aristotle.
  • how information lends support to the modern theory of intelligent design.

Along the way, Dembski rebuts several common misconceptions about the theory of intelligent design, and he explores common ground with non-theistic critics of materialism such as New York University philosopher Thomas Nagel, author of Mind and CosmosWhy the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False (2012).

Calling Dembski “one of the most original and rigorous thinkers of his generation,” University of Texas philosopher Robert Koons writes that “Philosophical and theological critics of the ‘intelligent design’ (ID) movement need to read this book, since here Dembski definitively smashes the common caricatures and misrepresentations of the movement… Dembski argues persuasively that information cannot be simply identical with its physical manifestations, and that the concepts of information and teleology are indispensable tools for the contemporary metaphysician.” Similar praise comes from neurosurgeon Michael Egnor at Stony Brook University Medical Center, who callsBeing as Communion “brilliant and.. a desperately needed antidote to materialist tropes that have crippled modern science and philosophy.”

Dembski’s new book will be of interest to students, scholars, scientists, philosophers, theologians, and anyone with a desire to think deeply about the nature of reality and the meaning of human life in the cosmos.

Table of Contents

Preface 1. The Challenge of a Material World 2. Free Will: The Power of No 3. Information as Ruling Out Possibilities 4. Possible Worlds 5. Matrices of Possibility 6. Measuring Information 7. Information Theory 8. Intelligence vs. Nature? 9. Natural Teleological Laws 10. Getting Matter from Information 11. The Medium and the Message 12. Embodiment and Transposition 13. Energy 14. An Informationally Porous Universe 15. Determinism 16. Contingency and Chance 17. Search 18. Conservation of Information 19. Natural Selection 20. The Creation of Information 21. A World in Communion Index

Praise for Being as Communion: A Metaphysics of Information

Being as Communion is a masterpiece. Dembski’s treatment of information is deep, rich and staggeringly original, gathering together many different threads from theology, philosophy and science. In an intellectual world that prizes outrageous proposals, Dembski modestly seeks to turn the world upside down by making the case that information is more fundamental than matter or energy. He thereby illuminates the primacy of mind in the cosmos. This book is a fresh and significant threat to materialist imperialism.” —Mark Fitzmaurice, General Medical Practitioner, Sydney, Australia

“William Dembski is one of the most original and rigorous thinkers of his generation, and his new book, Being as Communion, pulls together in a satisfying way the many threads in the theory of design and information that he has developed over the last 15 years. Philosophical and theological critics of the ‘intelligent design’ (ID) movement need to read this book, since here Dembski definitively smashes the common caricatures and misrepresentations of the movement, including the notion that ID is committed to a metaphysics that is mechanist, dualist, interventionist, or occasionalist. Dembski argues persuasively that information cannot be simply identical with its physical manifestations, and that the concepts of information and teleology are indispensable tools for the contemporary metaphysician.” —Robert C. Koons, Professor of Philosophy, University of Texas, Austin

“The first Scientific Revolution was the recognition that the book of nature was written in mathematics. The second Scientific Revolution—that the chapter on biology is written in information theory—is taking place in our lifetime. Biology is replete with information, from the genetic code and intricate intracellular nanotechnology to the obvious teleology of evolution. How can we make philosophical and theological sense of biological information? Bill Dembski, a pioneer in Intelligent Design science and a mathematician, philosopher and theologian, is uniquely situated to draw together the metaphysical implications of the information revolution in biology. Dembski succeeds astonishingly well. He asks the salient question: what if the fundamental stuff of the world is not matter but information? This rekindling of Platonic and Aristotelian insight is brilliant and is a desperately needed antidote to materialist tropes that have crippled modern science and philosophy. Dembski’s remarkable insight—that information in nature is communion—is metaphysical and theological sagacity of a high order. A magnificent achievement.” —Michael Egnor, Professor, Department of Neurological Surgery, Stony Brook University Medical Center

“Dembski has become widely known for his quest to elucidate the role of information in our understanding of science and scientific processes. In this book he clarifies and develops some of the major themes of intelligent design, particularly reflecting on the ‘nature of nature itself.’ Materialism sees matter as basic: Information is merely a form of matter. Dembski argues emphatically that the boot is on the other foot: matter is really a form of information. Building on the ideas of John Wheeler and von Baeyer, this is a tour de force of analytical writing, and another serious wound to the hegemony of materialism in modern science and culture.” —Colin Reeves, Emeritus Professor of Operational Research, Coventry University

“This is a clear, fresh, stimulating, and provocative book. I enjoyed reading it, and recommend it to anyone who would like to think more deeply about information, evolution and creativity.” —Rupert Sheldrake, author of The Science Delusion and a past Research Fellow of the Royal Society in biochemistry at Cambridge University.

Um Grave Pecado os Humanos estao Cometendo contra Deus, contra a Natureza, Sua Informacao Natural e Genetica

domingo, maio 24th, 2015

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Para melhorar a qualidade de vida e ter uma mente mais fraternal e social, os humanos precisam comecar a buscar o entendimento da natureza feita por Aquele que disse – ” Se queres conhecer a Mim e saber como Eu penso, estude a Minha Obra que e’ o elo entre tu e Eu, ou seja, a Natureza” . Pois todo artista se revela na sua obra. Ora, a Natureza tem sido observada e estudada pelos humanos desde suas origens portanto era de se supor que ja tivessemos aprendido bastante como Deus pensa e faz as coisas da Natureza. Aprender como Deus pensa e’ aprender a ser cada vez mais sabio e amoroso. Aprender como Deus fez os detalhes da Natureza e’ aumentar a capacidade de melhorar a qualidade de vida pela solucao dos obstaculos ( desculpem a falta de acentos, cedilha, etc, porque estou usando um teclado ingles). E’ isso que voce pensa estar vendo na humanidade de hoje? Se sim, voce vai discordar do que esta escrito daqui para diante, porque eu penso que nao.

Pois vejamos um exemplo: o sistema social humano ainda esta imitando fielmente o sistema social selvagem dos animais. Na selva os animais se dividem em tres classes, e nas civilizacoes humanas tambem. Tem a classe dos grandes predadores ( a casta economica), a classe dos medios predadores ( a classe media) e o resto na classe das presas ( a classe trabalhadora e deserdada). Por outro lado estamos ainda tao fora da sintonia de vida com a Natureza do planeta que ele esta ameacando nos exterminar a todos. Outro exemplo e que nao aprendemos ainda a entender a Natureza nos seus aspectos dualisticos. Um deles e a dicotomia causada por um ciclo entre caos e ordem. Vivemos aqui numa biosfera que foi produzida pela entropia do sistema astronomico que nos envolve, a qual gera o caos, portanto somos produtos e filhos do caos ( o qual, na verdade, foi produzido por nossos antigos ancestrais, se a visao de mundo sugerida pela Matrix/DNA estiver correta em tudo). Mas basta levantar os olhos para o ceu e ver que nele impera o estado de ordem, nem precisa lembrar a mecanica newtoniana pela qual nosso sistema estelar funciona como um relogio perfeito. E nossas ciencias fisicas e astronomicas estao projetando o estado de caos do nosso mundo imediato para fazer seus modelos , calculos e teorias cosmologicas, num puro antropomorfismo narcisista. Estao levando para os ceus os monstros humanos, mesmo que seja apenas em suas fantasias, como e’ o caso da invencao de buracos negros canibais engolindo e triturando galaxias inteiras. A Matrix/DNA produz outro modelo teorico e poe no lugar de buracos negros uma ancestral parafernalia do sistema reprodutor feminino gerando estrelas bebes.  Em que temos evoluido? Onde a mente humana esta se tornando mais fraterna, social e amorosa, aproximando-se mais do Deus que os homens de bem desejam?

Se agora voce concorda comigo, tambem notaste que existe uma contradicao nisso tudo: apesar do milenar estudo da Natureza, e termos copiados varios mecanismos dela na forma de nossas tecnologias, a forma como nos a estamos interpretando nao esta nos fazendo distanciar-nos dos comportamentos dos animais irracionais e nem nos aproximando da forma amorosa como deve ser a forma de Deus.  Porque esse paradoxo?

Acontece que a Natureza tem sido estudada de varias maneiras todas erradas, sendo a ultima ainda mais errada, o metodo reducionista que chamam de cientifico e teimam em nao darem o salto para o metodo cientifico sistemico, o qual em muito ampliara nossos horizontes. Eu apenas percebi isso quando vivendo na selva amazonica e estudando-a da forma como Deus nos aconselhou que fizessemos, comecei a perceber que  as interpretacoes humanas de quase todos os fenomenos e eventos naturais estao errados. Isto porque, primeiro se interpretava toda a Natureza tendo em mente a crenca na mentira de que Deus violaria suas proprias leis naturais aplicando o metodo magico, depois se passou a interpretar a Natureza tendo em mente a mentira inexistente do acaso absoluto. Ta ai meu amigo, a explicacao para o gargalo em que estamos metidos. Nem magia nem acaso incontrolavel pois o significado de Deus ao produzir a Natureza Universal e’ o mesmo de uma mae humana naturalmente produzindo a placenta onde germinar o Seu filho e pelo metodo genetico natural, portanto a mente sabia deve se basear na pura genetica natural. Mas esta nova mentalidade muda totalmente a nossa visao da Natureza universal e por consequencia, as interpretacoes de cada fenomeno e evento natural.

Temos no artigo “Is ‘Information Theory’ Misnamed?”,  com link abaixo, um exemplo de como nossa maneira moderna dita cientifica de abordar a Natureza  e aprende-la esta errada. Criaram um campo complexo dentro desta ciencia denominado “Teoria da Informacao”, mas quem comecou foram matematicos e depois entraram os fisicos e juntos conduziram esta teoria para a area das ciencias da computacao, ou seja, informacao artificial. Esqueceram-se totalmente ate agora de estudar o que e informacao natural. Ja qu o Universo e sua natureza nao sao magicos e nao podem criar informacoes do Nada, quais e como eram as informacoes originais que aqui foram insridas junto com o Big Bang para que produzissem este complex universo ue vemos hoje? Apenas eu – sinto dizer – estou investigando isso e ja bastante adiantado nesse estudo. Enquanto isso os biologos incapazes de formularem uma grande teoria da biologia porque querem assentar a Vida terrestre em cima da interpretacao dos fisicos e dos matematicos sobre a Natureza cosmologica, estao comecando a perceber que a teoria da informacao deles nao esta se casando com o conceito de informacao que eles estao observando na genetica. E claro que desse jeito a interpretacao sobre o que e informacao natural nunca vai se casar com o que e informacao genetica, pois as primeiras informacoes que surgiram neste universo ja vieram para serem aplicadas ao processo genetico que e a meta do Criador. Os fisicos e matematicos estudam a parte da Natureza como so podem estudar um corpo humano, limitados a infra-estrutura instalada, ou seja, ao seu esqueleto, e nao a parte relacionada a carne suave e  a neurologia mental. E todo esqueleto, tal como o nosso, so existe porque foi gerado por informacoes geneticas, assim e’ o mundo limitado das ciencias fisicas e matematicas. Por isso a fisica e a matematica ignoraram a informacao no seu aspecto natural e se enveredaram a inventar a informacao artificial a nivel computacional. Sao os biologos, geneticistas e neurologistas que devem ir ao Big Bang estudar as origens de todas as informacoes naturais, as quais produziram as forcas e elementos da mecanica estudados pelos fisicos e calculados pelos matematicos.

Infelizmente eu nao tenho mais tempo hoje para traduzir o artigo e os comentarios que postei no debate que se seguiu ao artigo, por issome limitarei aqui a copier os meus comentarios em ingles, os quais dao uma ideia dos conflitos entre as interpreacoes da natureza feitas or eles e as feitas por mim dentro da cosmovisao da Matrix/DNA Theory. O artigo:

Is ‘Information Theory’ Misnamed?

http://bigthink.com/errors-we-live-by/is-information-theory-misnamed

Para melhor estudar este tma devemos tamber ler ests outros artigos relacuionados:

DNA Is Multibillion-Year-Old Software

E a seguir meus comentarios postados no debate:

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DNA is not a code neither a message, it is merely a large number of different copies of a unique initial system – which was the evolutionary top produced by cosmological evolution and at Matrix/DNA Theory you can see this system in shape of a universal matrix formula for all natural systems. It does not makes sense to say that 8 billions human beings ( which are different copies of a unique system) composes a code and that Humanity is a message. I need studying more about academic information theory but I know that it is vey different from Matrix/DNA’s information theory, which says that natural information is a very solid and active agent resulting from the entropy of the natural system that produced this universe: bits-information has a physical presence but a genetic meaning even at quantum and cosmological scales. The image below is the building block of DNA, its unit of information, a lateral base-pair of nucleotides, but it is also the formula for first generation of galaxies and at its more evolutionary simplest shapes is the formula for atom systems (sorry, I uploaded the wrong image but it is the same formula and the right one you can see in my website). Any new natural information is like any new gene, produced by fuzzy logics resulting from the needs of a system plus the limitation of the previous existent hierarchic superior system ( the new system can be a human baby or a star-baby and the previous system can be the human parents or the star’s galaxy). That’s why we will see strange and weird life-forms at other planets.

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A formula da Matriz/DNA como algoritmo de um sistema fechado:

F1) Existem ingredientes crus no espaco, na forma de massa e energia, e rodopiando devido rotacao do espaco?

Se sim, forme-se o rodamoinho e misture ingredients crus cozinhando-os ate que bolhas sejam ejetadas para o espaco externo. As bolhas serao o nucleo de um novo corpo astronomico;

Se nao, nao se forme o rodamoinho.

2) Uma bolha agrega mais ingredientes crus e congelados do espaco?

Se sim, continue se dirigindo para dentro do espaco sidereal, agora sob o nome de semente estelar ou planeta;

Se nao, desfaca-se como bolha.

3) O planeta passa perto de uma estrela?

Se sim, caia na sua orbita;

Se nao, continue vagando no espaco ate se desfazer.

4) O nucleo e’ alcancado pela energia da estrela?

Se sim, inicie reacoes nucleares se alimentando das camadas externas de ingredients, ou seja, das camadas geologicas;

Se nao, torne-se uma lua.

5) A reacao nuclear evolue comendo as camadas ate a superficie?

Se sim, a pressao forma os vulcoes que ejetam cometas que caem na espiral galatica rumo ao nucleo;

Se nao, congele-se como uma lua.

6) A reacao nuclear atingiu a ultima camada superficial?

Se sim, colapse-se como uma estrela supernova;

Se nao, congele-se como lua.

7) Esgotaram-se as particulas de energia dentro dos atomos das camadas de nutrientes?

Se sim, desfacao o resto em massa ingrediente para formar novo rodamoinho;

Se nao, torne-se um planeta gigante morto de gas inerte.

A formula da Matriz/DNA para sistemas abertos:

1) Repita todos os passos ate F5

2) Queres se eternizar nesta forma de corpo?

Se sim, vas internamente para o nucleo;

Se nao, vas externamente para se relacionar com o exterior desconhecido.

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Another point is that you confuse information theory with computer science. They are quite different, although they of course overlap.

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The big problem is that neither information theory based on mathematics, neither computer sciences are studying natural information. Only at Matrix/DNA Theory we are doing that. The weird thing is that our method arrived to a never imagined before conclusion: natural bits-information are photons particles resulting from the fragmentation of light waves emitted by pulsating big-bangs. Any natural light wave has a sequence of vibrations/frequencies that is the same sequence of shapes/state of energy of any living body. Since that the differences among living bodies’ shapes are result of a force called ” lifes cycles’ we arrive to the weird conclusion that light waves carries on the first code for life… I am sure that when human beings will remember that we need to study and investigate natural information our whole modern and academic world view will suffer a revolution like Copernicus did with the geocentric world view.

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This is a very interesting article, but it follows from a fundamental misunderstanding of Shannon’s theory of communication. It is precisely the separation of the concept of information from those of meaning and reference that allows us to regard human communication and biological communication in the same frame. For Shannon, information is just entropy, and entropy is a statistical property of sequences that allows communication to take place. Communication in this sense — not in the hermeneutic sense of conveying meaning between minds — is the task of replicating a sequence between two points. Both biology and culture do this in various ways, the first through DNA, RNA, signal transduction, the second through texts and other media, and the application of information theory to both domains is entirely appropriate. However, in both cases there is the interesting question of how we proceed from the replication of sequences which are essentially instructions to things like bodies and ideas.

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This question is easy for Matrix/DNA Theory. We could refer to an analogy. Think about Chineses from different places of China arriving at different times and places in the United States. No matter the obstacles all them will go to the place of the first settlement of Chineses, like Chinatown. And in Chinatown a recent arrived Chinese from Beijing will live next other already settled Chinese from Beijing. The previous neighborhood in China will determine the sequence of Chineses/houses composing the neighborhood of Chinatown. And the cause of immigration is that China was under economic entropy, so, Shannon was right. But he forgot that every state of chaos have the seeds for the state of order and vice-versa. Human language is the state of order emerged from chaotic humans sounds, genetic order is the state of order from chaotic dispersion of primordial molecules such aminoacids. And those aminoacids selected for composing biological systems were like small settled groups of immigrants that came from the Milk Way fragmentation by entropy, that’s why the first living cell is just the copy of galactic building blocks. If you don’t put cosmological evolution and biological evolution inside the same bag, you will never understand the origins and evolution of natural information, genetics and biological systems like human beings.
Saying that replication of sequences are instructions only makes sense if you considers that the instructor is the prior and outside system fragmented by chaos. Because the new sequences will merely mimics the old systemic sequence. That’s why human parents ( the prior and outside system in relation to the new embryogenesis) generates human babies and not giraffes babies. And that is why the human life’s cycle is mimicking the astronomical bodies life’s cycles as expressed by my avatar here.

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Information theory might have a focus different than what the term “information” means in different contexts, but, above there is an unfortunate level of understanding of what “information theory” covers, epitomised in the sentence “To a signaling engineer, the messages “set” and “ant” have equal amounts of information, three symbols each.” This is incorrect, without the knowledge of prob. of occurences of symbols from a codebook (which are presumed to be defined for the problem at hand in a way compatible with the rigorous constructs of the theory requires) it is not meaningful to talk about information as in information theory in the first place. Chaitin, as far as I remember, uses “Algorithmic information theory” in which the constructs are programme strings. In that sense, it is a theory with different constructs, although there are strong connections with information theory (which can be traced back to, e.g., Kolmogorov’s algorithmic information concept and surrounding theorems). It might be worthwhile to dig the literature a bit deeper before jumping on to conclusions.

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Should it be worthwhile to dig the biblical literature a bit deeper before jumping on to conclusions about how nature works? Where is the guarantee that Nature is based on algorithms like the Mathematicians have theorized it? I agree that sometimes our extensive academic curricula of information theory really works producing good effects, but, it also works the Bible when suggesting prays since that it produces the placebo effect. The messages ” set” and “ant” will be misunderstood if based on the symbols from the wrong codebook. A wrong codebook is the opposite of the Germany ” Enigma” at second war: the lies for to elude the enemy is not in the symbols of what were said by radio, but, in the cryptography message underlying the words. That’s Nature as based on human algorithms.
The very problem is that it need to be biologists, geneticists and neurologists that must go to the Big Bang investigating the primordial original natural bits of information that produced this complex Universe we see today, included the mechanical and skeletal aspect of the world studied by Physics and Math, because those information had genetic origins and meanings. Like the human body’s skeleton is a physical and mechanical structure, but it is produced by genetic information. I am telling this ” weird things” because my personal investigation is suggesting that the living formula called Matrix/DNA is more appropriated as natural information than algorithms. But… I could be wrong, who knows…

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No time for straw man arguments as in “Should it be worthwhile to dig the biblical literature a bit deeper before jumping on to conclusions about how nature works?” sorry. If you are criticising a theory, you need to learn more about it.

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Yes, this is the same answer I get from advocates of biblical theories. They acts as straw man. Of course we need learn a theory, but never forgetting it is a theory to the point that we loose the ability to criticize and questioning it. Then, these people says that have no time for it. Do you know what is the solution for both of us? You never will read my posts because you are head-closed by yours world view, and I will continuing to read yours posts because they are good for testing my world view. Cheers,…

 

Cérebro e Memoria; Debate entre tres diferentes teorias

sábado, dezembro 20th, 2014

Este debate começou com este artigo:

Recalling Nana’s Face: Does Your Brain Store Memories?

por Michael Egnor December 8, 2014 2:12 PM (Egnor `e um neuro-cirurgiao e acho que criacionista) http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/12/recalling_nanas091821.html Introducao: A singular consequence of the materialist-mechanical metaphysics that permeates our culture and our sciences is that we commonly hold basic beliefs that are abject nonsense. One such belief is the almost ubiquitous one — among ordinary folks as well as neuroscientists and surprisingly many philosophers — that the brain “stores” memories. The fact is that the brain doesn’t store memories, and can’t store memories….there is simply no way memory or information of any kind can be stored in a meat-organ like a brain. … But memories are psychological things. They have neither mass nor volume nor location, and the assertion that they can actually be stored in anything is unintelligible.

Este artigo do Egnor provocou uma rapida contra-resposta de PZ Myers:

Ready to lose a few brain cells? You won’t need them, apparently

PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris. Dono do famoso Pharyngula http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/12/15/ready-to-lose-a-few-brain-cells-you-wont-need-them-apparently/ Introducao: Michael Egnor, neurosurgeon, has made a bizarre post in which he reveals that he knows nothing about how the brains he cuts up work. Egnor claims that it is impossible for the brain to store memories. Yes, he knows that neural damage can cause loss of memory, that certain delicate areas of the brain, if harmed, can destroy the ability to make new memories, and he waves those awkward facts away to announce that there is simply no way memory or information of any kind can be stored in a meat-organ like a brain. He doesn’t say where memories are kept, then, nor does he account for any of the physiological correlates of memory, nor does he seem to give a damn about any of the neuroscience experiments that have teased apart the underlying molecular mechanism. By pure reason alone, if we can call his argument a product of reason at all, he deduces that the brain could not possibly have any way of storing memories. E Egnor retrucou a Myers com o seguinte post:

Understanding Memories: Lovely Metaphors Belong in Songs, Not Science

Michael Egnor December 16, 2014 12:20 PM http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/12/understanding_m092071.html Introducao: ” Biologist P. Z. Myers doesn’t agree with my observation that the notion that the brain stores memories makes no sense. Myers writes: Mas ai veio de novo a resposta de Myers:

Egnor babbles some more

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/12/17/egnor-babbles-some-more/#more-21824

Introducao; ” Michael Egnor has replied to my dismissal of his claims that memories can’t be stored in the brain with a curiously titled post, Understanding Memories: Lovely Metaphors Belong in Songs, Not Science. I was a bit confused, at first…I don’t recall using any song lyrics or poetic metaphors in my post on the subject, but then as I read his post, a light dawned. He’s talking about himself.”… E antes de Egnor responder, outro ateista famoso entrou em cena ao lado de PZ Myers:

Neurosurgeon Thinks the Brain Doesn’t Store Memories

Published by http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/neurosurgeon-thinks-the-brain-doesnt-store-memories/ Introducao: ”  A far more accurate an useful definition of memory would be stored information. ( Nota minha: Como palavras sao mapas e nao os territorios, as palavras memoria e informacao devem serem evitadas aqui. Existe um deposito onde sinais – sejam quimicos, eletricos, fisicos, ou algo mais – sao mapas que representam reais fenomenos naturais. e neste deposito os nossos pensamentos vao buscar itens para reproduzir mentalmente a realidade e tomar decisoes. Para nosso social entendimento e na falta de coisa melhor por enquanto, vamos chamar estes sinais de sinais cerebrais. Nao `e o objeto que entra no cerebro e fica ali estocado, mas sim que todo objeto irradia-se por entropia para o mundo externo ( talvez tendo seus fragmentos levados pela luz quando bate nele e  retorna refletida),  e os fragmentos desta radiacao `e que sao captados pelo cerebro. E ainda nao sei qual o certo: se sao estes fragmentos do objeto ou se estes fragmentos sao transformados em outros fragmentos que possam ser absorvidos pelo cerebro. Podemos que estes fragmentos de unidades irradiados pelos objetos e transformados em sinais captaveis pelos receptors do cerebro – sao ” informacao” ? Acho que sim pois para mim, informacao `e uma forca natural que da forma a materia ou ao menos altera a forma de um corpo ou objeto material e estes fragmentos/sinais geram ou alteram formas nas sinapses, atraves da  fosforilizacao ou sinteses de proteinas. O vento e uma informacao fisica real que atinge um ambiente cheio de objetos e mexe estes objetos impondo uma nova organizacao ao ambiente. e impondo novas formas ao ambiente e aos objetos.  Enfim, memoria `e informacao estocada.)   –  That would not serve Egnor’s purposes well, however. He uses the more vague “retained knowledge” hoping you won’t notice what memories actually are – information. By pointing out that memories are information the analogy to computers becomes obvious. (Discordo. Primeiro, o autor esta sendo desonesto, pois devia dizer: …a analogia entre memoria natural, informacao natural, e cerebro – a memoria artificial, informacao artificial e computador, se torna obvia. E muito diferente. Primeiro, os estados da matéria entre um e outro sao diferentes (computadores nao tem o estado liquido, portanto nao apresenta reacoes quimicas, nem tem o estado biologico de organizacao da materia, o que sempre expressa o principio vital. Segundo que o computador `e um objeto morto e o cerebro um objeto vivo. Terceiro que a memoria `e introduzida no cerebro pela Natureza enquanto no computador o `e pela mente de um alienigena ao computador. Quarto, o cerebro tem a possibilidade de ser milhoes de vezes mais complexo do que nossos computadores mais avancados atuais, pois enquanto o computador opera basado em duas variaveis (0 e 1) o cerebro opera com sete variaveis (as sete funcoes sistemicas universais, que apaecem, por exemplo, numa unidade de informacao do DNA/RNA, com os nomes de cinco bases nitrogenadas e dois acucares laterais. E etc.) A hard drive of a computer stores information also. ( Sim, mas apenas pelo metodo de acumulacao e elasticidade do espaco no hard drive, ao contrario do cerebro onde o seu “hard drive” e um sistema functional e memorias sao novas formas deste sistema padrao. No hard drive do computador as unidades de memoria sao dispostas linearmente, mas eu creio que no hard drive cerebral elas sao dispostas no estilo de superposicao quantica. A informacao penetra o cerebro e altera a configuracao fisica do produto do cerebro, que sao as sinapses, enquanto na maquina do computador nao vejo a informacao alterar nada, a nao ser ocupando espacos vazios no hard drive.)   Computer information is stored physically, in the pits on a CD, or magnetic properties of a tape or disk, for example. That information can be used to construct an image, music, a word processor document, or a computer program. Can the brain store information? Of course it can. ( Talvez sim, talvez nao. Ainda nao existem provas reais nem para uma alternativa, nem para outra. Por exemplo, a viao de mundo da matrix/DNA esta sugerindo que o cerebro nao estoca informacao, o que estoca `e o produto sendo produzido pelo cerebro, que e a mente. E a mesma analogia com uma mulher gravida quando informacoes/alimentos, etc., entram e sao estocados no corpo do embriao. de maneira relativa as informacoes foram estocadas dentro do corpo da mulher, mas nao no corpo da mulher.)  The average adult human brain has about 87 billion neurons. Those neurons make connections to other neurons through axons and dendrites. The number, pattern, and strength of those functional connections is information – about 100 trillion connections, with an estimated memory capacity of 2.5 petabytes (million gigabytes). ( Mas…. as conexoes oriundas das sinapses sao partes fisicas do cerebro? Como, se as sinapses desaparecem logo que surgem? Ele esta dizendo algo certo: nao sao os neuronios, nem os axons e as dendrites que expressam a memoria, mas sim as conexoes e ainda, apenas as conexoes funcionais. As quais sao lampejos eletricos que acendem e apagam como raios nas nuvens.) The brain’s structure and function seems to be for the very purpose of storing and processing information. ( Nao. A estrutura e funcao do cerebro tem a limitada tendencia de alcancar seu equilibrio termodinamico e sobreviver neste estado. A nao ser que o cerebro tenha sido ‘ criado” por alguma entidade fora do cerebro que impos estes propositos de estocar e processar informacoes, como o homem – uma entidade fora do computador – criou sua estrutura e funcao para estocar e processar informacao. Cerebro `e massa, materia, e materia nao tem nenhum proposito. muito menos propositos que em nada lhe seriam uteis). Morelli: ” Opa, esta poderia ser a grande oportunidade que estou procurando: me informar com alguem que entende a relacao entre software e hardware. Primeiro deixa-me trazer para ca as definicoes oficiais de memoria e informacao:

Wiki: Memoria:

In psychology, memory is the process in which information is encoded, stored, and retrieved. Encoding allows information from the outside world to reach the five senses in the forms of chemical and physical stimuli. In this first stage the information must be changed so that it may be put into the encoding process. Storage is the second memory stage or process. This entails that information is maintained over periods of time. Finally the third process is the retrieval of information that has been stored. Such information must be located and returned to the consciousness. Some retrieval attempts may be effortless due to the type of information, and other attempts to remember stored information may be more demanding for various reasons. From an information processing perspective there are three main stages in the formation and retrieval of memory:

  • Encoding or registration: receiving, processing and combining of received information
  • Storage: creation of a permanent record of the encoded information
  • Retrieval, recall or recollection: calling back the stored information in response to some cue for use in a process or activity
  • (cont. a ler)

Informacao:

Information is that which informs, i.e. that from which knowledge and data can be derived (as data represents values attributed to parameters, and knowledge signifies understanding of real things or abstract concepts). As it regards data, the information’s existence is not necessarily coupled to an observer (it exists beyond an event horizon, for example), while in the case of knowledge, information requires a cognitive observer. At its most fundamental, information is any propagation of cause and effect within a system. Information is conveyed either as the content of a message or through direct or indirect observation of some thing. That which is perceived can be construed as a message in its own right, and in that sense, information is always conveyed as the content of a message. Information can be encoded into various forms for transmission and interpretation. For example, information may be encoded into signs, and transmitted via signals. In Thermodynamics, information is any kind of event that affects the state of a dynamic system that can interpret the information. The concept that information is the message has different meanings in different contexts. Thus the concept of information becomes closely related to notions of constraint, communication, control, data, form,[disambiguation needed] instruction, knowledge, meaning, understanding, mental stimuli, pattern, perception, representation, and entropy. (cont. a ler). xxxxx

Meu Artigo:

O que e memoria no DNA? Cada par lateral de nucleotideos ( que sao os buiding blocks do DNA) representa um instante na Historia do DNA, pois todo os instantes vividos pelo DNA, seja em que corpo ou sistema ele estiver, sao registrados. Cada registro, cada instante, ‘e uma variacao do sistema universal. Cada building block e uma derivacao da formula da Matrix/DNA para sistemas naturais. Essa derivacao ocorre porque cada nova operacao do cerebro comeca repetindo o circuito da formula, mas como o cerebro e estas operacoes sao sistemas abertos, as novidades que surgem enquanto ocorre uma operacao muda a tragetoria do circuito e insere a novidade no circuito. Estas operacoes do cerebro representam as operacoes do sistema-formula, na forma de axons e dendrites  e suas decorrentes sinapses. Por isso, cada nova copia da formula, cada nova operacao, apresenta uma derivacao no tamanho, intensidade, etc., das sinapses resultantes.   Essa insercao da novidade `e o que chamamos de unidades de memoria. Entao estas unidades de memoria possuem substancia fisica, volume, tamanho, etc. Porque cada unidade de memoria ‘e um sistema natural distinto, especifico, com toda uma natomia determinada pelo processo de um ciclo vital, e oconjunto da memoria de um cerebro ‘e o conjunto destes sistemas. Como `e o DNA. Quando um novo bloco `e formado, todo o passado `e recapitulado e se houver registros uteis ou relacionados ao motivo que acionou a nova formacao, estes registros sao trazidos para fazerem parte do novo bloco. Entao como esse mecanismo passou para o cerebro e suas memorias? Os neuronios substituem os building blocks do DNA. Portanto cada novo instante, novo pensamento, ‘e registrado num neuronio, ou num vizinho grupo de neuronios. Ora, a historia de cada instante contem informacoes, repetidas ou ineditas para o cerebro, portanto, cada historia ou cada instante `e um pacote de informacoes. Dessa forma informacoes sao registradas na ” carne” do cerebro. Mas existe a possibilidade de que o cerebro seja composto por duas dimensoes- uma ‘carnal” e a outra, tendo como substancia a luz e seus fotons. Tavz seja esta segunda dimensao – na substancia de luz – que muitos estudiosos como o autor deste artigo, chamam de psicologia e que nao seria algo fisico. Entao talvez existam duas diferentes dimensoes para uma mesma memoria. – Me parece que memoria `e sempre apenas visual, imagem. Eu nunca me lembro das palavras ” I have a dream” sem antes trazer `a lembranca a imagem de Martin Luther – seja a vista no papel, no filme, ou num video – quando seus labios pronunciaram aquelas palavras. Esta certo que as palavras nao sao imagens, sao sons, mas eu sempre vejo a minha imagem na hora que ouvi o som. Porem esta ideia nao resiste quando pensamos em cheiros, aromas. Basta sentir um cheiro num ambiente que logo vem na lembranca uma substance que produz aquele cheiro, nunca vem ants o lugar onde antes o cheiro foi sentido. Vejamos esta importante descoberta cientifica, citada por PZ Mayers: Eric Kandel won a Nobel (with Carlsson and Greengard) in 2000 for figuring out how memories are stored in Aplysia.

Eric Kandel, Center for Neurobiology and Behavior, Columbia University, New York, is rewarded for his discoveries of how the efficiency of synapses can be modified, and which molecular mechanisms that take part. With the nervous system of a sea slug as experimental model he has demonstrated how changes of synaptic function are central for learning and memory. Protein phosphorylation in synapses plays an important role for the generation of a form of short term memory. For the development of a long term memory a change in protein synthesis is also required, which can lead to alterations in shape and function of the synapse.

Entao, fosforilizacao de proteinas em sinapses exerce importante influencia na geracao de uma forma de memoria de curto tempo. E para o desenvolvimento de memoria de longo tempo uma mudanca na sintese de proteinas `e tambem requerida, a qual pode levar a alteracoes na forma e funcao da sinapse… Isto `e justamente confirmacao da sugestao da formula da Matrix/DNA ! Por esta formula, proteinas sao a contraparte biologica que representa o circuito da formula. Se existem 20.000 tipos de proteinas `e porque o circuito esferico inteiro mais o ramo lateral do circuito `e dividido em 20.000 pedacos, trechos. Cada proteina tem as informacoes para um pequeno trecho do circuito sistemico. Como disse acima, toda operacao cerebral `e um reiniciar da formula. Se nao houvesse nada novo vindo do exterior, como uma imagem, um som, um cheiro, a operacao cerebral desenharia exatamente, por sinapses, a formula da Matrix/DNA. Cada operacao, cada pensamento, `e um processo complete de ciclo vital. Assim um pensamento nasce quando certos neuronios contendo certas informacoes `e fecundado por algum estimulo. Assim o nasciturno em F1 inicia um fluxo circuital indo para F2, crescendo, amadurecendo, degenerando e morrendo… deixando ou nao sua marca registrada, se foi importante ou inutil. Mas se durante este processo o pensamento continuar sendo bombardeado por estimulos externos – na fotma de imagens, sons, etc., – o fluxo circuital se deforma, comeca a fugir da formula matricial, e acaba desenhando um diferente quadro sinaptico final. Assim criou uma nova derivacao da formula original, um novo tipo de sistema, e assim vai ser registrado na versao totl da formula que `e o proprio sistema cerebral. Ora, em palavras dos cientistas, essa deformacao ou aleracoes no circuito `e “o desenvolvimento de memoria de longo tempo uma mudanca na sintese de proteinas `e tambem requerida, a qual pode levar a alteracoes na forma e funcao da sinapse…” , e para memorias curtas eles dizem: ” ocorrem fosforilizacao de proteinas numa sinapse” . Assim, antes de ler este trecho do Premio Nobel Erik Candel, eu previ exatamente qual seria oresultado final da sua experiencia, apenas tentando ler os mapas da Matrix/DNA… Deixa-me tentar escrever para explicar a imagem que tenho na mente agora: Os atomos sao invadidos, habitados por fotons, que sao particulas de luz. Quando um fator externo se projeta para dentro do cerebro, seja na forma de imagem, som de palavras, etc., esta projecao `e emissao de fotons dos atomos que compoem o fato. Estes fotons acionam neuronios a produzirem sinapses eletromagneticas, que `e uma representacao de ondas de luz. As sinapses desenham uma onda de luz completa, a qual `e a primeira e original forma da formula da Matrix/DNA. Mas devido a insercao de elementos externos enquanto se constroi a formula por sinapses, e estes elementos sao incorporados na forma que o circuito tera, no final o conjunto de sinapses desta operacao sera uma nova forma de sistema, uma nova forma de seu template, que `e ondas de luz. O que fica registrado como memoria `e a soma de todas estas diferentes sinapses em forma de ondas de luz que se acumulam no cerebro, porem, nao como substancia biologica carnal, e sim como a substancia dos fotons, que `e luz… e estes fotons nao sao captados por nossos sensors nem pleos instrumnetos cientificos. O acumulo destas ondas sistemas luminosas `e o que vai sendo desenvolvido pelo que chamamos de ‘ auto-consciencia”, pois assim o rpoduto final da evolucao dentro do univiverso `e sintetizado pela subsancia da mesma luz que deu origm ao Universo… assim se complete um universal processo de reproducao genetica, reproducao daquilo ou daquele sistema consciente que existia ou ainda existe alem dste universe. Para mim, esta tudo facilmente explicado. Enfim, a memoria `e ou nao estocada no cerebro? Ela `e estocada no produto produzido pelo cerebro, o qual ainda `e um feto, um embriao de auto-consciencia. Isto `e semelhante a quando um embriao dentro da barriga de uma mulher gravida esta recebendo do exterior novos elementos, como alimentos, etc. O que vai para o feto, o que fica estocado no feto, estara estocado tambem no corpo da mae? De cera forma sim, pois o corpo da mae contem o feto. Mas… um dia o feto sai, o corpo da mae fica, e a memoria vai com o feto, Saindo do stoque do cerebro… Estes dois cientistas brigoes estao ambos meio certos e meio-errados… Ou seja, os 50% de erros de um sao exatamente os 505 de acertos do outro, e vice-versa… Raios! Por exemplo quando PZ Myers diz: ” Aplysia can learn to associate a touch with an unpleasant stimulus, and will remember that association when touched in the future, which is a psychological thing. We know how that psychological thing is stored in the brain of Aplysia, as changes in the strength of synapses. Egnor is therefore refuted on his first claim.” … A Matrix/DNA diz: ” Sim, Mayers esta certo. A criatura Aplysia vai ser tocada pelo desagradavel estimulo e imediatamente vai reacionar um registro de sistema-sinapse que tem em si no qual houve aquele mesmo estimulo, assim como sempre quando chega o RNA-m que tem o codigo para a proteina X no DNA vai acionar imediatamente os genes que produzem aquele contra-codigo. Mayers esta certo quando diz que esta sinapse-sistema que tem um particular e expecifica configuracao, como comprimento de onda, densidade de onda, etc., aparece nos nossos instrumentos de observacao como sinapses alongadas, etc. Mas Egnor esta certo quando diz que esta sinapse sistema `e uma coisa psicologica que nao esta estocada no cerebro, porque ela esta estocada no embriao que o cerebro, no papel de um ovo, contem dentro de si. Acontee que memorias sao fotons interconectados formando ondas de luz original a qual `e um salto mutante evolutivo em ralacao ao cerebro biologico assim como os sistemas biologicos foram um salto mutante evolutivo em realacao aos sistemas astronomicos e atomicos.” ( Porem, enquanto nao desenvolvermos nossos instrumentos cientificos e nao captar-mos a dimensao desta luz original, nao tenho como provar que essa nova forma de sistema luminifero existe, e entao… fico quieto reafirmando que tenho apenas uma teoria). Myers diz: ” This imaginary engram search story only makes sense if you assume dualism and that memory is co-dependent on finding a memory in a disorganized heap, and as Egnor points out, it doesn’t work. By his own reasoning, his model fails.” Matrix/DNA: Sim, as memorias nao estao espalhadas, desorganizadas, como rodinhas de luz esfericas misturadas, pois elas foram surgindo dentro de uma sequencia cronologica, ` medida que a vida do individuo ia avancando no tempo. Assim como os dados para as proteinas naos estas espalhadas, desorganizadas no DNA. Mas existe um certo dualism, uma certa separacao entre o eu consciente e a massa cerebral, assim como existe uma certa separacao entre o corpo da mae gravida e o corpo do embriao que ela carrega dentro de si. Myers diz: ” I suspect that these silly ideas of his are a product of a fear of mortality. If the mind is a product of the brain, when the brain dies, the mind dies, too; there is no afterlife… There must be a Magical Spiritual Essence that is working through the meat in your head to produce you…” Matrix/DNA: Sim, o erro de criacionistas (  penso que Egnor ‘e cristao criacionista pois adota as ideias de Sao Tomas) `e  – apesar de ter uma intuicao certeira de que existe vida do Eu apos a morte do cerebro ( Segundo sugere a Matrix/DNA Theory) – precisar apelar para produtos da imaginacao nunca confirmados como fatos, como a possivel existencia de espirituais magicos. O cerebro`e um ovo, o Eu `e  mente-embriao sendo gestada dentro do ovo. Todo ovo ” morre” desaparece, se quebra, ao dar vida livre ao ser que contem. Nao precisa-se de magicas, nem de entidades supernaturais. E o erro de materialistas/ateus como penso ser Myers ‘e manterem-se cegos para o fato que embrioes nao morrem quando ovos morrem, … talvez porque tambem se esquecem que quem produz os embrioes nao sao os ovos e sim o codigo genetico que foi inserido dentro do ovo. Meu Deus…! Este pessoal causa uma confusao totalmente desnecessaria… Um ponto afirmativo para minha teoria vem deste comentario no artigo do …. ”

f Nas palavras da Matrix/DNA, isto seria: os fragmentos irradiados pelos objetos ou pela luz refletida pelos objetos sao captados pelo cerebro e codificados usando fotons. Estes codigos vao para o mesmo lugar onde ficam registradas todas as sinapses ocorridas na vida o cerebro, todos os pensamentos, e este lugar compost por fotons, que sao as particulas da luz, tende a se firmar cada vz mais como um corpo de luz. Este corpo de luz `e o que o cerebro como placenta e ovo esta gerando e ao qual nos chamamos de ment ou auto-consciencia. Outro fator que m ajuda, neste comentario: … Our memories could not possibly be stored. Suppose I try to remember something. I don’t have to hold it in my mind, I can write it down in a notebook. So my memory is stored there. Later on I look in my notebook in order to retrieve my memory. But wait! How do I understand what I’ve written down? I have to be able to remember the meanings of the words I’ve written down. So I would need to make a 2nd lot of notes in order to remember the meaning of the words composing the first lot of notes. But this process just goes on without end. That is to say we get an infinite regress. So saying our memories are stored is explanatorily vacuous. Portanto, a estocagem de memoria no computador ` e acumulativa e linear, enquanto no cerebro `e superposicao quantica.

FIM DO MEU ARTIGO

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Notas do artigo:

…  of memories can certainly be stored. Synapses can be altered in ways that correlate more or less with learning, and we can write “mumbles” on scraps of paper and stuff the scraps in our pockets. And no doubt that is the kind of thing Myers means by invoking storage of memories, sort of. No one doubts that the brain can store representations or at least things that seem like representations — proteins and dendritic arrays and electrochemical gradients and the like. – If Myers believes that there is only one level of explanation for memory, then he believes either: 1) psychological memory is the same thing as the spatial arrangement of axons and dendrites, etc. or 2) psychological memory is folk psychology that doesn’t really exist, and all that exists is spatial arrangement of axons and dendrites, etc.

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Pesquisa

1) Engramas :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engram_(neuropsychology)E are means by which memory traces are stored as biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain (and other neural tissue) in response to external stimuli. They are also sometimes thought of as a biological neural network or fragment of memory, sometimes using a hologram analogy to describe its action in light of results showing that memory appears not to be localized in the brain. The existence of engrams is posited by some scientific theories to explain the persistence of memory and how memories are stored in the brain. The existence of neurologically defined engrams is not significantly disputed, though their exact mechanism and location has been a focus of persistent research for many decades. ( Ver mais) – (Wiki = Engram) The consensus view in neuroscience is that the sorts of memory involved in complex tasks are likely to be distributed among a variety of neural systems, yet certain types of knowledge may be processed and contained in specific regions of the brain

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http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/12/15/ready-to-lose-a-few-brain-cells-you-wont-need-them-apparently/comment-page-1/#comment-893669

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Louis C. Morelli – on 24 Dec 2014 at 7:13 am – this comment is awaiting moderation.

O cérebro estoca, armazena, memórias? Sim e não. A resposta depende do relativo ponto de vista de cada observador. Para explicar isso vamos recorrer a uma analogia. O corpo de uma mulher gravida armazena as informações/memórias que entram direto no corpo do feto que ela carrega dentro de si? Sim, porque de qualquer maneira as informações estão dentro do corpo da mãe; não, pois quando o embrião nascer levará estas informações consigo. Se um macro-observador vendo o corpo da mãe de fora para dentro, dirá que sim; mas se um micro-observador situado dentro do feto e olhando de dentro para fora, dirá que não. Esta não é uma mera e acidental analogia, porque o que acontece com uma mulher gravida tem o mesmo significado existencial do que está acontecendo com o cérebro humano que está produzindo o que chamamos de “mente”, ou “auto-consciência”. Os dois casos são “ondas” da evolução cosmológica. É um processo universal ocorrendo a cada vez que uma nova forma de sistema natural emerges. Assim, neste novo salto evolucionário, quando a Natureza está produzindo esta nova espécie de sistema natural, o cérebro faz o papel de placenta/amnion, a caixa óssea craniana faz o de “ovo”, e o feto sendo gestado é a auto-consciência. Portanto, supomos que quando o “ovo” deixa de existir, libera ou nasce a auto-consciência que leva consigo todas as memórias do individuo.

Porque a entrada de nova informação/memória muda ou produz novas configurações de sinapses e fosforização? As quais são observadas ao nível das proteínas no cérebro? Proteínas são a contra-parte biológica do fluxo de informação que corre dentro de todo  circuito sistêmico, como podemos ver nas fórmulas da Matrix/DNA Theory. Se existem cerca de 20.000 proteínas é porque o circuito sistêmico é dividido em 20.000 pedaços, cada proteína traduz um trecho do circuito. Assim, este novo sistema a que denominamos “mente”, composto por uma substancia ainda desconhecida ( plasma-fótons?) e emergindo desde o cérebro está sendo construído por proteínas no nível químico, o qual produz as sinapses no nível energético. Qualquer estimulo externo produz um novo pensamento,os quais são micro-sistemas que se desenvolvem obedecendo o processo do ciclo vital. Normalmente, qualquer pensamento nasce, cresce, amadurece, degenera e morre, porem antes é registrado como building block do feto mental. Normalmente, todos os pensamentos devem obedecerem a mesma configuração sináptica da fórmula da Matrix/DNA, mas os estímulos externos são absorvidos dentro do circuito,mudando ou produzindo nova variação. Estas variações no nível de fótons-plasma é o que denominamos “unidades de memória”. Mais informações e as fórmulas, podem serem vistas na “Teoria da Fórmula da Matrix/DNA Universal para Sistemas Naturais e Ciclos Vitais”.

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Louis C. Morelli – on 24 Dec 2014 at 7:13 am – this comment is awaiting moderation. 
Does the brain store memory? Yes and no, the answer depends on the observer’s relative point of view. To explain let’s use an analogy:
the body of a pregnant woman, stores information and memories that go directly into the body of the fetus she carries in? No, because this information will go with the embryo at birth; yes, because anyway, while the embryo is inside the mother’s body, this is a great deposit containing a smaller deposit. If a macro-observer looking at the mother’s body from the outside in, he would say “yes!”; if it is a micro-observer located within the fetus, looking from the inside out, will say “no!”. This is not merely an analogy, it is the waves of cosmological evolution. It is the universal process repeated every time that a new natural system emerges. So, in this new evolutionary jump, when Nature is producing a new natural system that we call “mind”, “consciousness”, etc., the brain represents the placenta/amnion, the skull is the egg, and the human mind or self-consciousness is still a fetus/embryo.

Why the input of information/memory changes and/or produces new configurations of synapses and phosphorylation? And it does so through proteins? Proteins are the biological counterpart of the flow of information running inside the systemic circuit, as we can see the formula at Matrix/DNA Theory. If there are 20.000 proteins, it means that the circuit is shared into 20.000 slices.

So, this new system composed by a still unknown substance ( plasma-photons?) emerging from the brain is built by proteins at chemical level, which produces synapses at energetic level. Any external stimulus produces a new thought, which are systems being built by the process of life’s cycle. Normally, any thought is born, grows, becomes mature, degenerates and dies, but it is registered as building block of the “mind”. Normally all thoughts must obeys the same configuration of the Matrix/DNA universal formula for natural systems, but the external stimulus is absorbed inside the circuit, changing and producing a new variation. This absorption, at “plasma-photon level” is what we call “memory”. More informations and formulas can be seen at “The Universal Matrix/DNAs’ formulas for Natural Systems and Life’s Cycles Theory”.

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  1. LykeX

    @louismorelli
    Maybe you’re used to people being impressed by you throwing around fancy words, but around here, we know better. I mean, just take a sentence like this:

    So, this new system composed by a still unknown substance ( plasma-photons?) emerging from the brain is built by proteins at chemical level, which produces synapses at energetic level.

    It’s gibberish. It doesn’t mean anything. You’re just stringing together words that you clearly don’t understand, hoping we’ll be too intimidated to call you out on it. It’s utterly transparent, and really rather sad.

    If you’re genuinely interested in this subject, I suggest you educate yourself from real science textbooks, rather than listening to whatever screwball websites that served you this pile of shit.

    Minha resposta:

    Lol… several posts criticizing my post, thanks to everybody for helping me testing my theory and bringing on useful informations.

    To LikeX: “

    So, this new system composed by a still unknown substance ( plasma-photons?) emerging from the brain is built by proteins at chemical level, which produces synapses at energetic level.

    It’s gibberish. It doesn’t mean anything. You’re just stringing together words that you clearly don’t understand, hoping we’ll be too intimidated to call you out on it. It’s utterly transparent, and really rather sad.”

    Matrix/DNA answer: “LikeX, Nature does not care if you believe or not in its natural formulas, like VSI ( Variation, Selection, Inheritance), and it does not care if you does not like the results from its formulas, like VSI producing the transformations of amoebas into monkeys and monkeys into humans.Then the Matrix/DNA natural formula is suggesting that is occurring the emergence of a new shape of system produced by the brain. The brain was built by and upon that formula, like all others natural systems, so, we are supposing that this new system called “mind” is following the same systemic configuration – and there are lots of evidences favouring this hypothesis. . . We have discovered that below all natural systems and the first shape of Matrix’s formula was merely a natural wave of light,but, them, we discovered also that there are lots of secrets in this waves, included the code for life’s cycles, like you can see our graphic for the electric-magnetic spectrum of light. So, we are supposing that the bombardment of synapses is building a kind of hologram which substance is this natural light, like a mirror reflecting and storing each set of synapses of each thought.

    Like Darwin suggested the existence of VSI, and scientifically we are testing and accumulating evidences for his formula, now I am suggesting the existence of the Matrix/DNA formula, waiting more data from science for testing it. Yours post have no one real proved natural fact against my post, and… nature does not care about our opinions.

  2. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

    LM

    Yes and no,

    Beyond this point is unscientific and unevidenced bullshit. Memories are in the bioware of the brain. Evidence otherwise, not mentally wank about it. Unevidence speculation is dismissed.

    Minha resposta:

    To Nerd of Redhead:

    Yes and no,

    Beyond this point is unscientific and unevidenced bullshit. Memories are in the bioware of the brain. Evidence otherwise, not mentally wank about it. Unevidence speculation is dismissed.

    Matrix/DNA answer: I can’t understand why you are asking more evidence for my theory than to those saying yes and those saying no. While Neurology does not discover how neurons are related to thoughts, nobody have proofs of anything. We are debating theories here because its good when more brains with different approaches to the problem, thinks together. I am accumulating tons of evidences but searching facts that could debunk my theory also. . The unique way for you proving to me that memories are in the bioware of brains is opening a brain and showing to me the image of my died grandmother stored there… But, my theory is suggesting that yours theory is good and rational also…

  3. Nick Gotts

    So, in this new evolutionary jump, when Nature is producing a new natural system that we call “mind”, “consciousness”, etc., the brain represents the placenta/amnion, the skull is the egg, and the human mind or self-consciousness is still a fetus/embryo. – loiusmorelli@89

    And the liver? What about the liver? I think it’s the liver which produces the photo-plasmons that then get turned into plasma-photons by the spleen. Or possibly the pineal gland.

    Minha resposta:

    To Nick Gotts:

    Are you joking? There is a universal formula for all natural systems, and we can see this formula as template of lots of parts of a human body. So, the human body is lots of systems and micro systems of systems… the brain ( with its spinal medulae) alone is a system, and opened system. The liver belongs to the “thorax” system and its systemic function is cleaning systems, like lysosomes does it at cell’s level and black holes does it at astronomical level. If there were livers in the brain, all memories would be immediately cleaned out…

  4. Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

    @ louismorelli 89

    Does the brain store memory? Yes and no…

    What does this mean functionally? What are you referring to as “information”?

    Also pregnant mothers do indeed store environmental information in the unborn (through various hormones and other messengers) and that information is simultaneously stored for themselves. The information is different in that it shapes basic instinctual drives and carries no specifics like images or sounds, but it is still there.

    Minha resposta:

    To Brony: Didn’t you understand that this is a relativistic question? I will try something else: The brain stores informations from human body and external stimulus that affects the human body for all its own existence. But, when it is about informations from the external world that is stored “psychologically” and used for thoughts, it is another level of matter’s organization that stores it, related to thing that the brain is creating and nurturing. In another words: the brain is the hardware and this new brain’s production is the software. But, if you does not know my graphic for a electric-magnetic spectrum of light you will not understand why I am suggesting that this software is a new level of matter’s organization. The final results of all synapses is a cloud of light waves enclosed, encoded inside a bubble…

    Yes, also the mother’s body stores some informations that arrives to the fetus, but, those related to the automatic nervous system.

    This is not merely an analogy…

    On one level you have some accuracy. Metabolic processes, cells, tissues, organs and organisms are hierarchically stacked and integrated (at different levels) in patterns that give us information about what the past was like. But none of our ancestors were in any sense like fetuses or embryos in such a grand sense. That implies a goal for evolution that is simply anthropomorphism.

    Minha resposta:

    Bony, thanks for helping me to self-analysing the results of my theory. You need be patient because despite I am an American citizen, English is not my native language, so, I don’t know if I am grasping yours posts…

    I am not talking that there is analogy in the sense you understood it. The analogy between embryogenesis of humans and the embryogenesis of “consciousness” is the analogy between the processes used at these events. Both events are developed by same process, same mechanisms. Please, take a minute and go to see the figure of a nude human brain with its tail, the spinal medulae. Are you seeing that this image is same image when a spermatozoon penetrates an ovule, still with its tail outside? It means that human consciousness is still a blastulae or a fetus, recently emerged by fecundation, a fetus of ( I suppose) a big universal consciousness. That’s is evident when you notice that both images are the same event.

    Yes, all our ancestors, from atoms systems to galactic systems to monkeys, have their simplest shape of embryogenesis process, which process is under evolution also.  But… you only can see this wonderful fact if you knows the formula that nature have used for creating all existent natural systems…

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    Why the input of information/memory changes and/or produces new configurations of synapses and phosphorylation?

    Because molecular and cellular biology. We have some of the details.

    Minha resposta:

    Yes, it is merely molecular/cellular biology. But where molecular/cellular biology came from? Or are you suggesting that the very fact that “when a new information is absorbed by a system” is a process created by terrestrial molecules and biological cells?! No, my friend, I am seeing this process occurring at the whole Universe and since the Big Bang…

    xxxx

    And it does so through proteins?

    Indisputably.

    Proteins are the biological counterpart of the flow of information running inside the systemic circuit, as we can see the formula at Matrix/DNA Theory. If there are 20.000 proteins, it means that the circuit is shared into 20.000 slices.

    You will need to unpack that. Why are proteins not “information”? What is this “circuit” and “matrix” you speak of? When you use different language to describe what is in textbooks you need to explain yourself more than this.

    Minha resposta:

    Yes, Brony, I understand that talking short in this way it is difficult for you understand it. But there is no another way for writing it, I can’t explain a whole world view developed during 30 years of hard work here. Proteins are just that: informations… for building parts of biological systems. Maybe you will understand the phrase above, looking to the Matrix/DNA formula for natural systems, at my website. At this formula, a system has a spheric flow connecting its parts. This system is built by Nature when the life’s cycles dynamic process penetrates inertial mass or inanimate object. The penetration is made by waves of natural light, which has the code for life’s cycles process. Then, when this formula built the first biological complete system ( a biological cell) using terrestrial atoms and chemistry, this spheric circuit becomes the whole set of proteins. So, try to see proteins running inside the spherical circuit of that formula, building the parts. That’s why when our body needs to repair or rebuilding any cellular organelle or any flow of energy of any bodies’system or sub-systems, the body sends an RNA asking it to DNA, where the whole system is encoded.

    xxxx

    So, this new system composed by a still unknown substance ( plasma-photons?) emerging from the brain is built by proteins at chemical level, which produces synapses at energetic level. Any external stimulus produces a new thought, which are systems being built by the process of life’s cycle.

    The system is not “new”, it was always there. Synapses are extensions of protein studded bags of phospholipids, what does “energetic level” have to do with it?

    Minha resposta:

    If it is not new, you need show to me where is the mind or consciousness at amoebas, lizards… at all ours ancestors. Wait, I will explain… The self-aware state is not new in relation to superior species of animals, which are natural systems. But atoms and galaxies and cells are natural systems also, and they are our ancestors also. In relation to these inferior systems, the set of thoughts produced by our brains ( and maybe by another superior animals) is a new shape, never existed before, here, at this time/space of the Universe where we are located as observers. But you are right, relativistically right. because it is not a new natural system, it is merely a new shape of a universal system that have been under evolution since the Big Bang. They are a unique system because you can see that all these systems have as template the same natural formula. Any natural system is composed by hardware and software. The software was sleeping at atoms, dreaming at galaxies, began waking up at plants and inferior animals and now is lifting up ( as a fetus yet) inside the human brains… and lots of other places in this Universe. So, the mind system is not new, it is came to light now, like any baby at birth, but it is older than the Universe…
    I mean by energetic level the signals captured by MRI as final results of synapses. Maybe my fault…

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    Normally, any thought is born, grows, becomes mature, degenerates and dies, but it is registered as building block of the “mind”.

    Thoughts are sub-parts of the stream of consciousness. They are assembled and lead to new thoughts as pieces are arranged with memory and/or perception differently. Thoughts are combinations of parts and “die” in the same sense as a particular configuration of a Rubiks Cube “dies” when you twist things around. Memories can be said to “die” if they are altered relative to when they were stored (and many many are).

    Normally all thoughts must obeys the same configuration of the Matrix/DNA universal formula for natural systems, but the external stimulus is absorbed inside the circuit, changing and producing a new variation. This absorption, at “plasma-photon level” is what we call “memory”. More informations and formulas can be seen at “The Universal Matrix/DNAs’ formulas for Natural Systems and Life’s Cycles Theory”.

    Seriously, you need to define:
    *Matrix/DNA formula
    *circuit (in the context of brains, minds, perception and memory)
    *plasma-photon level
    *Natural Systems and Life’s Cycles Theory

    Minha resposta:

    Brony, Charles Darwin spent four years at the hell of the tropics observing the smallest details of species for enforcing his idea about evolution, and spent another 30 years for writing as book. I am not a genius like Darwin but what I did you can do it too. I spent seven years at the heart of Amazon jungle observing the whole biosphere trying to share it in its systemd and searching the connections among this systems for enforcing my idea of universal macro-evolution, linking cosmological to biological evolution. And I discovered that my job was hundred times more complex than Darwin’s job. Of course: it is not about putting biological species in an evolutionary tree of life, starting from archaea, protozoa, etc. Here I am inserting galaxies, atoms, etc, as species before archaea and protozoa… the tree has grown too much… I have spent my last 25 years trying to put everything in a book but everyday the Matrix/DNA formula is leading me to discover new important things that need be inserted in the book as evidences, etc. , and I can’t do it alone. So,I am throwing chaotically slices of the theory in my website.

    What’s the Matrix/DNA formula? Answering it shortly: Try to see the DNA as the formula for all living beings ( please does not go to details like virus are made by RNA, etc). Try to see a living being as a system. Now try to see the DNA as the formula for all biological systems. Ok? But… what about atomic systems/ Astronomic systems? They are our ancestors like reptiles and mammals are. Yes they have a formula also, and this formula is another shapes of this DNA. When you put all shapes in a unique shape, you get the universal Matrix formula. This formula is at my website. Did you understand it?

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Rob Grigjanis

Universal Matrix? This got anything to do with David Icke? Maybe that’s another matrix.

Minha resoposta:

louismorelli

Rob Grigjanis
Universal Matrix? This got anything to do with David Icke? Maybe that’s another matrix.

No, Rob,I didn’t know David when was discovering the Matrix/DNA at the jungle 25 years ago. I have now seeing something about David’s matrix and my conclusion is: David has a good intuition but is doing a jump at the size of the Universe, seeing the final product at metaphysical level, and interpreting lots of things in a wrong way. I called Matrix when discovering that the unit of information of DNA is the code for building atomic and astronomical systems, so, DNA is everywhere in this Universe. But DNA is merely an evolutionary and biological product coming from a universal formula, which, I think, the appropriate name should be Matrix/DNA. And I am dealing with the formula as a theory, yet. There is no metaphysics here, everything is merely a description of the long chain of causes and effects that began with the Big Bang , becoming more and more complex till arriving to us as its last product

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Plasma (from Greek πλάσμα, “anything formed”[1]) is one of the four fundamental states of matter, the others being solidliquid, and gas.

David Marjanović

a still unknown substance ( plasma-photons?)

This is what “plasma” means. First learn what words mean, then use them – not the other way around.

David, you are right, I was wrong. I knew that Physics considers plasma as the fourth state of matter, so, since that the Matrix formula is suggesting that this new system emerging from the brain is a new state of matter, I precipitated took the name, plasma, and have no time yet for researching this issue. But, the plasma described by Physics’ perspective ( I saw it now following yours link) is an antique evolutionary state of matter and matrix is telling about the last evolutionary shape… about which I make no idea what is it. This state must be something like light reflected and captured in a cloud. Plasma  is one of the four fundamental states of matter, the others being solidliquid, and gas.

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Minha resposta para Saad:

louismorelli

Saad
louismorelli, #97
like VSI producing the transformations of amoebas into monkeys and monkeys into humans
Oh dear.

What I said that is wrong here?!

We have discovered that below all natural systems and the first shape of Matrix’s formula was merely a natural wave of light,but, them, we discovered also that there are lots of secrets in this waves, included the code for life’s cycles.

We did? What a “code of life’s cycles” and can you cite that discovery? Sounds like a pretty huge discovery so you should be able to find sources very easily. Wikipedia for some reason has avoided including an entry on such a monumental truth.

Can you cite the discovery that lions appreciates to eat humans? No, because it was so obvious. Same reason I will not cite the discovery that natural light waves has the code for imprint the dynamics of life’s cycle into inertial mass. It is so obvious. But if you can’t see it, look at my website a figure/graphic called “The electromagnetic spectrum by Matrix/DNA Theory”

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louismorelli

chigau (違う)
louismorelli

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Thanks again, man. I need learning these details about computers because at the jungle we have no other way and time for learning it. The content of Matrix/DNA Theory embraces the whole Universe so, I am very busy with it. I will go back to USA and will pay the next beer… Cheers…

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Minha respiosta para a-ray

  1. louismorelli

    a_ray_in_dilbert_space
    24 December 2014 at 10:36 am
    Louis Morelli,
    Dude, what you have is not a theory. What you have is a mental wankjob–which unfortunately is too messy to clean up with a kleenex. Do come back when you have some testable predictions based on your theory.

    A-Ray: Yes I have a theory, that explains all natural phenomenas from the Big Bang to nowadays from a unique line of logics. But I am not a scientist and my theory is not “scientific”, as the advice at the first phrase of my website. I am a naturalist philosopher researching at the field ( Amazon jungle) and mine is theory as the Greek philosophers sense of the word. The word theory does not belongs to academic Sciences, it was coined by the Greeks, I am not culprit that modern sciences took it in a wrong way. I am not dealing with Science, or any other human creations, I am dealing with Nature, only that. Yes, the Matrix/DNA Theory has being tested for 25 years and have been right at thousands of its predictions. But, as a theory, can be totally debunked and it will, but I am waiting from you any real natural proved fact for that…

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louismorelli

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite
@louismorelli
OK. I’m not sure if you are quoting in some of this. After you say “Matrix/DNA answer: ” are you quoting someone? For the purposes of this answer I am going to assume that quotation mark was in error.>

Brony, Everything I am talking here is from my interpretation of Matrix/DNA Theory worldview, formulas and logistics. Personally, I have no opinions and no beliefs in this theory that the jungle told to me. But I know all theories today and I still think that this theory is the best due its logics, rationality and right predictions. So, these answers is not from Louis Morelli but from a theory and I brought it here because the suggestions that the brains stores information or that the brains does not stores informations are theories also. Matrix/DNA is a third alternative here: yes and no, at the same time. This issue is a relativistic issue.

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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@louismorelli
OK. I’m not sure if you are quoting in some of this. After you say “Matrix/DNA answer: ” are you quoting someone? For the purposes of this answer I am going to assume that quotation mark was in error.

Nature does not care if you believe or not in its natural formulas, like VSI ( Variation, Selection, Inheritance), and it does not care if you does not like the results from its formulas, like VSI producing the transformations of amoebas into monkeys and monkeys into humans.

I asked you what those things meant. I don’t have to care if you can’t actually describe the meaning of the technical terms you are using, and provide and example of the research that uses them.

That paper that I linked showing that protein is required for memory formation? I’m quite willing to discuss the contents and the meaning of all technical terms if you are willing to do the same. If you can not do this why should anyone converse with you?

I need your version of this or there is no point in paying attention to anything you are saying.
cite>NeuroLex.org is a freely editable semantic wiki for community-based curation of the terms used in Neuroscience.

I am suggesting the existence of the Matrix/DNA formula, waiting more data from science for testing it. Yours post have no one real proved natural fact against my post, and… nature does not care about our opinions.

You are not suggesting, you are asserting via your “…nature does not care about our opinions…”. I have yet to see why your view of nature means anything.

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Brony: Okey let’s go try to fix this:

I said To LikeX:
“So, this new system composed by a still unknown substance ( plasma-photons?) emerging from the brain is built by proteins at chemical level, which produces synapses at energetic level.

LikeX answered: It’s gibberish. It doesn’t mean anything. You’re just stringing together words that you clearly don’t understand, hoping we’ll be too intimidated to call you out on it. It’s utterly transparent, and really rather sad.”

I said: “LikeX, Nature does not care if you believe or not in its natural formulas, like VSI ( Variation, Selection, Inheritance), and it does not care if you does not like the results from its formulas, like VSI producing the transformations of amoebas into monkeys and monkeys into humans.Then the Matrix/DNA natural formula is suggesting that is occurring the emergence of a new shape of system produced by the brain.

And now you says: I asked you what those things meant. I don’t have to care if you can’t actually describe the meaning of the technical terms you are using, and provide and example of the research that uses them…. see NeuroLex…

My answer: I am talking about formation of new natural system due Matrix/DNA is suggesting that “mind” or “counciousness”, is a natural system under formation. So, the “mind” is taking the shape of the universal formula for natural systems, like all system in this Universe. Before this issue belonging to the field of Neuroscience, it belongs to the field of Universal Evolution. So the technical terms searched by the great enterprise that is NeuroLex does not apply on this issue, while we are talking about universal evolution. Neuroscience is a reductionism here, applied only to brains as systems. But… wait, if you are in the neuroscience business, you could beneficiate from paying some attenption to Matrix/DNA.

I will cite one. The brain is a system built upon the Matrix formula. So, I already have located several systemic features in the brain using this formula. The elements of the brain like the glands are disposed in a linear sequence determined by the formula and the functions of each element is determined by the formula. Now… the “mind” is merely a projection, a kind of mirror of the brain as a system. If you know how works the brain as a system, you can look to the synapses and others data being obtained by Neuroscience for calculating how the mind is being formed as a system. This is a great opportunity for you, a great jump in our knowledge about brains, psychology, mind, consciousness, etc.  But, then, you will need to familiarize with terms that are being created now, because this is a new and very different approach. I am trying to find names for these things pointed out by the Matrix formula and you could help here.

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louismorelli

Nick Gotts
Piss off, liar. You have not “located several systemic features in the brain using this formula”. If you had, you would (a) be able to describe these “systemic features” in detail, and (b) already be famous for your achievements.

Relax, Nick, today is Christmas and I will give to you the best gift of the world: learn how to get an evolutionary mental jump. Wait, I will explain…
The first feature seen at brains that it is produced by Matrix/DNA formula is the the division between left and right hemispheres, having the corpus callosum in between and the cerebral cortex above them. My problem is that I can not bring the Matrix formula here, so, I can’t tell you: put the figure of Matrix side by side with the figure of the brain and immediately see how they are the same image. You need pick up the formula from my website for doing that. So…
1) The matrix formula is shared into left and right face. The circuit’s flow of energy/informations begins at F1 ( the hippocampus), goes to F2, till F4 and here the flow is shared into two flows. F4 is the final of the left face and the cerebral cortex is representing it at brains’level. One flow is a lateral blanch advancing internally to F1 and the other flow continues the spheric circuit going to F7/F1. This is the right face. F4 is the universal function that builts the male function for reproduction process, and this function is carried on by the internal flow as F5.
Every external stimulus that triggers a thought began this circuit, going first by the left hemisphere till reaching the cortex ( F4). And here is yours problem that make things like not seeing natural light waves as the first origins of the vital principle in this Universe. It happens that when the flow of yours thoughts arrives to the cerebral cortex, they does not continues the pathway towards F7. A thought able to do that is a complete thought, embracing the whole thing, translating the real Nature and this world. Instead, yours thoughts are middle-thoughts, because they are cutted at the middle, and from the cortex they takes the internal lateral branch going back to the hippocampus.

The left hemisphere, you knows, is the field of critical thinking about the immediate time and space, while the right H. is expanding this limited horizons, it is the reign of holistic understanding. But yours thoughts stands as circular reasoning only in the left H. You never makes an incursion to the right H. world. Poor man! You will be a very practical surviving man, very good for earning money, good for scientific reductionism, for maths… etc., but…

Have you read the book or watched that video about a neurologist scientist that had a stroke in the left H.? I don’t remember names ( this is a problem for those that practise using the right H also), And she is saying that with only the right H working, she saw everything as light? The whole space, our bodies everything is a new dimension in the reign of light.

But, if you have not trained yours thoughts for trespassing the corpus callosum and penetrating the right H. the very fact that light waves imprints the code for life cycles into matter will not be obvious for you. Sorry… But still you have time: meditation, imagining the circuit flow of synapses entering the right H. and you will get it…

Notice: I never saw light waves imprinting its own sequential dynamics into mass, I am not a liar. But, I have noticed that light waves exhibits the same process of life’s cycles that my own body does because I have trained for grasping these signals from Nature.

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  1. louismorelli

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
    louismorelli, the one question you must answer, is “what would it take for you to acknowledge your idea is refuted?”. Cranks cannot/will not answer that question.

    1) A real proved and known fact or event occurring or occurred in the Universal Nature that is outside of the stream of the whole Universal Natural History described by Matrix/DNA Theory;
    2) A real proved fact or event found in Nature that can prove that Biological Evolution had an spontaneous origin and is not merely a sequitur of Cosmological Evolution as believed by materialists/atheists;
    3) A real proved fact or event occurring in Nature that could prove that Life, biological evolution is not a merely sequitur from cosmological evolution and had a spontaneous origin by the interference of supernatural forces, like gods and so on, as believed by creationists/deists.

    MatriX/DNA Theory is a description of the Natural Universal History from the Big Bang to consciousness following a unique line of logics: the development of a cosmic process of genetic reproduction of the unknown ex-machine “natural” system that was existing before the Big Bang and produced this Universe. Bring on over the table only one real fact that fills up only one of the three conditions above… and matrix/DNA theory will go to the garbage. But, since that never, in any nation or time of human history, somebody published this kind of world view, while you does not bring the mortal fact, I will keep testing and researching nature until my last day. Because the state of the world, the kind of social system, existing here was very bad for my life and I believe that the moral code emerging from this world view and the new source for technology suggested by Matrix/DNA formulas and models are the best for a better life for our next generations, which is the supreme reason of my life here. That’s it…

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  2. louismorelli

    Brony, Social Justice Cenobite
    @louismorelli

    That paper that I linked showing that protein is required for memory formation? I’m quite willing to discuss the contents and the meaning of all technical terms if you are willing to do the same. If you can not do this why should anyone converse with you?

    Brony, I said since the first post that Matrix/DNA models are suggesting that proteins are required for memory storage in the brain and you keep repeating this issue as if Matrix/DNA does not agree with you . I think this problem is due my poor English, sorry. I will try to write what Matrix models suggests,describing its version of the origins of proteins:

    At 3,5 billion years ago there was no organic matter and biological systems (organisms) in this planet. The Planet’s surface was bombarded “non-biological genes-bits/information” coming from two sources a) from the Sun which have informations of the right face of matrix/DNA universal formula for natural systems; b) from the Earth’s nucleus, which have information of the left face of that formula. These bits-information are photons emitted by the astronomical system under entropy, which makes a system being fragmented in its smaller bits, and each bit is a unit of information from the system. The total set of these bits is the total information of the system, which is degenerating, “dying”. In other words, the bits coming from the Sun ( and other sources of cosmological radiation) plays the role of chromosome Y and the other half of bits coming from planet’s nucleus radiation represents the chromosome X. The whole set of bits-information represents the astronomical DNA of the astronomical system, which is an evolutionary state of Matrix/DNA universal formula for natural systems.

    These photons-bits penetrates terrestrial atoms till reaching its particles, then, they get the control of the atom machinery, driving them to new kind of atomic connections. These connections are driving with a purpose: the bits-photons has the tendency to joining with their antique neighbours bits-photons when they were composing the astronomical system. So, the final result of this connections should be a reproduction, a copy, of the astronomical system. But, the astronomical system was formed with only two states of matter – solid and gaseous – and at earth surface the bits meet a third state – the liquid state. By another hand, the environment at a planet surface is different from the empty space when the astronomical space was formed, differences of gravitational forces, etc. So, the resulting copy here will suffer severe mutations, the liquid state will bring the novelty of organic chemistry reactions, and Biology will born. The Carbon atom will be the selected atom for occupying the center of the first organic compounds because the carbon having six protons/electrons is the atom that best reproduces the Matrix’ formula.

    After infinite numbers of tentatives and billions years, the right amino acids will be formed and appears the first real copy of the astronomical system, which is a lateral base-pair of nucleotides. This is a real and complete and functional organic copy of Matrix/DNA formula. This is the Solar System and the Milk Way “DNA” that falls over Earth.

    The production of nucleotides systems produces a kind of biofilm which produces the projection of the small system into a big system as copy of itself. For doing this bigger shape of the system is necessary to install the systemic circuit and building the working parts. For doing that the aminoacids are arranged into “biggers aminoacids” which we call “proteins”. Each protein is made by the photons inside particles inside atoms, photons that were neighbours at astronomical level. Each protein is the organic counterpart of each slice of the whole formula’s circuit. An from here, we will arrive to the first complete working biological system: a complete cell’s system.

    So, from the last more evolved species – which was astronomical systems – cosmological evolution suffered a severe mutation from closed into opened systems and became biological, a big evolutionary jump as those appreciated by Gould.

    Now, after 3,5 years, another big cosmological evolutionary jump is occurring: another state of matter is being formed and it is producing a new shape of this evolving natural system. The occurrence is happening inside humans head and the new shape of this system is called “mind” or “consciousness”, or another name you like it. Nature is being translated, is being reproduced in its entirety into this new shape of system and again, the vehicle of this information must be photons, I think. Memories, thoughts, etc, are data being arranged, organized and the first level of this organization is again, thought proteins. So,yes, proteins are required for memory storage. But, don’t forget that must be there more and more dimensions of matter that we still does not grasp them, String theory is suggesting 11 dimensions. So, this new organization happens at several layers of dimensions and protein is the dimension at the bottom of this process. Tanks if you could read something about matrix/DNA Theory and more thanks yet if you can criticize it, because everything here is merely a theory under testing against real proved natural facts.

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    louismorelli

    Dalillama, Schmott Guy
    louismorelli
    Congratulations. You’ve reinvented the idea of ‘as above, so below’, a favorite of mystics and mountebanks of every stripe in dozens of cultures. It’s not any more accurate this time around, and if you’d been at all competent during your 30 years of ‘research’ you’d already know about it. Seriously, the New Age clowns chewed this cud over again not 20 years ago, and it’s still current in a dozen schools of ‘magik’ (if you have to ask why it’s spelled that way, you’re even more stunningly ignorant of the topic than you already look). Your theology has nothing new or interesting in it, and I’d bet that if you were honest about it you cribbed the most of it from the likes of Silver Ravenwolf, or possibly websites passing on variations of same.

    Congratulations, Dalai Lama. You didn’t get the real meaning of a single world at Matrix/DNA world view. I know those cultures since my infant times when I read thousands of books and every world vision produced by Humanity, and I didn’t agree with no one. That’s why I made the return of 180 grades on my artificial urban life and went to the heart of Amazon jungle, searching the real crude Nature for answers… and the jungle told me a never before imagined world view that is very logical and rational. By another hand, yours theology based on “as my teacher, as me” does not make sense for me. Yours teachers – Lawrence Krauss with his “Everything from Nothing” means also that “what is above, everything”is different below – or Dawkins with his “a bunch of atoms called genes have purposes, like spreading by reproduction the most possible ways”, or still Hawking “I see in the sky giant ghosts black holes that are evil and cannibal of whole worlds – were also my teachers teaching some scientific proved facts but not their fantastic nihilist doctrine.

    Just for yours information: In Matrix/DNA world view, everything above and in the past are different in relation to everything here and in the future just because everything changes under evolution.

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  3. louismorelli

    LykeX
    Oh, so that’s the actual formula? I sensed that the circle diagram was important, but I wasn’t sure quite how it fit in the system. Thanks.
    Louis:
    Why do you insist on using words that already have an established meaning? If you say “formula” when you don’t mean “formula”, people are bound to get confused. If you really think you’re on to something, you should probably put more effort into making sense.

    First) The definition of “formula”: a recipe or prescription giving method and proportions of ingredients for the preparation of all natural systems ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/formula )

    Second) You can’t understand the formula that is behind each moment of this universal evolution in a day, or one week, LykeX. It has take to me 25 years and everyday i am discovering new things in this formula. Does not wait a complex mathematical formula, because here you are dealing with the most powerful intelligence of this world – Nature – which is able to pass the Occan’s razor over all complexities and telling everything with one single diagram. This is the simplicity of this most complex possible formula. So, please do this:

    Go to http://theuniversalmatrix.com/pt-br/artigos/?p=8633

    First there is the “picture” of Matrix/DNA formula. Following, there is a second picture. Click on it for seeing it better. For understanding the initial things here, you need know that:

    Maos Pela Formula da MatrixDNA

    The agglomerate of galaxies that we call Universe is like an egg ( it is not an egg but I can’t explain here and now), where inside is occurring the evolution of a universal system. This evolution obeys the process of life’s cycles, which changes the shape of this system through time. These shapes are the spheres, each one with lines in a specific color. So, we have about six spheres, from the first shape of this system that was a light wave till the shape “Human Familiar System”. But, notice that each system has its parts formed by the same process of life’s cycle. So, the parts of these systems are arranged in the sequence that they were formed, like embryo>baby>child>teenager. Now a briefly help for you:

    a) At the Center, the system “human hands”, built by Matrix/DNA formula

    1) Blue Sphere: Atoms

    2) Yellow: Nucleotide lateral base pair

    3) Green: Light Wave

    4) Blue: Cell System

    5) Black: Astronomical Systems’ building block

    6) Red: Human Ideal Perfect Familiar System built by A Unique Human Body rolling under the process of Life Cycle

    This is the whole Universal natural History in a single picture. It is possible because this History was written by an unique author – the Matrix/DNA formula, which is also under evolution and began as a simple light wave. If you see something wrong, some element out of the time/space of the scientific academic theoretical history of this Universe, please tell me.

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    louismorelli

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
    Only in your delusional evidenceless mind. Drivel, lies, and bullshit without third party EVIDENCE. Everybody but you knows that. Which makes you a fool and crank.

    And I am still waiting from you a unique real known proved natural fact that debunks this theory. Or lots of facts that are still missing for you proving yours theory. I will cite some of them:
    1) My theory suggests that LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of all biological systems never lived at Earth surface but it still is alive in the sky. And the theory goes further showing a picture with the face of LUCA. But you saying that LUCA lived at Earth, so next to us and somuch easy for being hunted, you never produced neither a draw or project of his face… Where is it?
    2) Tell me the supernatural fact that help the Darwinian evolutionary formula convincing a female reptile that was putting eggs out for making the biggest sacrifice of keeping the eggs in and so, developing the extraordinary engeenary of pregnancy; ( Matrix/DNA formula have solved this problem 30 years ago);
    3) Where is the microscopic atom that had all matter and energy and like yours god could create this Universe…
    4) Where and how were all forces and elements that converged to Earth for creating biological systems, aka “life”, if yours astronomical standard model did not show neither one till now? But… Matrix/DNA Theory has already located in the sky, billions years before lifes origins all these elements and forces…
    And so on…
    By another hand, at my website I already wrote 1620 articles ( Portuguese) and most of them are related to evidences that I am discovering every day. But, don’t worry because I have still thousands of evidences written by hands that I will bring to the website…

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    louismorelli

    LykeX
    louismorelli:
    You have a simple choice before you. You can spend your life as a crank, convinced of your own superiority and wondering why everyone else is refusing to acknowledge it. Or you can start making actual sense.
    So, in the interest of helping you along with the second option, try this: Describe a practical prediction that follows from your “theory” and a method for testing it. The prediction should follow these criteria:
    1) It should be an actual prediction. I.e. something we don’t already know.
    2) It should be unique to your theory. I.e. it should be something that distinguishes your theory from every other idea out there.
    3) It should be practically testable, with an objective measure of success or failure. I.e. no “you have to feel it”, no “if you use your left hemisphere, it’s obvious”, no “the jungle will tell you the answer”.
    I’m sure a person as staggeringly intelligent and well-educated as yourself will recognize these as basic rules of proper scientific investigation and therefore have no objection to complying with them.

    .

    Very, very good, LikeX. Thanks a lot. I have copied yours “formula” into my files for studying it carefully. But, you need to understand that I am completely lost just now dye to much accumulated work. I am dealing with +- 50 different scientific fields, 500 opened chapters of thesis for research ( like last week I was studying depression because I have a relative with this problem then the formula is suggesting that needs an effort in adrenaline but with a new ingredient so I need the atomic composition of adrenaline following a predictive suggestion extracted from Matrix/DNA formula, but this research goes from adrenaline to the spectrum of Earth’s magnetic field making comparison with my interpretation of light waves which interfere in this magnetic field because the atomic composition of adrenaline must had followed the force of life’s cycle that I have detected in the periodic table of elements… because this field was operating when Nature built the secretive gland, etc…) It seems a big and lost salad but it is not: I deal with natural systems and any phocus upon any system opens the door to all others systems in the Universe and if you does not compose all connections you will not know in full what’s the object you have at hands. But, let’s forget this issue…
    Hundreds of suggestions for labs research suggested by a different and never tried before approach are the results of these opened chapters/thesis and all them are stopped half-way due my poor conditions, missing time and the technological apparatus and counselors from experts at each field. Let’s see an example just now, that is almost metaphysics but i remember it due I like it: about solving the problem of life’s origins.
    The Oparin’s final board of reductive atmosphere at life’s origins that was mimicked by Miller/Urey in lab resulted in production of some amino acids. They are not the right amino acids selected by Nature meaning that something is wrong in Oparin. But this is not the big problem. The problem is that those amino acids stopped their evolution at that point, being unable to transpass to the second step that must be the arrangement of them into proteins. Why? Looking for answers in Matrix/DNA formula and models, you get a suggestion: change the electric sparks applied by Urey by energy obtained from Earth’s nucleus radiation, which could be inside sulfa and other elements. You need drive this process obeying chirality and chirality is about the left face of matrix formula which tells that it must coming from bits-informations located at Earths’nuclei. Other possibility that must be tried is solar energy but accordingly to the formula, you could get proteins, but not chirality. By the way this research is opened not finished here yet because I need more data form Geologists and from astronomy for thinking about the ingredients used by Urey, because the formula could point out missing elements. How we will apply this energy upon the tubes, how we will reduce millions of years used by nature into few days used in labs, for nurturing the “soup” these are questions that can be solved.

    But we need practical results for problems just here and now, not about metaphysical life’s origins. Then I can show you a sample of practical research: go to my homepage and see the figure about “cholesterol”,click on the image. The Matrix formula suggests that the good cholesterol becomes bad cholesterol when an intruder from outside is entering by the wrong door in the circuit. it is the triglyceride HDL entering between immature VLDL and mature VLDL. I stopped this research here due missing time but for following it I need to trace the origins of this HDL, its chemical atomic composition for making comparisons with the right atomic composition suggested by the formula, etc. and etc, I need scientific data that experts knows it and could easily our job here.

    Then, I am very grateful by yours formula or recipe because now I can go back to this issues trying to put some order in it and writing suggestions for labs’ experiments.

    convinced of your own superiority,…

    My friend, i am convinced of my inferiority since my 3 years old when I lost my parents and my home and became nobody till today. The fact that my brain came out with this thing called Matrix/DNA world view does not is foundation for any filling of superiority because any man that do what I did will get the same or a better result. escaping from slavery I went to live alone in the jungle and any man doing that are able to do what I did. I will explain in short words. We, as urban citizen, bombarded by information, and loving Sciences, have the whole western mindset and lots of scientific data composing a “culture”formed by 15.000 years. When you arrives in the jungle you meet the hell and first thing the malaria gets you. I got the two types, falciparum and vivax. Everything there is poison and animals like the scorpion, the spider, the anaconda like sucuri and jibóia, the big cats, the crocodile, and the sporus of plants, what to expulse, to kill you. Tons of smaller mosquitoes are vampirising yours blood that make you felling it as a fever. If you get surviving, after three months you forget all 15.000 years culture and yours brain is washed, empty. Then, the rules and spirit of the jungle begins to occupy yours neurons, regretting to the monkey salvage state. If you go back to civilization and remembering yours civilized culture you cam sum the two mental states and getting some thing like the Matrix/DNA world view. it is not an issue about intelligence, genius, it is you rolling under the laws of Nature, my friend. I am not superior than you, the opposite is true, you have more information and is more able to survive here because you have a home, family, a country behind you, i have nothing. I came here asking help for not losing a good chance and leaving this work to my grave, and the way I can do it is calling attention like; “Is the brain able to stores memory? Yes and no, it is a relativistic issue.” Do you understand?

    wondering why everyone else is refusing to acknowledge it…

    I does not wonder it because this is the normal reaction among different cultures and their different interpretations of natural phenomenas. And I don’t try to impose the suggestions of my theory to nobody because I don’t believe in my world view because I know that my little brain can not grasp the right world view. But, the dialogue among different world views is good for Humanity. Cheers and once time more: I appreciated yours inestimable contribution here which can be good for you in the next future…

     

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    louismorelli

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
    Since your matrix/dna world exists only in your mind, and not in the scientific literature, where it must be evidenced to but published, you can only blame yourself for being misunderstood. Basically you have nothing but delusional thinking. Publish your work or shut the fuck up about loon.

    What?! Are you saying that in the scientific literature our respectful ancestors like atoms and galactic systems didn’t have DNA? Are you saying that this extraordinary engineered DNA was invented by the stupid matter of a lost planet and inside ancestors like amoebas?! No, thanks my friend, I will not publish my job in this “scientific literature”… in the good name of my loved students…

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    louismorelli

    Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
    In Matrix/DNA world view,..

    You mean god. Period, end of story, a deity, which like all others, is devoid of evidence to show it exists. No amount of philosophical wanking changes that fact. You are arguing for a deity.

    I never said to you what I mean. Matrix/DNA is the genetic code coming from a “natural” system, so it is not god, because gods creates things by magics and not by genetic process. Magics like yours Almighty Nothing from who came everything without any known process…

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    louismorelli

    chigau (違う)
    26 December 2014 at 12:01 am
    Nerd
    Please, stop.

    Oh, sh… are you still here? Ok,boss, I will stop. The force of the Light Face of the Matrix be with you. Happy new year!

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    1. louismorelli

      Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
      Nope, your matrix is your god. You describe no natural systems, like science does. Your inquiry methods are religious, not scientific. If you were scientific, for example, and asked for a citation, you would provide a link to a paper in the peer reviewed scientific literature. Like the power of natural selection.

      Official Science have abandoned the study of natural systems and is studying merely some processes among some parts thinking that it is systems. One proof is the unsolved mortal milenar diseases because we does not understand the human body as a system; or climate change due the wrong astronomical system model.

      The first model of a perfect natural system is the Matrix/DNA formula. I never saw published another complete and working model. You are not seeing it because 1) you have a ideology like everybody, and this formula/authorship goes against yours ideology; 2) you refuse to study the formula.

      After few tentatives like Fritjof Capra ( The Tao of Physics), or Mereschkowski, Margullis ( symbiotic theory for organelles) and the great job of Bertalanffy with his General Systems Theory, the study of systems took a wrong way with Rosemberg, Wiener going towards artificial systems and cybernetics. The fail of Bertalanffy is that he didn’t know what’s a real natural system.

      If you are interested, I will explain how Nature built the first naturals systems before reaching the state of self-reproduction:
      1) Take several samples of an object in free space;
      2) Apply over these objects the process of life’s cycle ( merelly penetrating them with natural light waves);
      3) The objects begins being transformed into different shapes, tottalizing seven principals shapes;
      4) Each shape is attracted by the sequential next shape ( same pattern of light waves sequencies of frequencies);
      5) First there are two linked shapes, next these duos are linked into four, till happening an entire filament with all seven shapes; inside the filament runs the flow of energy/information, responsible by the bridges;
      6) From here these filaments are driven to became a closed spherical filament because the initial shape connects with the final shape;
      7) When the circuit flow arrives to shape 4, begins the entropic process, energy begins to decrease. It is shared into two flows, one going normally spherical to S6, S7, and the other flow is driven internally towards S1;
      8) This internal flow carries on energy before being attacked by entropy, it is increasing energy and when it reaches S1 is mixed with the dust resulting from S7, resulting in a new initial object. So, the closed system recycles itself.

      Biological systems are results of entropy attacking the closed building blocks of astronomical systems, and they emerges as opened systems, due the new environment and substances. One thing you need to observe is that each shape became each part with a specific systemic function. That’s the explanation that in Matrix/DNA formula I have changed the “Ss” by “Fs”, which means Function one, Function 2, etc. Now see my avatar here two samples of Nature’s application of this formula: the astronomical system building block built by one initial body under life’s cycle, and the human perfect familiar system where each human body shape has a specific familiar function.

      Now I am waiting from you the model’s system as you said above, that sciences describes it…

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      louismorelli

      Saad
      The pious louismorelli has won me over. I am ready to convert.
      How does one tithe the Venerable Church of the Light Wave Matrix?
      I shall stay up tonight to watch the Matrix trilogy trinity. Verily, it is a DVD set most blessed.

      Saad you have not read the Introduction at my home page where is witten:

      “The aims copyrighted restrain any use by third parties for individuals or groups seeking financial goals, political or religious. They are released since that we identify its use for the benefit to Humanity as a whole without distinction of race, color, religion or other discriminatory predicates. Another reason for divulgation is the possibility suggested here that the new mechanisms and natural processes, if proven true, could contribute to the development of current technologies, sciences, especially medicine, as well as the behaviors and wealth for individual and social. Although this is not a work with scientific pretensions, the models are scientifically falsifiable or testable since there are resources to do so.”

      So, there is no churches and never will because there are no gods, no magics and no supernatural forces in Matrix/DNA worldview. But, I will resist to answering and playing these jokes because the topic here is brain and memories, and if the boss, PZ Mayers, discovers what we are doing in his blog, going far away off the topic, he will be furious and will delete these comments.

      Don’t go there tonight because it is a fake god. Instead you must go with me to the church of my beloved God, the Almighty PinkUnicorn. Talking about him, he has called me by phone today and said he is watching this debate and he loves Saad. He promised that will give to you pink popcorn in the Heaven forever, for all eternity. Think pink, the Universe is pink, the truth is Pink…

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      louismorelli

      Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD
      … expecting that science can or will solve all humanities problems would be foolish. But I don’t know any scientists that do that. It’s a tool for finding out about the universe, nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunately it runs into humanity which, to be honest, has a real talent for taking knowledge and making a mess of things with it.

      Finding out about the Universe was the goal of the founding fathers at the Illuminism, due their dissatisfaction with religions, etc. But what they began – the human scientific enterprise – was appropriated by human predators and took a wrong way with nowadays bad effects, the worst one is the indoctrination of children in the schools prejudicing human mental evolution. Two or three evidences ( cosmic background radiation, galactic expansions, light spectrums…) in a Universe that requires millions of evidences, were used for pointing out a theoretical beginning – the Big Bang – and a private interpretation of this beginning, and it is being inserted as Truth, as scientific proved fact, into the mind of ingenuous children like any other religion did it. If you does not know what is happened with yous children in schools, look to the texts of scholar curriculums. The first lessons began… “so, there is a theory called Big Bang, or a theory called abiogenesis, a theory called darwinian evolution”… but, after few lessons ahead, the texts forgot that told “theory”and began talking… “so, from the Big Bang the galaxies were formed in this way…”, or “from that primordial soup in oceans emerged the mechanisms of variation, natural selection and inheritance that has transformed amoebas till human beings…”. Science is one thing, is the work in labs or in the field, it is not macro-theories. What is the difference with ” in the beginning God created the light, then, we have the day and the night…” You know that they are a liars. And you know the enormous prejudice it caused to human kind. If you loves Science and the human being at same time, you can not permit that predators among humans uses yours production against 7 billion human beings. That’s what I am trying to do.

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      louismorelli

      Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

      Louis: – My method of enquiry Nature has worked very well and I am seeing yours is wrong.

      Nerd:- Nope, you haven’t and can’t convince me you are right. That requires going outside of your self and having other people verify what you say, which is called EVIDENCE. You have nobody but yourself, and your self-delusions, and that isn’t evidence. Gibberish is your world view.

      Then, we need a judge here watching us applying our method. It is not mine or yours opinion that will solve this debate. Let’s go taking real visible proven natural facts known by everybody. We can beginning with the tail of crocodiles, or the branches of trees, or the noses of humans, or anything else. You must explain it by a unique logis line of rationalization, telling its evolutionary history till the Big Bang. Which one do you will choose?

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      louismorelli

      Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
      Louis:- But what they began – the human scientific enterprise – was appropriated by human predators and took a wrong way with nowadays bad effects, the worst one is the indoctrination of children in the schools prejudicing human mental evolution.

      Nerd:- Citation mother fucking needed. LM, trying you shutting the fuck up, and linking to third party evidence. Try it for one post even, just two or three links.
      And human mental evolution is more gibberish. You can’t show it isn’t occurring without your belief in your imaginary matrix.

      What’s happening here?! Are you furious? Relax, man… be educated… Are you blind? I cited one source as evidence: the texts of scholars curriculum. I read some of them, Did you? The other evidence I will cite now: go in front a school and asks the students about their world view. They will began with ” In the beginning there was a microscopic atom that exploded… ” like when you go in front of a church and ask to them, the answer will be “In the beginning there was God…”can’t you grasp the stupidity of this two answers?” That both lost the control of pure natural rationalization? What will do the modern students? The same lame and totally wrong social system and stupid relationship with Nature that the ancient people did due the churches indoctrination. They will increase the nowadays 7 billion humans as slaves in misery to 20 billions…

      I can’t show that mental evolution isn’t occurring? I didn’t say that. I said it is occurring on the wrong and suicide, mortal way. Humanity is going towards the Huxleyan “Admirable New World” under the government of the Orwellian “Big Queen”, like insects societies ( bees, ants, etc.) went before. And do you know why? Because here is occurring a process of genetic reproduction of our creator. He/it is a closed system surrounding us, modelling our biosphere, encrypted inside every nucleotide of our DNA. Go to Matrix/DNA’s figure of the face of this creator and you will understand it.

      By the way, another way for showing that human mental evolution is in a wrong way is enough to remember two known facts: the number of humans in misery as slaves is growing and we are destroying our habitat. If you considers these as mental evolution… enjoy it yourself, not me.

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      louismorelli

      Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
      27 December 2014 at 11:10 am
      Louis: – Let’s go taking real visible proven natural facts known by everybody.

      Nerd: – Those facts were determined by Science with Evidence. You lost before you ever started.”

      This is total nonsense. Those facts were determined by Nature… once time more… Nature… Real Natural World… and not by any human “science” or any metaphysical creation like yours “materialism”. And does use the name “Science” here, it has nothing to see with yours ideology.

      There is no debate. There is reality, and then there is your continuing gibberish, where you can’t shut the fuck up like an intelligent person would do.

      Is this yours strategy? When arriving to the moment for bringing on real facts over the table for the judges watching, you deslize going out of scene? This is cowardly. What real natural phenomena do you will choose. I am waiting. Pr I will choose one. What about the natural phenomena most evident to humans, that one that is in front of our eyes all time: the human hands?

      I will begin my defense with an argument. I will put over the table a big picture with the Matrix/DNA genetic code or formula. Now, put yours left hand over the formula. The palm most be upon F1, so the minor finger at left will be F2, till the thumb as F7. Since that the formula describes a system formed by a body rolling under the force of a life’s cycle ( like you can see here at my avatar) the fatal conclusion is that the shapes ans sequence of yours fingers tell the evolutionary history of yours own body: look to the minor finger and look to the shape of a baby; look to the function and size of the next finger and look to a child; till looking to the last finger, the dump and make comparisons with yours body last shape, a senior curved by life.

      Now I will bring on the table a figure with a lateral base-pair of nucleotide. You can ask the judge for stopping me, because nucleotides have nothing to see with human hands. I will answer that the relation is due “human hands are made by genes of the DNA”. And I will put my two hands opened, face to face, side by side, in the way that the palm of left hand will be over the left sugar in the DNA’s strand, and the palm of the right will be the sugar at the right strand. Now I will show that each one of the eight minors fingers will be exactly upon the eight nitrogenous bases. And the two thumbs will be exactly over the two lateral DNA’s strands.

      After doing this demonstration I will begin to tell the evolutionary history of human hands till arriving at the first cellular cylias. But I will not stop here. I will make the evolutionary digression passing on traces of magnetic field of ous stellar system showing the source of cylliar cells. Then I will go to the state of the Universe when the atoms nuclei was forming and will bring on the table the brilliant explanation of the Nobel prize Hideki Yukawa about the nuclear glue between protons and neutrons for showing the primitive traces of those magnetic “scyllias” at astronomical level. Finally I will arrive one minute after the Big Bang showing how two quantum vortex are joining to shape the first quarks and leptons and where is there the primitive force that developed in modern human hands.

      Be free now for telling us the origins and development of the human hand since the Universe’s origins by yours “scientific world view”… I am waiting…

      xxx

      louismorelli

      If you are not using these definitions, then you are not using proper scientific terminology and we can safely ignore you as a crank and/or pseudoscientist.

      The crank here seems to be you due contradicting yourself. You said:

      1)”Fact: generally a close agreement by competent observers who make a series of observations about the same phenomenon. (Can change when new methods of observing become available).
      And:
      2) Scientific theory: a synthesis of a large body of information that encompasses well-tested and verified hypothesis about certain aspects of the natural world.

      Who saw a stellar formation that take billions of years and arrived to a close agreement? Which observers have seen the Big Bang and arrived to a close argument? Who reached such extension and time of the natural world were happened the Big Bang for proving that kind of big bangs really happens in the natural world? Who saw the amino acids got by Urey making the first proteins and first strands of the RNA-world and arrived to an agreement? Or what observer saw consciousness arising from the monkeys brain and everybody were satisfied?

      Fact is not scientific theory, because a scientific theory that had predicted a fact and the fact was proved by all observers, is not anymore a scientific theory. There is no scientific theory about a fact and the fact itself at same time. Or one, or the other. So, go to the scholar text books and make the correction of every liar there, please. Or an issue, in those texts books, is a theory, or it is a fact. Those texts are saying that they are both, at same time.

      Do you know something? It is not that the theory is wrong, and we are not seeing that it really can be good describing the fact. The problem is about the interpretation of the information that emerges from the theory, which is being used for composing the modern world view and inserted into the children brains. If you take cosmic radiation, galactic expansion, and lots of evidences, but mixing all them, and tracing new connections among them, you will get a total different interpretation with a total different world view, hence, a different human moral code.

      I saw the first moment of the body of a human being coming to its origins in an event that I called “big bang”. It was the explosion of the spermatozoon membrane at the center of an ovule. I saw the next steps, forming the morula, the blastulae, and remembered the next steps of universes origins, getting the shape of mass nebulae, galaxies, etc. Everything the same scene. So, i went quickly to home and mixed all evidences that are the basis of Big Bang theory and I saw the event as an living and biological event. Totally different than the one described by Physics and Math.

      Than, I am not an observer that arrived to a close agreement about those still theoretical facts. Are you saying that me, and lots of people that agree with me, are not competent observers? I am showing a real natural proved fact as parameter for foundation about my interpretation of the Big Bang. And no one observer that wrote the text schollar books brought any known fact here and now as foundation of there interpretation. Still are you saying that i am not a competent observer? If so, this is no more rationalization, something very serious and wrong is occurring inside the universities.

      xxxx

      louismorelli

      Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
      A product of evolution, and hox genes during development. I could dig up some citations, like this one. But then, I, unlike you, understand third party evidence.

      Com’on Nerd, are you joking here? Is this yours “third part evidence”? Merely a reductionist description about what do some elements like Ddp, morphogen, proteins when the wing of fruit fly is forming? This is a great scientific job and thanks by the link because was reading papers like that all my life that the Matrix/DNA Theory was built. Of course you are seeing how the dancers moves, something about the orchestra ( signaling) but where is the “maestro”, the “compositor”? Or do you think that a bunch of atoms like molecules is seeing thousands of miles around them ( in that scale at microscopical level) for to control where to send a cell, or when is time for putting a gene on or off, etc?

      I told you were is the “maestro”and who he is. I showed to you not only, but two times that a final product of biological evolution ( human hands) is written in a formula that is coming from the stars because it came from the beginnings of this Universe. The formula for building galaxies was nannotechnologized ( glup… is right this word?) and inserted into a lateral pair of nucleotides which has the exact shape of a lateral pair of human hands. I showed that Nature applies the mechanism of life’s cycle every time that is necessary a new system or a new accessory for composing it as system. You never had noticed that the shapes, sizes, and functions of yours fingers have the same meaning of yours total body during yours lifetime. I showed as evidence, nucleotides, DNA, life’s cycles, etc. These are my evidences: real and proved natural facts known by everybody, What else do you want? Are there evidences worth than the world you are seeing and touching?!
      When a new shape of the universal system, like organisms in shape of biological systems, needs any new acessory for surviving, Nature give it, but nature have only one tool for doing it. It is a tool that can do all possibles and imaginables systems and acessories in this world, a simple formula. Then, the organism, the environment and the substances in that place, plus the type of work/function that the organism will need, will drive what will be doing with the formula. If the entire and complete formula will be the best solution, it will applied in full ( like happened with human hands, human face with eyes, nose, mouth which is another exactly copy of that formula), no matter how much time it will take, like here the evolution took millions or billions years, begining with cyliasin cells, passing thought reptiles, tigers, monkeys and arriving to the best shape that do the job in the best performance. If the formula is too much for the accessory that the organism need, lots of resources will be inhibited, others will be expressed several times, etc., because plasticity is the normal in this formula. Human hands were built by a formula called DNA which is merely the biological shape of a formula that is coming from the beginning of this Universe.

      I am wating yours version, yours mention about were was the forces and elements at the whole History of 13,7 billions years and by evolution that finally arrived to this natural phenomena that you call “hands”. You brought a good paper telling 0,00000000000001% of this History, I am waiting what is missing. Or do you want another phenomena? Like, why and how Nature built the pump that you call “heart”?

      xxxx

      Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD
      #louismorelli

      Please cite these textbooks, because they don’t match any scientific texts I know of.

      They are not scientific texts they are the books that teachers and students bought or earned from the government. Go to any high school and read those books carefully”

      And I’m not wasting any more of my lifespan on trying to explain science to someone who refuses to learn.

      Com’on do you really think that yours post told something that I didn’t know? Several years I am following the data published by the space agencies and calculating what means each image or new discovered radiation and what was the interpretation of those astronomers? How could one doing a new theory about light waves and suggesting things that never were perceived before, if one does not know lots about what Science knows, which is my source of data?

      For yours understanding:

      Cosmological evolution is a theory that is following the same method of research we are doing with biological evolution. We are, for instance, searching for bone-fossils and composing the whole evolutionary biological history. In the sky we are getting everyday image and data of new bodies, which are our fossils for composing our theory. But it is missing lots more fossil from the space than we have here at Earth surface. The problem ( my problem) is that my methods of investigation for composing a theory were different from those used by those that made the Nebular Theory inside the Standard Theory and I got a different cosmological model. Now we are fighting for the fossils, they are the judge about what model is right. and not humans opinions and preferences. It happens that everyday I am watching the experts telling things like: “Oh, these image or data does not fit in the theory, we need changing it, while all those data are fitting very well into the model of matrix/DNA Theory. At my website there are lots of articles telling it. of course I don’t believe that matrix/DNA model is the right one, never could be. Astronomy is not my goal, I entered in this field because the investigation searching a system that drove the entire process of biogenesis pointed out that the system was in the sky, so, I lift my head to observe the sky and went running to libraries and all scientific books with informations about Astronomy. matrix/DNA cosmological model is not right, but it is the one that had predicted all fossils that we got from the space till now,,,, them, as you said to me ” I strongly suggest louismorelli that you find something more productive and reality based to do with your time.”, I will suggest to you: “if you are serious with yours scientific activity and want works with reality, go to matrix/DNA model because the model you are using is far away off the beam…

      xxxx

      louismorelli

      Owlmirror
      Are the bolded words different spellings of the same word? If so, what is the correct spelling? And more importantly, what is the meaning?
      If not, what does each word even mean?

      Sorry, busy times and although I am an American Citizen, English is not native language. It should be cilia, or flagella. But here is a good opportunity for you to learn how you can develop yours own world view, developing thesis or a good theory, and be creative, making a difference.

      Do you want to know what the real natural object named by humans as cilia or flagella, really means? I did myself this question at my infant times: “Where Nature got this idea for developing cilias and all “posterior” evolutionary shapes, like wings, arms, legs, tails, etc… when its creation – opened systems as organisms – was asking autonomous self-movement? Which were the elements and forces existing before Nature developing life that Nature could using as mechanisms for creating feature? Because must have here the informations for doing it, since that Nature is not magics and can not create information from nothing, although the guru of modern universities, Lawrence Krauss, believe that nothing is an ex-maxine magician.

      I look by scientific literature and did not find anything about. I look for my founder fathers, the Greek naturalists philosophers, and they also forgot to pay attention in this detail. Ok, if nobody did, I will try to do it…

      It seems that flagella emerged at the first cells. If so, the information for developing cilia was already inside the cell or in the biofil of those first cells. Looking inside the cell, I noticed that the unique cellular superior-element moving around were the RNA’s. They go as RNA-m, RNA-t, etc., from ribosomes to DNA back to mitochondrias and so on… Sp, the mechanism were already existing inside a cell system. Next step? Of course, looking for the mother of the first cell, the information must be there. Who is the mother, the generator of the first cell system? Of course, this planet or the system it belongs to. But in planet alone I didn’t find something with autonomous self-movement. There are the wind, the oceans water moving, tectonic plates moving, but all them being moved by external forces. So, the mysterious mechanism must be beyond Earth, maybe at this solar system. Looking at it we see planets moving, the whole system moving around the galaxy, the invisibles magnetic fields, etc., but, again, all of them, moving due external forces. Wait! Here is something escaping from the rules! Comets! Meteorites. If you take the solar system in a photo getting a static ( paralyzed) system like a photo of a static cell system, you see the star as the nucleus, planets as organelles, and comets as… the moving RNA’s. My grand grand mother always was saying: “Such little fish, must be the big fish”. Or “if you know the son, you can have a good idea about the shape and character of the father”. And I was sure that the parents of the first cell systems were astronomicals systems. Everything else must be metaphysics. Comets obeys also external forces for moving, but, its movements are less controlled than the others bodies movements. It means that a primitive principle of freedom was emerging here. So, the mechanis used by Nature for developing flagellas could be hidden in the movement of comets. How is exactly these movements? What forces and elements are acting here?

      The Official Academic Astronomy Department have a cosmological model that does not explain life here, as if our surrounding astronomical system have no all forces and elements that had evolved into life’s properties. They have broken the Universal Evolutionary History into two separated blocks without any evolutionary links between them: Cosmological Evolution and Biological Evolution. Their conclusion extracted from this model is rational: the Cosmos is not the father of life, so, life is product of chance… for not saying… magics. I could not accept this world view since my enfant times at High School. And I could not accept the other alternative around the school: that life was created by an invisible supernatural magician. So, my concentration was directly into the Cosmos, it is my grand grand grand father and mother.
      Then I was obligated to develop my own cosmological model with my poor resources. I had the daughter at hands – the picture of the first real and complete living being, a cell system. I knew its internal anatomy, Its functioning. And I had the mechanisms of evolution given by that great hero, Mr. Darwin. I knew that almost all sciences were triggered by those with my own profession, the Greek naturalist philosophers, and their first method was “comparative anatomy”. And we have lots of information from the sky got by our scientific method. So, first thing to do is cleaning what is real facts separating them from humans interpretations, theories, because these interpretations were saying that the Cosmos is not my grand grand father/mother. Finally I got a new cosmological model that was the mirror of the cell system. Or another words: like cells are the building blocks of a human body, I got a theoretical model of the building blocks of the Cosmos as a body.

      And here in this model, a complex game of magnetic spiral forces makes comets rolling inside chanels and producing those comet’s tails which sometimes makes that the comets does not obey the rules of the galaxy. They are begining to require freedom. The tail is registered at the level of magnetic field dimensions like any new mutation is registered into DNA.When the whole astronomical building block system was nannotechnologized by entropy and inserted inside a lateral pair of nucleotides, this registered information came there. And them, the organisms reinforced the requirement of comets for more freedom and what was a kind of hidden template was slowly but strongly being expressed at genetic level.

      Further I was looking before the formation of astronomical systems were was sleeping the principles of this mechanisms. It must be there, inside the atoms. Again, the movement of electrons and other particles were most due external forces, but… there was an element mimicking the movement of comets and leaving a tail as we can see at CERN: the particle pion that links protons to neutrons. This mechanism was brilliant described by the great Nobel prize and Physicist called Hideki Yukawa. And from the lectures of his work the search for the original natural information for cilia and human hands were there, at quantum vortexes at the moment of the Big Bang. I am satisfied because I never try an step beyond the Universe;s last frontier. if we do so, we falls into metaphysics, our brain becomes confused and we prejudices all rationalization that really keeps fidel to the rationalization of Mother Nature.

      Owlmirror, if you are a student, you must be crazy hunting all natural known proved facts, but, be cautious about our theoretical models. We are the old generation that made lots of mistakes and knew less than you can know. Like Matrix/DNA models, all them are not complete and must have lots of mistakes. But, you must be aware of something else: a simple discovery that including a simple formula from the cell to the Cosmos reveals a new world never imagined before, which had predicted lots of things that the most powerful models have not. it means that all jobs are here for be done. Do not believe in this people saying that we discovered everything, that we know what was the beginning of this world , etc. It is impossible for the little human brain with its poor sensors. R$emember that String theory, as matrix/DNA Theory, are suggesting that have at least eleven dimensions acting and influencing our lives just know, and we does not know half of them, but you can. You have lots of opportunity for be creative and making the difference. Make to yourself those questions again and again: “Where Nature got the idea for doing this and that?! The Universe is not a magician, it can not create information from nothing, so, the information for, must be here since the first moment. Where and how was it? ” Good look…
      Even that you have a hidden oracle at your home, a magic mirror where appears a owl telling you all secrets of the world…

      xxxxx

      1. chigau (違う)

        louismorelli
        To say that the “Amazon jungle” is “never touched and changed by humans”
        is a profoundly racist statement.

      2. Raging Bee

        Does the brain store memory? Yes and no, the answer depends on the observer’s relative point of view. To explain let’s use an analogy: the body of a pregnant woman, stores information and memories that go directly into the body of the fetus she carries in? No, because this information will go with the embryo at birth; yes, because anyway, while the embryo is inside the mother’s body, this is a great deposit containing a smaller deposit. If a macro-observer looking at the mother’s body from the outside in, he would say “yes!”; if it is a micro-observer located within the fetus, looking from the inside out, will say “no!”. This is not merely an analogy, it is the waves of cosmological evolution. It is the universal process repeated every time that a new natural system emerges. So, in this new evolutionary jump, when Nature is producing a new natural system that we call “mind”, “consciousness”, etc., the brain represents the placenta/amnion, the skull is the egg, and the human mind or self-consciousness is still a fetus/embryo.

        This utter gibberish is even more meaningless than the word-salad on those bottles of Dr. Brauner’s Pure Castile Soap. Just add “ALL ONE! ALL ONE!” here and there, and Dr. B. could sue you for copyright infringement.

        Unfortunately, it’s nowhere near as cheerful as those God-Soap labels, so I won’t be bothering with it.

      3. Dalillama, Schmott Guy

        Barring the effects of climate change, large parts of Antarctica (and possibly a couple of tiny, remote atolls here and there) have “never [been] touched and changed by humans”. Other than that, there ain’t no such place and hasn’t been for millenia.

      4. Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls

        You have no pointed out any fact about which you want evidences

        Ah, only creationists use evidences. Nobody else does. Which explains your entire gibberish is a means to hide your imaginary deity as your mental matrix and make it control nature. It is a religious theory, full of gibberish and illogical fuckwittery. But then, that was exposed days ago, and you should have shut the fuck up when that happened.
        You are afraid to publish in a scientific journal, like all creobots, as they know they aren’t scientific, but presuppositional.

        I spent seven years in the heart of Amazon jungle because I thought that the virgin territory, never touched and changed by humans, still have there the witness that watched this creation.

        Humans have been in the America’s for almost 30,000 years. The Amazon untouched by human hands? What are you smoking?

      5. Owlmirror

        Ah, only creationists use evidences. Nobody else does.

        *cough*

        29+ Evidences for Macroevolution:
        The Scientific Case for Common Descent

        As I see it, louismorelli’s use of English is so confused and peppered with misspellings and strange word choices that I doubt that his use of “evidences” is indicative of any sort of personal affiliation with (or even awareness of) the sort of devout Christian creationists who typically favor the use of that term.

        As negative evidences, I note that louismorelli does not even mention the bible, jesus, or anything relating to religion. He may well be a kook, but he is a sui generis kook.

      6. Owlmirror

        As I noted in my first response to him, this is only a mild variation on a pretty standard strain of New Age bullshit.

        That’s all very well, but “New Age” (or “newage”, to rhyme with “sewage”), is a broad enough term that it covers many different possible ways of thinking about things without being doctrinal.

        Just because he has weird ideas that bear some strange sense of deriving from “as above, so below” (as you noted) doesn’t mean that those ideas are not his own unique personal (re)inventions and variations on that concept.

        As another example, consider this guy. The core idea — “randomness is God talking/how to get God to talk” — is very old. But his weird programmatic and software developmental take on that is completely personal and unique, and he would probably reject the comparison between what he is doing, and the historical precedent of shamans and priests tossing a bunch of sheep astragali, or reading entrails. or whatever.

      7. Nick Gotts

        I spent seven years in the heart of Amazon jungle because I thought that the virgin territory, never touched and changed by humans – louismorelli

        I see Nerd has got there before me, but since I went to the trouble of finding a reference for louismorelli, I’ll post anyway. People have lived in and changed the heart of the Amazon for millennia. Denying their existence is a form of racism. Stop it.

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        louismorelli

        Chigao:

        To say that the “Amazon jungle” is “never touched and changed by humans”
        is a profoundly racist statement.

        I didn’t say the “Amazon jungle”. I said “the heart of Amazon jungle”, where I lived. It is called The Jamanxin Territory ( the middle of Tapajós River), but these indigenous (native people) lives 200 hundred kilometers away from there. There are no signals anywhere of any kind that humans walked through that place. But… Amazon is not our topic here, the mention is merely to remember that the salvage Nature suggests to us a different world view… of course.

        The reason I came here is due my method of investigation and final results led me suggest a third alternative when Mr. Egnor uses the issue about brain and memory for advocating that must have a dimension of phenomena hidden to us where lays the soul and God, and Mr PZ Myers is advocating that human mind and consciousness are merely materialistic evolutionary product of human brains. There is at least a third alternative that makes sense.

        As Einstein once time said: ‘One does not need to prove that his theory is right, it only have to explain how his theory makes sense”. Time will led us to discover something that will approve or debunk the theory. So, I need to convince you that this world view makes sense.

        DNA is not a code. Never there was origins of life, neither origins of Universes. There is a an evolutionary link between Cosmological Evolution and Biological Evolution, which link drove the 3 billions years of evolution from non-organic matter to the first living being ( first complete cell system). There was no abiogenesis, but this 3 billion years occurred a process of astronomical embryogenesis at Earth’s surface with strong mutations. This Universe is an agglomerate of fossils ( or still living) from our ancestors species called galaxies, and we are like those bacterias living inside our body – we live inside these lost species. And in this Universe is occurring a process of genetic/computational reproduction of the ex-machine “NATURAL” system that fecundated this space at the event of the Big Bang. If here emerged consciousness it is due that “NATURAL” ex-machine system is also “conscious”. But the ex-machine creator does not know our existence here like any pregnant mother does not know what the genes working her embryo are doing. So, there are no communications between us and ours ex-machine parents. DNA is the biological shape that came under evolution and had the shapes of astronomical, atomic, electromagnetic, light wave and quantum-vortexes shapes till the ex-machine shape. DNA is how we human named the biological shape, but when you see it in all its shapes is better calling it as “The Matrix/DNA”. There is no such division as life and non-life because all life’s properties are present in reductive evolutionary states at astronomical, atomic system, and even, at a single light wave.

        The link between Cosmic and Biological Evolution is LUCA – the Last Universal Common Ancestor – of all biological system and he/it lives in the sky in shape of building block of astronomical systems. Since that galaxies have millions informations less than the simplest bacteria, it is easy to put – with nanotechnology – a galaxy inside a lateral base-pair of nucleotides, the fundamental unit of information of DNA. This unit is a working complete system. So, life here is not product of chance neither creation neither panspermia. It is merely continuation of a long chain of causes and effects where the last top evolved system – the astronomical system had projected itself entirely into molecules called RNA/DNA.

        So, Nature creates all systems applying a unique formula and we know the shape of this formula at its more highest level, a perfect complete closet system, the most perfect possible machine, and if we apply this formula we will solve all humans problem and will have the Universe at our hands.

        The final moral code from this world view is: We, human beings, plus all councious creatures spreaded in this Universe, are “mentalized genes” working for to build the body of the ex-machine’s reproductive product. So, Every human being is a gene, a bit-information, necessary and non dispensable for making a health body which will be us. Every human being and any other councious creature is a message, unique, not transferable, with a mission to accomplish, If one unique gene does not do its work, we will born as handicapped. There is no best moral code than this one.

        Every topic here is scientifically falsifiable. Now, if you think that this world view does not make sense, tell me…

        xxxx

        Rowan vet-tech

        It doesn’t. Please show me proof that ‘Nature’ is a conscious entity.

        Also, do you mean to keep typing salvage, or did you mean savage, because those are two very different things. The first makes no sense. The second belies the idea of us being super speshul needed magical snowflakes.

        Proof required for no humans having ever walked through that place before you. And even if that’s true…. good job spoiling the last bit of pristine rainforest with your human germs.

        Proof required that DNA does not encode things… because I hobby breed corn snakes, and the morphs I work with are simple recessive and affect the genes that would control the pathways for erythrin production.

        Proof required that life never had an origin, because… uhm… the fact that life kinda exists at all means it must have originated at some point… and then you go and contradict yourself… and then contradict that contradiction. wtf honestly.

        Proof required that galaxies are living entities instead of clusters of stars, planets, and various debris.

        Proof required that an entity ‘lives in the sky’ and is shaped like a building block. I’m now imagining a giant, looming lego.

        Proof required that galaxies exist inside guanine.

        I’m not perfect. I refuse to be part of some grand plan. Guess I’ve fucked up your magical galaxy body. Sorry, not sorry.

        xxxx

        louismorelli

        Rowan vet-tech

        Please show me proof that ‘Nature’ is a conscious entity.

        I didn’t said that. I said: “If here emerged consciousness it is due that “NATURAL” ex-machine system is also “conscious”. Look to human embryogenesis. At 6 or 8 months when the brain is almost formed, the embryo shows signals of be conscious. But from his/her first day till 6 months, consciousness was a potential existent force hidden in the genes, because the embryo did not invented consciousness by the first time in this world and inside his little sack universe… consciousness was existing before and beyond, at his./her parents, beyond his little “universe”. If consciousness emerged here and now when the Universe is 13,7 billion years old, it means that instead 9 humans months, the embryo being developed in this Universe needs 13,7 billion years at astronomical scale for emerging. And what we watch here is signal that the ex-machine generator of universes is a natural and conscious system. And knowing that 6 human months is equal universal 13,7 years, we can calculates that this Universe will have an end and will be discarded as the placenta at about 17,5 billion years ( the 3 human’s months that is missing for the Big Birth). By the way you are a natural conscious thing, the poof that Nature can be conscious.

        xxxxx

        Also, do you mean to keep typing salvage…

        Sorry my language problems. I mean “wild”, “primitive”, and wrote “salvage” because in Portuguese wild is “selvagem”.

        Proof required that DNA does not encode things…

        I am working after this proof, and all I need to proof is that Matrix/DNA cosmological model is right. Everyday NASA and several space agencies are capturing images of new galaxies, bodies, etc., and they are like bone-fossils for composing and testing this theoretical model of evolutionary cosmology, like geologists are getting fossils for composing the theoretical evolutionary biology.

        DNA is not a code, it is merely a pile of diversified copies/shapes of a unique working system, called LUCA and you can see the face of LUCA at my avatar. DNA is like a direct branch of an evolutionary tree, which contains all previous ancestors species of biological systems. So, there was an initial system – the building block of astronomical systems, which is the evolutionary product of a building block for atoms systems, and so on back – very very simple, and like yours body was “nannotechnolized”, reduced, to fit inside a genome inside a spermatozoon, this astronomical system with much less informations can be reduced inside the head of a pin, or as a lateral base-pair of nucleotides. After the first lateral pair… which contains two lateral sugars, the phosphate bridge for forming the strands of RNA or DNA, ‘the Earth’s molecules continuing to be bombarded by informations from LUCA, building more one nucleotide system, which will contain some small little detail from the last one, and will register this detail, so, the new nucleotide will be a copy of the first but with a little bit difference. An so on, till the enormous DNA we have today. It is like a factory where work a fundamental system – a human being – but there are thousands of copies of human beings each one diversified making a specific function. So, there is no code, which is the source for all mystical, magical thinking involving DNA today. When we will prove that the cosmological model is right, that the mechanism for transference of building blocks to organic matter really works, we will prove that DNA is not a code. The morphs you works with are simple recessive and affect the genes – because every time you produce a new morph, all past diversified copies and any insertions, are recapitulated.

        Proof required that life never had an origin, because… uhm… the fact that life kinda exists at all means it must have originated at some point… and then you go and contradict yourself… and then contradict that contradiction. wtf honestly.

        If you know how magical thinking prejudices human beings, you would join me to combat this word “origins”. It is perhaps the most strong concept and source for magical thinking. If something had an “origins” people understand it as an initial point when something that never existed before, began to exist. If there was such event, it should be caused by a force coming outside from the long natural chain of causes and effects that began with this Universe. So, it should be a supernatural and magical force. But, no human being never watched the “origin” of anything. Everything is product of transformations, evolution, where all forces and elements used in the new thing was existing here. Please, join me and let’s go never using this word, and inquiring any people that uses it.

        If my… ( not mine, since the any world view like Matrix/DNA has no owners, no authors, but, have “discoverers by first time”) world view will prove be more correctly than those existing today ( and not the ultimate world view, because no human brain can do it, yet), every shape of natural systems in this world have in it, the properties of life. If a system was existing before Earth’s biosphere, it was expressing or hidden these properties. So we are discovering that the structure of the building block of astronomical system, which is the skeleton of that system, and was described by Physics plus Math, is covered by life’s properties executed under mechanistic rules. The surprising thing here is that these biological properties can be executed by a non biological machine, producing the same final results. For instance: you can see five or six bodies in shape of spheres ( but with internally differences) floating in space, plus a vortex made of dust, performing a system that is exactly the ancestor of human reproductive sexual process. Of course: sexual reproduction is an extraordinary engineering that could not be created first time in this Universe by the stupid matter of a lost planet! It is a product of a long cosmological and biological evolution.

        So, the new cosmological model shows that make no sense dividing natural systems into living and non-living – or – animated and inanimate. An atom express the function of organs by a specific electronic wave plus the electrons occupying it. There  are no inanimate natural systems. Again I am working to proof the existence of Matrix/DNA formula and cosmological model and need more fossils, more ancestors species and more data from space… since that everything at Earth’s surface are predicted by this model.

        Proof required that galaxies are living entities instead of clusters of stars, planets, and various debris.

        Then, you must tell to a galaxy containing merely clusters of stars, planets and various debris, that makes a complete working cell system here, facing my eyes, for proving yours cosmological model which does not contains the forces, elements in primitive state that developed into life’s properties. Astronomical systems have hidden natural variables that you don’t know, like the mechanisms that drove those thermodynamics systems and are still acting over biological evolution.

        I didn’t said that galaxies are living entities, it should be non-rational. Astronomers today are doing a big mistake when building their theoretical models about galaxies and stars system formations. For explaining it I will bring on here a natural phenome produced by these galaxies: how is the mechanisms for cell’s systems formation. The history of cell’s system formation is shared into two stages: the first generations of cell systems used the process of symbioses after applying the process of ital cycles over a unique micro-organism. It was better described by Lynn Margullis. After the first generations, cells learned how to replicate themselves, so, the modern cells are made by the second mechanism. The formations of galaxies were some thing, two processes. When discovering a new galaxy we need first to calculate if it is old or new, if it is from the first or latter formations. But the cosmological model inserted into the Standard Model is considering only one process. Don’t say that galaxies are living entity because: 1) The words “life” and “living”, when related to all universal shapes of the unique natural system that began with the Big Bang and is coming developing by evolution till arriving the system called human being… makes no sense, if you says that one shapes is living and the other is not. There are no points of division, like it is impossible to fix a point of division between yours shape as tgeenager and yours shape as adult. It happens that the most shapes was not expressing all these life’s properties, despite that the information and potential for doing it was there, inserted into the Matrix/DNA of those systems. If they were not there,sepping, dreaming inside atoms and galaxies they were not existing here because neither Nature neither the Universe are magicians for creating new informations from Nothing. My theoretical models of atoms, astronomical systems are suggesting how were these “living” properties, executed at magnetic field level, mechanic or thermodynamic levels, etc.

        Proof required that an entity ‘lives in the sky’ and is shaped like a building block.

        I didn’t say “an entity”, you are saying it, as if you considers any ancestor, like a bacteria, an entity. I don’t. You know that Earth’s is planet located in the “sky”, as the cosmic space. And as any natural system, there are no division between living and non-living systems. That’s why I said “living in the sky”.

        The first cell system was formed by symbioses among micro-organisms that became organelles, etc. These cell system – despite long time are no more produced by symbiosis – still are considered the building blocks of a human body. Like atoms are the building blocks of cells. So, the first astronomical system was also formed by symbiosis by a body ruled under the process of vital cycle, acquiring seven different shapes which became the parts of the first system. Like the human body, these first generation of astronomical system became the building block of all later systems. But, the first cell have been under transformations. Like, the first cell was hermaphodite, the first biological systems were hermaphrodite, the later are not. Same thing in the sky: the first astronomical system was hermaphrodite as you can see the picture at my website, The later are not, so, the difficult for us today in recognising the building block due we still have not calculated how was the transformation from the first generation to the later generations of galaxies and stars systems that we see today in the sky…But, as I said, I am working in it because this model can be scientifically falsifiable.

        Proof required that galaxies exist inside guanine.

        Who said that? Why do you keeping changing the words registered at my posts here?! Read it again:  ” Since that galaxies have millions informations less than the simplest bacteria, it is easy to put – with nanotechnology – a galaxy inside a lateral base-pair of nucleotides, the fundamental unit of information of DNA.”

        Guanine is not a lateral base-pair of nucleotides. Guanine is merely one part, one piece of this working system called “lateral base-pair of nucleotides” which is the entire and complete natural working opened system. Guanine is a bunch of atoms organized by bits-information coming from our ancestor and surrounding natural astronomical system for performing a systemic universal function. There are seven principals universal functions ( coming from the seven natural brute forces, as the weak, the strong, the nuclear glue forces, etc.) necessary for building a complete perfect natural system. I put them as the Fs in Matrix/DNA formula, as you can see at my website. We need now to identificate each piece of the nucleotide system for discovering which piece makes wich function. I have identified someones: one sugar is F1 and the other must be F2; uracil is F5. I don’t remember now where is the article in my website identifying more one or two nitrogenous base, thymine and cytosine.

        There are proofs here facing our eyes that parents are put inside their new babies… parents are ancestors of their babies, babies bring on traits from ancient ancestors species, galaxies are species and our ancestors, they were the last ancestors of nucleotides, logics suggests it, nother any way around…

        I’m not perfect. I refuse to be part of some grand plan. Guess I’ve fucked up your magical galaxy body. Sorry, not sorry.

        I didn’t said there are some big plan. What is the plan made by mother giraffe when genes inside her are building a baby giraffe? Some thing is our life, something is the relation between the ex-machine system existing before and beyond this universe and us, like genes. No plans, everything is merely the course of along natural chain of causes and effects. Mother giraffe does not applies intelligence or consciousness for driving the formation of her new baby, so, no Intelligent Design here. But, the new baby is not built by events under chance either, so, no Magical Nothing with hands moving under absolute randomness inside mother giraffe. There is a third alternative between the two dominants world view today, and I think that this third alternative makes more sense because here and now I have saw more evidenced for this world view than to the others two. But, as you said, you and me are not perfect. I am an errant and ignorant almost-monkey arriving from the jungle yesterday yet, I don’t know nothing. As says the most beautiful theorem – the Godel’s theorem – no one can knows and understanding a system, standing inside it. For discovering the best and last world view, we need going outside this Universe and looking to it from the above. By the way, the Matrix/DNA is suggesting that we are the genes building the cosmic baby, which will be our future shape, like the genes of our parents after building our bodies, they lifted up and went to constitute the neurons, and all neurons are a new entity. We will be one. I need that you do yours mission, because I don’t want a handicapped body, So, I will try to heol all humans and any other mentalized life-form in this Universe for getting better life’s conditions and then, being free for following the instincts , where is encrypted the ones mission. We need to get freedom for about 7 billions human-genes who have their brains stopped due working like slaves, we need help them to develop their brains. No prejudices There are no magics in the galaxies, nowhere, but, if we understand this universal moral code, we will be a force never saw before and we will do things that will seems like magics. By the way, I also have a dream and I like dreaming it. If you refuse to be part of some grand plan, you can not refuse matrix/DNA world view, due, as I explained, here there is no plan. Are genes obeying some big supernatural plan?

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        louismorelli

        chigau (違う)
        louismorelli
        liar

        Hmmm… my grandmother always said: “Be careful about people that says there is evil where you know that there is no evil… because the evil is in their heart…”
        Since I know that I didn’t any liars here, I will be advised about you and yours hearth…

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        louismorelli

        Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
        1 January 2015 at 9:40 pm
        Look to human embryogenesis. At 6 or 8 months when the brain is almost formed,
        No correlation shown by a link to third party evidence, you claim is dismissed as fuckwidttery. What part of you needing to show third party scientific evidence for every claim you make don’t you understand?
        Your word has been proven with evidence to be lies and bullshit. Therefore, you must elevate your argument to third parties, who don’t give a shit about your lies and bullshit, namely the peer reviewed scientific literature.
        You can’t do that.
        Prima facie evidence you are nothing but a new age (rhymes with sewage) creationist without one iota of evidence.
        Stop your lying and bullshitting to us, by either supplying links, or shutting the fuck up. Since only liars and bullshitters can’t put up, and won’t/can’t shut up, they show themselves to us with prima facie evidence. What is your choice cricket? I recommend shutting the fuck up.

        No mention to any natural real fact, phenomena or event! The same discourse repeated ad nauseum… Nerd, between me and “Nature” there are no thirds parts and this is the big problem of modern intellect today: they are studying theories at school, the representative and symbolic human translation about real Nature, they are applying this theoretical world for changing the environment and all human life’s aspect… and we are going towards a black hole with no return. Please, do what I did: go taking a shower of Nature in the jungle and then, come back talking to me… in a natural language.

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        louismorelli

        Raging Bee
        2 January 2015 at 7:55 am
        What, so you arbitrarily broke human development down into parts of a spectrum…

        Yours “scholar academic modern worldview” made you blind to the most wonderful, beautiful aspects of Nature, Bee. This is one sample:

        1) A little human baby has its body projected, expanding into time and space, and doing that, the body grows obeying a force ( which bring the dynamics of vital cycles), when its energy increases till the job done by the last gene, stands over a platform in equilibrium by a short time and suddenly begins to degenerate due entropy. The final result of this body is its fragmentation…

        2) A little initial gamma-ray, has its “body-wave” projected, expanding, into space/time, and doing this it obeys a variation in its frequencies/vibrations that goes decreasing till degenerating and being fragmented into photons. Hmmm…

        Ok, if a person was educated by any mystical world view, like deism, creationism, etc., his/her brain never will write 1 and 2 in this way. Never will perceive any pattern here, any correlation between humans and light waves, of course. And persons educated by the nihilist/materialist worldview will promptly be offended by any mention of this correlation. I don’t know how to explain it but the brain of another person considering the Matrix/DNA naturalist world view, when seeing and thinking about light, will immediately bring on from the memory the life’s history of a human body rolling under the process of vital cycles, like I did above. “The sequences of matter densities and energy are exactly equal?! Why? Is it merely coincidence or is there something else hidden here?”

        Ok,
        1) Light waves should be emitted by the Big Bang at the first moments of this Universe, there was a spatial substance, which were inertial, like the Higgs field, or the aether, etc..
        2) Human bodies are “emitted” after a bigbang of a spermatozzon membrane at ther center of an ovule, where there was a spatial substance, like amnion, etc.
        Is it still coincidences? Or it means that “the process for making human bodies is merely an advanced evolutionary stage of the process for making universes?!

        1) These light waves was expanding throughout this inertial substance, and a short time after that – began to emerging the first naturals systems… as atoms.
        2) These genetic forces were expanding throughout this inertial amnion, and a short time after that – began to emerging the first cells systems…

        Still merely coincidences? Or that hypothesis is becoming stronger and stronger?

        1) I have already saw that Nature can transform a lighter gaseous body into several shapes/functions and turning it into a complete perfect working system, only applying the vital cycle process over that body.
        2) The first cell begins to differentiate into cells with specific functions…

        The first shape of a human body is the morulae, which is the shape of atomic nebulas, next the shape will be blastulae, which seems agglomerates of galaxies…

        Do you know? To the hell you and yours “coincidences”, to the hell those that condemned Haeckel… this hypothesis makes sense to me.

        But… how, what’s the force that contains this process? Oh… it is here… light waves… a strong candidate?
        I had also calculated that the unique way for explaining how the terrestrial atoms took a shower of galactic’s complexities is considering that photons from cosmic and solar radiations worked as “astronomical ancestors of genes”. Again, light was there…working silent… Let’s go investigating this hypothesis… It makes sense because first was the natural light waves, after that was bodies with vital cycles like those human beings, so, if original light waves are linked to humans by evolution, light is the ancestor and not the other way around. Also, light is million times more simplest than humans…

        Ok, let’s go now search for all data collected by scientificism and empiricism about light, from Physics, Optics, electromagnetism, Einstein, Maxwell, etc., and etc. And searching ways for new experiments based on this hypothesis… Since that I will die before arriving to any proof that this hypothesis is right or wrong, at least I will have pleasure in my retirement times, having something that I like to do… Nobody will funding this “weird” idea, no problem, I will do it as possible…

        So, I don’t keep Matrix/DNA Theory only because it is suggesting hundreds, thousands of scientific experiments never imagined before. I keep it also because the Matrix is continuously leading me to compose big pictures where an incredible rational natural “reason” is flowing through all universal natural history. Not a natural reason suggesting gods or intelligent supernatural influences, but a natural Reason just equal my own Reason… I know it because my reasoning is able to understanding the natural reasoning. So, I love Nature, because It is me, and I am It. What Nature did, the right and the wrong things, I did it… in my 13,7 billion years old… You, poor man, be you a creationist or a materialist/nihilist, you hadn’t learned to notice and admiring these details…The world view they teach to you was built with an wrong reasoning, far away off the beam…

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        louismorelli

        David Marjanović
        Me: Neurology does not discover how neurons are related to thoughts
        …Of course it does.

        No it doesn’t. Relating thoughts to larger synaptic manifestations captured by MRI, etc., is not knowing how a physical touchable and visible object like the brain produces another physical still abstract – not touchable and visible – object. And this phrase is not mine it comes from a neuroscientist.

        You should learn some.

        You, before saying such thing, should see hundreds of articles/registration of data from neurobiology and neuroscience in my website. Brain, just now, is one of my latest object of research and supported by Matrix/DNA formula I am trying to do something never imagined before: composing the abstract mind as a working system. It is easy to understand. The brain was made as a system, having as template the universal formula for systems. Locating F1 as the hippocampus region we need beginning to trace the systemic circuit going to left H, to the first gland at left… it will be F2. And so on till we get the circular circuit doing a round trip going back to F1.

        For making the map of the mind ( as Matrix/DNA was the parents, the brain is the son, the mind is the grand-son) we must go projecting each part of the brain/system in a mirror, till completing it).

        But… half of neuro-scientists says that there is no mind, forget it, it is all about brain… and another half, the creationists, says that there is no mind, there is the “soul”… Then, Mr. Obama offering heavy funding for researching the brain, to these biased scientists, never will get his target… “Don’t worry my President! There is a half-monkey/half human in Amazon jungle doing the right thing…” hehehehe…

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        louismorelli

        louismorelli
        2 January 2015 at 8:39 pm

        Do you know? To the hell you and yours “coincidences”, to the hell those that condemned Haeckel… this hypothesis makes sense to me.

        While Haeckel worked only at biological level and conclude: “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”, I am going further, linking Biological Evolution and Cosmological Evolution, composing the big picture where “biological ontogeny recapitulates cosmic phylogeny”.

        Of course! Humans are being made by this Universe… this Universe is not a magician… this Universe can not creates new information from nothing… this Universe received billions of bits-information in shape of quantum-vortexes at the beginning and is using only those initial informations… this Universe only knows a method for doing things… this method is the method itself was made… That’s the cause that human ontogeny recapitulates cosmic phylogeny…

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        louismorelli
        3 January 2015 at 1:20 am
        … this Universe received billions of bits-information in shape of quantum-vortexes at the beginning and is using only those initial informations…

        Microscopical quantum-vortexes were like genes coming from an ex-machine natural system and were the first ancestors of astronomical black holes. Black holes are spirals surrounded and formed by spiral magnetic lines. From black holes light can’t escape… while the black hole is “alive”. But… black holes also dies. And when they dies, the spiral magnetic lines are projected to outer space carrying on all light that were imprisoned. That’s why ours scientific instruments are capturing those jets of gamma-ray from galactic nucleus. Those instruments are grasping the jets of light only at the event horizon and surrounding space, that’s why we are not saying the jets propagating far away into space as waves of light. If we could get it we would discover that gamma-ray becomes X-ray, then ultra-violet and so on…

        Black holes here are showing that quantum-vortexes can emit light waves. We are discovering that light waves are broken into slices, separating its different regions, aka, different frequencies/vibrations. When those light waves at the Big Bang penetrated dark matter, it broken dark matter into slices, each slice occupied by each specific frequency/vibration. So, although these slices can be in a infinite number, there are seven principals ( like when we trying to see the whole history of a human body, we separate it into seven categories: baby,child, teenager, etc.). It happens that when these slices are joined together in the same sequence of a light wave, they composes a working system. The first system were the atoms, the last ones – today and here – are human beings. So, human beings had as first ancestors, those quantum vortexes/bits information becoming light waves, etc.

        Now, the last natural system emerging from human beings is “consciousness”. The continuous repetition of synapses as electrical circuits are being fixed as light in a specie of a mirror, like the light starks we see in a storm turns on the cloud luminous. We are becoming light. We were light,we came from light and we are going back to be light. Conscious light. That’s why human ontogeny recapitulates cosmic phylogeny…

        Ok, everything written here is the metaphysical counterpart suggested by a materialistic worldview based on Matrix/DNA formula. Metaphysics is not my business just know,I am very busy searching practical applications by that formula. I will not debate metaphysics… it is black holes going nowhere…

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        louismorelli

        Owlmirror
        2 January 2015 at 10:26 am

        Louis: But the evolutionary jump between an atom and a cell is the size of the Universe… it is almost impossible!

        Hm. If I am reading Scale2 correctly, a carbon atom is about 10^-9m, and a cell is about 10^-4m (human egg cell, the largest there is), so about 5 orders of magnitude, maybe 6…

        Sorry, the word “size” here is merely metaphora. Evolutionary jump is about variation on complexity and makingcomparisonsbetween an atom and a cell we can see that this variation is too big. Then we need search a link, an evolutionary link but, keeping in mind that we are focusing systems, a simplest system and a more complex system. So, we need search this evolutionary link as a system, not a soup. And the unique existing systems that could be the link are the astronomical systems. They are more complex than atoms and less complex than cells. The Standard Model re-enforces this hypothesis when suggesting that atoms came first ( the lightest atoms), astronomical systems in the middle, and cells came later.

        I choose a method for searching this intermediary misterious system: comparative anatomy between atoms and cells. Written in a long list the differences, and another long list, the sameness ( identical details). Then, the details that are equals will be the structure of the skeleton of this lost link. The details that are different requires that we apply the mechanisms of evolution ( Darwin plus thermodynamics) for calculating how a detail was in the half-way between an atom and a cell. Then I was projecting every detail into a big picture, finally getting the face of the criminal…, I mean, the face of the mysterious evolutionary link.

        I never found any system with the face that I had at hands, while searching at Earth surface. But the Standard model was suggesting… it is in the sky, It must be an astronomical system. Then I arranged the seven kinds of astronomical bodies in a new connection’s system and got a cosmological model that fits very well the face got by the comparative method. Is it the mysterious link? Then, how some terrestrial atoms were re-engineered for getting the astronomical complexity?! Later I discovered that the biological genetic process applied at astronomical scales can do the job. Now, hands at work, testing the whole theory…

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        David Marjanović

        Wow, I tried to close an <a> tag with a <b> tag, and then I performed a blockuqote. :-( Let me try again (and catch up).

        Neurology does not discover how neurons are related to thoughts

        …Of course it does. You should learn some.

        It’s called “neurobiology” or “neuroscience”, though. The term “neurology” is already occupied by the branch ofmedicine that applies the knowledge discovered by neuroscience.

        Please, take a minute and go to see the figure of a nude human brain with its tail, the spinal medulla. Are you seeing that this image is same image when a spermatozoon penetrates an ovule, still with its tail outside?

        That is breathtakingly obvious pareidolia. You should be ashamed.

        Yes, seriously, I mean it: you should be ashamed that you’re trying to use your personal taste in vague superficial similarities as a scientific argument.

        That’s why when our body needs to repair or rebuilding any cellular organelle or any flow of energy of any bodies’system or sub-systems, the body sends an RNA asking it to DNA, where the whole system is encoded.

        Almost every word of this is wrong.

        Why have you, in those 30 years, never bothered to open a highschool-level biology textbook?

        If it is not new, you need show to me where is the mind or consciousness at amoebas, lizards… at all ours ancestors.

        Monitor lizards (closely related to snakes and mosasaurs) have been observed to play. Does that count as a “mind or consciousness”?

        None of our ancestors were lizards, though.

        Fun fact. I’ve partaken in quite an amount of green while reading journal articles, text books and organizing information in excel and other areas.

        Green? Did someone bring you a shrubbery? :-)

        I knew that Physics considers plasma as the fourth state of matter, so, since that the Matrix formula is suggesting that this new system emerging from the brain is a new state of matter, I precipitated took the name, plasma, and have no time yet for researching this issue. But, the plasma described by Physics’ perspective ( I saw it now following yours link) is an antique evolutionary state of matter and matrix is telling about the last evolutionary shape… about which I make no idea what is it.

        Unfortunately I have to continue teaching you basic terminology: evolution = descent with heritable modification. Matter doesn’t reproduce, so it doesn’t descend or inherit, and that means there’s no such thing as an “evolutionary state of matter” (ancient or otherwise).

        Also, there is no progress in evolution. There is no “last evolutionary shape”, unless extinction happens to follow.

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        This state must be something like light reflected and captured in a cloud.

        …That’s still light. It’s not a state of matter or anything.

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        This is a very complex issue that we merely can build hypothesis. There are several indications that “natural original light” is not visible by ours instruments and left hemisphere of the brain. What do you think, for instance, about that video and book of a neuroscientist called “A Stroke Insight”, I think? I forgot her name. Watching and listening natives in Amazon jungle that drink their hallucinogenic beverages I had several indications of this phenomena. Now I am research about holograms, maybe this is indicative of this new supposed state of matter… The natural original light is so strong that turns out our vision and we becomes blinds. What we see as light ( from stars) is a second generation, a re-transmission of the original light…

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        Think about a space filled with lighter inertial mass, at the beginning of the Universe ( you could call it “the Higgs field”). Suddenly, this mass is penetrated by waves of light, coming from the Big Bang. Look to a light wave. It changes shapes, intensity, vibrations, frequencies, while it is propagating. We normally shares these transformations into seven frequencies: gamma ray, infra-red, X-ray, etc. Now, leave the light wave and look to yours own body. Yours body had propagated into time and space since it was born. It has changed shapes, vibrational states, energetic intensity, etc. Why yours body did it? Why a stone does no do it? it is due yours body obeys the dynamics of a process called life’s cycle. And the stone does not. But… the sequence of changes of yours body propagating into time and space are the same sequence of a light wave when propagating through the Universe. it means that light waves obeys the same process of life’s cycle. It is a living thing, brother.

        So, what came first: light waves or human bodies? of course, it is light waves. So who brought this novelty of life cycle to mass-bodies? Of course, it was light waves. it is so obvious, my friend… when a person learns what means life’s cycles, natural systems and knows the Matrix/DNA formulas…

        That…

        That is sad.

        It is really sad.

        If you refers to ” a light wave is a living thing” you are right, the word “living” here is not right. But it is not my fault, it is yours: you created this word “life” and with this word you separated us from ours cosmological ancestors. I already said here that makes no sense separating working natural systems into “living” and “non-living”. This is a prejudice for students to understand what is really a natural system. Instead “living thing”I should say “it is a prototype of working system”.

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        Look to a light wave. It changes shapes, intensity, vibrations, frequencies, while it is propagating.

        It doesn’t change at all while it is propagating – except for the various kinds of redshift (or blueshift) if it goes very, very far.

        It’s sad enough that you have no idea what you’re talking about; but now that you build a whole system of thought on this lack of knowledge, I actually want to cry for you.

        waves carry energy away from their source 

         

         

        https://plus.google.com/+BrianKoberlein/posts/cP1GCK9ZSbY

        Yours body had propagated into time and space since it was born. It has changed shapes, vibrational states, energetic intensity, etc. Why yours body did it?

        Life is a chemical reaction. Life is a particular kind of change.

        Not all change, however, is life.

        All women are humans. Not all humans are women.

        Why yours body did it? Why a stone does no do it? it is due yours body obeys the dynamics of a process called life’s cycle. And the stone does not.

        That’s not an explanation, it’s a repetition!

        This is simply another sign of your invincible ignorance: that claim is a pop-psychology factoid, which bears little resemblance to the complex results of research over the last several decades. Here is what a recent article has to say:

        Oh, thanks, that’s awesome! :-)

        These photons-bits penetrates terrestrial atoms till reaching its particles, then, they get the control of the atom machinery, driving them to new kind of atomic connections.

        …This is nonsense. Photons are absorbed or reflected by electrons. Photons cannot get control of anything; upon contact with anything, they are reflected or destroyed!

        Photons can destroy bonds between atoms, meaning they can destroy molecules, if they have enough energy ( = a short enough wavelength): this happens when they are absorbed ( = destroyed) by electrons which become, in the process, so hot that they move from a binding to an antibinding orbital (or indeed out of the molecule altogether, in extreme cases). There is no control here.

        These connections are driving with a purpose: the bits-photons has the tendency to joining with their antique neighbours bits-photons when they were composing the astronomical system.

        And then they lived happily ever after.

        You’re making shit up. You’re telling us a fairytale!

        I give up on the rest of comment 193; I could spend the rest of the day explaining why a third of it is empirically wrong and the rest doesn’t even mean anything.

        What is “memory”? What’s its substance?

        Synapses with phosphorylated ion channels.

        Thoughts are electric currents in the brain. Memories are established patterns of wiring.

        called “lateral base-pair of nucleotides”

        No, that’s wrong twice over.

        1) Where are you taking lateral from???
        2) Either “base pair” or “pair of nucleotides”; or indeed “pair of bases” or “nucleotide pair”. Trying to say both will only give you a job in the Department of Redundancy Department.

        the antenna of insects/animals able to grasp magnetic fields that is today our pineal gland

        *sigh* No. It’s true that the pineal gland is descended from a light-sensitive organ that used to be exposed to light through a hole in the skull, and still is in tuatara; but the pineal gland has nothing to do with magnetic fields, the antennae of insects have nothing to do with either magnetic fields or pineal glands, and none of our ancestors were insects (or other animals with antennae)!

        First there is the “picture” of Matrix/DNA formula. Following, there is a second picture.

        If it’s a formula, you can write it down in ordinary mathematical notation.

        Do that, or stop calling it a formula, for fuck’s sake!

        Even by the meaning of “formula” you quoted from a dictionary, a picture is not a formula.

        Human Ideal Perfect Familiar System

        …Are you nuts?

        Dawkins with his “a bunch of atoms called genes have purposes, like spreading by reproduction the most possible ways”, or still Hawking “I see in the sky giant ghosts black holes that are evil and cannibal of whole worlds

        You’ve misunderstood both really badly.

        Dawkins was using “selfish” in a metaphorical way. His point was that evolution does not “preserve the species”, does not work to the advantage of “the species” or the individual; genes are the unit of natural selection.

        Hawking didn’t invent black holes, and he didn’t discover any through a telescope; other people did that. He contributed to our understanding of black holes; and he never did such a silly thing as calling them “evil”.

        Once again, you’re talking about things you don’t understand – even though you could learn them very easily!

        1) My theory suggests that LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of all biological systems never lived at Earth surface but it still is alive in the sky. And the theory goes further showing a picture with the face of LUCA. But you saying that LUCA lived at Earth, so next to us and somuch easy for being hunted, you never produced neither a draw or project of his face… Where is it?

        It divided into two new cells…?

        It didn’t live next to us. It became us, for the largest possible value of “us”.

        2) Tell me the supernatural fact that help the Darwinian evolutionary formula convincing a female reptile that was putting eggs out for making the biggest sacrifice of keeping the eggs in and so, developing the extraordinary engeenary of pregnancy; ( Matrix/DNA formula have solved this problem 30 years ago);

        It’s a well-known fact that different egg-laying animals lay their eggs at different stages during the embryo’s development (or even before it in the case of external fertilization). You should google for “embryo retention”. It is further a well-known fact that laying eggs isn’t an either-or thing; there are plenty of species where a soft-shelled egg is produced but not laid at all, instead the young hatches inside the mother and is then born, and then the eggshell is expelled. There are also species where the shell is reduced or lost, and in the absence of a shell there’s a continuum from a fetus that lives off a yolk sac to a placenta.

        Egg-laying appears to have been lost about a hundred times among lizards and snakes alone, and even regained several times. It is simply not a big deal.

        3) Where is the microscopic atom that had all matter and energy and like yours god could create this Universe…

        Congratulations, you’ve been sleeping for the last few decades. Lemaître postulated a “primordial atom” which exploded in an existing space – modern cosmology has never done that. The universe itself is what was tiny and then expanded. Space itself becomes bigger.

        4) Where and how were all forces and elements that converged to Earth for creating biological systems, aka “life”, if yours astronomical standard model did not show neither one till now?

        Start here.

        What?! Are you saying that in the scientific literature our respectful ancestors like atoms and galactic systems didn’t have DNA? Are you saying that this extraordinary engineered DNA was invented by the stupid matter of a lost planet and inside ancestors like amoebas?!

        Yes.

        Did you believe DNA is some kind of ghost? It’s a real substance that consists of real atoms (not the other way around, for crying out loud). The collection of every highschool should be able to show you some: it’s a white sludge.

        And no, it’s not engineered at all. It’s a pretty chaotic affair. On top of that, it falls apart when it’s stored in water – living organisms spend a large part of their basic metabolism on constantly repairing it.

        if the boss, PZ Mayers [sic!], discovers what we are doing in his blog, going far away off the topic, he will be furious and will delete these comments.

        😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

        LOL! No, PZ doesn’t get furious at topic drift so deep down a thread, and he only deletes comments by people who are already banned.

        Finding out about the Universe was the goal of the founding fathers at the Illuminism,

        I was wondering when the Illuminati would appear.

        He’s clearly talking about the Enlightenment.

        Hypothesis: An educated guess that is only presumed to be factual until supported by experiment.

        Principle or scientific law: A hypothesis that has been tested over and over again without being contradicted.

        That’s not right. A hypothesis is mainly just smaller than a theory, but bigger and better tested than a speculation. A law is something quite different: it’s a mere generalization across a lot of facts, commonly expressable as a mathematical formula. Hypotheses don’t grow up to become laws – they explain laws.

        They will increase the nowadays 7 billion humans as slaves in misery to 20 billions…

        No. A study published in 2001 already showed that the world population is going to peak at 9 billion or so, and will begin to decline before the end of the century – when it will likely already be lower than today.

        I will begin my defense with an argument. I will put over the table a big picture with the Matrix/DNA genetic code or formula. Now, put yours left hand over the formula. The palm most be upon F1, so the minor finger at left will be F2, till the thumb as F7. Since that the formula describes a system formed by a body rolling under the force of a life’s cycle ( like you can see here at my avatar) the fatal conclusion is that the shapes ans sequence of yours fingers tell the evolutionary history of yours own body: look to the minor finger and look to the shape of a baby; look to the function and size of the next finger and look to a child; till looking to the last finger, the dump and make comparisons with yours body last shape, a senior curved by life.

        So, there are five fingers, and you have managed to arbitrarily divide human development into five stages, and you think it’s really fascinating that 5 = 5.

        Just for a moment now remember that we humans aren’t the only species of living beings. Consider the hand of a snake.

        Oops.

        Consider the hand of a horse: it has one finger. Do horses have a one-stage development? Not any more than humans do.

        Consider the hand of a tyrannosaurid: it has two fingers. Did tyrannosaurids have a two-stage development? Oh no, they even had a very human-like growth spurt.

        I conclude that there is no correlation between the number of fingers per hand and the number of ontogenetic stages.

        After doing this demonstration I will begin to tell the evolutionary history of human hands till arriving at the first cellular cylias. But I will not stop here. I will make the evolutionary digression passing on traces of magnetic field of ous stellar system showing the source of cylliar cells. Then I will go to the state of the Universe when the atoms nuclei was forming and will bring on the table the brilliant explanation of the Nobel prize Hideki Yukawa about the nuclear glue between protons and neutrons for showing the primitive traces of those magnetic “scyllias” at astronomical level. Finally I will arrive one minute after the Big Bang showing how two quantum vortex are joining to shape the first quarks and leptons and where is there the primitive force that developed in modern human hands.

        Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

        Of course you are seeing how the dancers moves, something about the orchestra ( signaling) but where is the “maestro”, the “compositor”? Or do you think that a bunch of atoms like molecules is seeing thousands of miles around them ( in that scale at microscopical level) for to control where to send a cell, or when is time for putting a gene on or off, etc?

        But that’s it, man: there is no conductor and no compositor. There is no authority, no Creator, no Designer. There is only electrostatic attraction & repulsion, and Brownian motion.

        Gene regulation has been understood (in its basics) for decades now. For example (and that’s the example that got Monod his Nobel prize), transcription of the lactose-cutting enzyme of Escherichia coli is switched on by lactose in the absence of glucose, and is switched off by glucose, in a really mechanical way. No decision, no planning, no oversight, no conscience is involved; it’s a machine.

        Let that sink in.

        And then let your shame sink in, the shame you ought to feel about not having opened a biology textbook in forty years. This is highschool stuff over here.

        Ah, only creationists use evidences. Nobody else does.

        *cough*

        29+ Evidences for Macroevolution:
        The Scientific Case for Common Descent

        That has to be a direct reference to a creationist document. The entire rest of the page uses “evidence” exclusively as a mass noun, and “evidences” occurs nowhere except in the title.

        “Evidences” was normal in English 100 years ago, but since then it has gradually retreated to apologetics. Other languages tend not to even have a comparable word: French has a word évidence, but that means “that which is evident”, not “evidence for an idea”; German basically has nothing – what I’ve seen used are the count nouns Beweis“proof”, Hinweis “hint”, Indiz “evidence in a strictly legal context”, and very recently attempts to coin a mass nounEvidenz on the English model, but those haven’t gone far yet and are clearly not widely understood.

        BTW, English is unusual in using “evidence”, “information” and (almost exclusively nowadays) “data” as mass nouns; they tend to be count nouns elsewhere.

        I didn’t say the “Amazon jungle”. I said “the heart of Amazon jungle”, where I lived. It is called The Jamanxin Territory ( the middle of Tapajós River), but these indigenous (native people) lives 200 hundred kilometers away from there. There are no signals anywhere of any kind that humans walked through that place.

        1) You’re saying there are humans there now. Obviously, then, humans have walked through that place.
        2) Archeology has produced many surprising findings in the Amazon basin; has any been done in Jamanxin?

        P.S. I would correct you on one point if you don’t mind: Some dinosaurs were bigger than humans. Many were smaller.

        Most, actually, have been smaller. Especially, but not only, in the last 66 million years.

        You believe that you are separated from those “stupid” and “non-living” ancient system… so, you must be “special”.

        That, frankly, makes no sense.

        xxxxx

        Ultimo post no Pharyngula? 

        louismorelli

        PZ Myers
        13 January 2015 at 12:07 pm
        Yeah, I’m getting tired of louismorelli word salad too. No substance. Bring the beef or shut up.

        Ok, let’s go to scientific papers. Avin Loeb ( see here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/science/avi-loeb-ponders-the-early-universe-nature-and-life.html?_r=0 ) in his paper on arXiv.org can help you to understand when something that makes sense seems to be a word salad for those that does not know the issue.

        Avin’s theory is that CMBR could produce the basic chemistry for life at 13, 6… billions years ago, because CMBR produced the room temperature.
        Now you change CMBR by “light waves as carriers of energy”, basic chemistry for life change by “organizing the seven kinds of astros into a working system”: and “room temperature” change by “the support of the sequence of any life’s cycle due the sequence of the energy carried by light waves”.

        Avi’s had a brilliant intuition but he is anthropologizing the Cosmos, projecting life as we know it here as the life he is seeing at the Universe’s origins. Matrix/DNA Theory predicted 30 years ago ( see my copyrights in my website what astronomers would saying today, but not doing the same mistakes of antropologization.

        There is no word salad when the same logical line is told since the beginnings of this thread. The problem is that you ( and Avin also) was educated by the reductionist method and never meet the systemic method. When we talks about systems, we bring quasars and ribosomes and livers in the same issue because all systems are opened and connected with all systems. When you get trained in systemic vision you learn how to eat the salad… It is very difficult and too much hard to learn to see the world by the system’s vision but it is half-science, the complement to reductionism. Do you which to evolve? Do the hard work…

        Thanks by the banning, Matrix/DNA has survived to this test and I am grateful for everybody that contributed here…

Que Tipo de Informação Estamos Buscando na Internet? Como está o seu Filtro de Informações?

sábado, março 8th, 2014

A visão de mundo da Matrix/DNA tem uma sugestiva solução para o problema apontado neste artigo. A Internet nos envolve cada vez mais porque buscamos não sabemos bem o que ( se encontrar-mos paramos de buscar) e nela podem estar as informações que estamos precisando. Com isso vamos ingerindo uma avalanche de informações que é o alimento apreciado pela mente, esta cresce e o corpo definha, na solidão do computador. Depois de dia e noite de busca caímos exaustos e infelizes com a sensação de fracasso, pois perdemos um tempão e não encontramos nada util. Mais ou menos temos um filtro interno que nos dirige ao que buscamos, as informações filtradas ainda são nosso consolo pois sentimos que aumentou nosso conhecimento na direção do nosso caminho, aumentou o nosso potencial.  Mas são tantas atrações apelativas que na manchete prometem conter boas informações. No fim, enchemos o cêsto de nossa mente e memória de informações inuteis. Tudo isso será menos prejudicial quanto melhor for o nosso filtro. Mas como fazer o melhor filtro?

Eu tenho o meu. Minha visão de mundo me sugere que o Universo obedece a um propósito e se queremos viver melhor temos que nos adaptar e nos sincronizar evolutivamente com este propósito. O propósito é o que penso ver a meta final alcançada pelo Universo aqui nestas regiões do Cosmos onde vivo e neste tempo da existencia cósmica em que vivo. É o propósito de desenvolver o cérebro biológico porque este está sendo a placenta dentro da casca dura do ovo-cabeça humana onde está sendo gestada a mais nova e complexa arquitetura natural, chamada “auto-consciencia”, ou “mente”. Ora então tenho que sincronizar meu comportamento com a linha deste propósito. tenho que pautar minha vida como este propósito sendo o meu propósito.

E pelo que penso, mente é uma coisa abstrata aos meus sentidos fisicos que se alimenta de informações – outro elemento abstrato- e opera com informações. Portanto a busca de informações deve ser minha principal meta, e não a busca de dinheiro, de parceira sexual, familia, luxo, etc. Porem aí retorna o problema: existem informações que ao invés de serem benéficas a este propósito são malignas, e outras que são lixo, portanto uml peso a carregar. O grande genio da eletro-magnética, Maxwell, elaborou um mecanismo onde existiam duas camaras separadas por uma parede com um furo no meio por onde atravessavam particulas e disso tudo ele concluiu: é muito mais dificil se desfazer de informações inuteis que obter informações novas e uteis. Quem se interessar procure “o Demon de Maxwell”

Qual seria o tipo de informações ideais para a evolução da mente? Eu penso que na sua atual fase embrionaria a mente esta se formando como projeção do mundo material externo. Então a informação util será toda informação sobre cada detalhe do mundo real, natural. Não importa que vamos morrer pobres devido essa ocupação, e que não vamos em vida obter mais que pequena porcentagem da informação natural necessaria: nos vivemos saudavelmente em sincronia com o fluxo do Universo, da Natureza.

Mas será mesmo? Aqui existe uma armadilha. A Natureza se apresenta em tres estados: caos, ordem e equilibrio-evolutivo transcendental. Nós estamos circundados pelo estado de caos, esta biosfera que teve inicio como selvagem, é do caos que aprendemos as primeiras informações. Acima de nós vemos o estado de ordem astronomico, tudo funciona com a precisão de um relógio, ao qual quase não temos acesso. Ao mesmo tempo todo humano precisa de algo em que acreditar para move-lo a sobreviver e modelar seu comportamento. Tal como no meu caso, esse algo em que acreditar, que é o significado da existencia, é obtido da nossa interpretação privada da Natureza, do mundo total. Se nos esquecermos que as informações que temos são tendenciosas porque vem dos apenas 33% da face da Natureza ( do estado de caos) e afirmar-mos nosso significado de existencia encima desse conhecimento… com certeza vamos acreditar no mundo errado e no sentido de existencia errado.  Por isso na minha teoria misturo a busca de informação sobre a totalidade da Natureza da Terra com a Natureza do Ciosmos cujas informações chegam agora aos borbotões com nossos satétlites e robots espaciais. Tem que contrabalançar caos e ordem, não se basear em nenhum dos dois, para se obter o equilibtio evolutivo transcendental. Tenho que buscar acima de tudo o significado existencial em que acredito e filtrar as informações tendo ele por base. Aí está o meu filtro, a minha policia da Internet.  Espero que isto o/a ajude a refletir melhor essa questão e se tiveres correções/ sugestões, agradeço. Por enquanto é muito bom ler o artigo com link abaixo:

 What good is information? 

The internet promised to feed our minds with knowledge. What have we learned? That our minds need more than that 

http://aeon.co/magazine/living-together/the-problem-with-too-much-information/

 

Informação Natural: O Universo Não É Magico, Portanto Não Pode Criar Informação do Nada – Testar Esta Sugestão da Matrix/DNA Teoria

sábado, outubro 26th, 2013

A informação mais complexa que eu conheço existente na Natureza é a “auto-consciência”. Se na Natureza se cria novas informações que nunca existiram antes, como sugere a Nova Síntese da Teoria da Evolução  a auto-consciência então seria o melhor exemplo dessa tese. Na Teoria da Matrix/DNA, os seus modelos estão sugerindo que o Universo ( portanto, a Natureza) é apenas a estrutura onde esta ocorrendo um processo de reprodução genética, do sistema Natural que o gerou. Se isto for verdade, a auto-consciência sera então apenas mais uma reprodução de um sistema que já a possuía  Portanto, se a informação mais difícil, mais complexa, não foi criada do Nada pelo Universo, muito menos qualquer outra mais simples o teria sido.

Por outro lado, a Teoria da Matrix/DNA tem seu próprio modelo de como a matéria se manifestou apos o Big Bang, modelo altamente baseado na teoria da cola nuclear de Hideki Yukawa. Neste modelo, todas as informações existentes no Universo estiveram aqui no momento de sua emergência  assim como todas as informações que construíram meu corpo estavam dentro do ovulo no momento do Big Bang do espermatozoide que o fecundou. Portanto por dois caminhos diferentes a teoria chega a mesma sugestão:  a Natureza Universal não cria novas informações  O que ela pode fazer é recombinar as informações que ela recebeu de muitas novas maneiras nunca feitas antes dentro do Universo, mas isto são pacotes de informações que já existiam separadas, não se trata de criação de nova informação 

Bem, me parece que a Comunidade Acadêmica defende o contrario. Como eu não defendo ninguém  nem a minha teoria, mas sim quero a verdade, farei na medida do possível um estudo da moderna teoria da informação, registrando aqui tudo o que for colhendo de importante sobre o tema.  

Este é um assunto “não-cientifico”, creio eu. Portanto nenhuma teoria sobre origens das informações pode ser cientifica. Se uma dada informação for apontada como sendo criada num sistema, digamos, a biosfera terrestre,  eu exigiria que fosse provado que ela não é um pacote de informações que ja existiam na galaxia. E mesmo que provassem que uma das unidades de informação do pacote não existia na galaxia, eu exigiria que provassem não existindo no Universo. E depois, fora e antes do mundo que criou o Universo. OU seja, para se provar que uma informação foi criada do Nada seria preciso alguém ir ate o infinito, passar para alem dele, olhar para trás, e voltar mostrando que não a encontrou. Portanto nenhuma teoria aqui jamais poderá ser “cientifica”. 

Quanto aos crentes defensores da tese de que existe um “Deus” que pode criar novas informações a partir do Nada, eu sempre terei a mesma resposta: Traga esse Deus aqui e mande-o criar nova informação na minha frente.”

Isto é muito importante definir por causa da conotação ideológica de cada definição diferente do nome “nova informação .  Desde que se acredita em “nova informação  como algo criado aqui, forçosamente a mente que acredita nisto foi conduzida a assim acreditar porque é deísta ou ateísta  Ou seja, duas faces de uma mesma moeda, o tal do “pensamento mistico magico”.  

A calhar vejo o seguinte post:

PhysForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums -> Biology, Chemistry, Medicine, Other Sciences -> Biology

http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=46014&st=45

timrh – Posted: Aug 25 2013, 12:59 PM

 

Over time genomes are in a state of constant change adding, changing and creating new information by recombining existing sequences in new ways. Recombination creates new information. Aside from gene duplications which can be caused by transposons and other movable genetic elements, parallel transfers of genes from one species to another can be mediated by viruses and retroviruses. Much of the DNA originally thought to be junk is involved in subtle processes of gene regulation and in suppressing the activitiies of selfish replicating elements (like transposons). Evolutionary history suggest that symbiois between organisms can eventually result in entire mergers and recombination of genes. In particular look up the endosymbiont theory of how complex eukaroytic cells with organelles originally evolved from combinations of siomple prokaryotes. Plant cells appear to have evolved from a symbiotic assocaition between an arche-bacterial and blue-green algal cell. The blue-green algal function evolved into the green phoytosynthesising chloroplast organelle with some of its genes still encoded by a small bacterium-like chloroplast genome but with most of the genes for chloroplast function now having recombined into and being located in the DNA within the nucleus.

Meu pensamento:

Timrh esta usando o nome “nova informação” de uma certa porem, de maneira errada. Ela pode ser uma nova informação em relação aos sistemas biológicos, mas não sera um pacote de informações existentes nos ancestrais sistemas astronômicos e atômicos, apenas recombinadas de outro jeito nunca feito antes? Os modelos astronômicos da Matrix/DNA estão mostrando que todas as informações que vemos na Biosfera aqui existiam em LUCA. Mas LUCA é ainda uma teoria, portanto…