Como se pode ver num artigo anterior que esta copiado aqui abaixo sob o titulo ” As Mais Import…” , continua o dialogo entre Louis Morelli e Leonid Chumachenko, pois ambos sao autores de duas teorias sobre as origins da Vida. No link abaixo esta os dois primeiros posts dos autores:
by TheMatrixDNA » Sun May 05, 2013 3:07 pm
Ok, Mr Leonid, I am very happy knowing that someone else is working a better theory of origins, like me. We both had elaborated a general theory and we, both, are written a book. I think it is a great opportunity for us, both, changing ideas, showing results, two brains thinking about the best interpretation of data. I think that we, bot, are after the Truth,only the real Truth, so, we have no motive for competition between theories.I have read yours website ( I have a website also, if you are interested) and I am surprisingly that it seems we are at the same track, since that we are using two different methods and we are living/researching at two very different places:you at a technical laboratory in Russia and me, at a natural laboratory in Amazon jungle. But, both, are not native speaking English…
I propose a method for beginning our exchanges. You, wisely, had posted several questions that Science should answer about life’s phenomena and origins. We could take one by one, answering them and after that, debating the answers. The first questions you put are about space and vast cosmological phenomena, which I suggest is not the target related to life. So I will copy here the first question, answering it and waiting yours answer. Ok?
1 Question) – – What is the relationship between the structure of space and DNA and RNA structures?
Louis Morelli: – Since that I think space is merely a human concept about distances and sizes of material substances/bodies, I will take this question as: “What is the relationship between the material structures dispersed at Cosmological space and DNA/RNA structures? Then,… the relationship is same evolutionary lineage, plus same and unique process of natural’s systems cycle.
So, biological DNA was produced direct from a mutation occurred in the non-biological “Matrix/DNA” of the last more evolved non-biological system that were existing at the time of biological DNA emergency, which was the astronomical galactic system. Since that this “matrix” is unknown by you, I will advance briefly that you need see the model at my website, which is the resume of all informations related to the process by which appears the seven different kinds of astronomical bodies, like planet, star, pulsar, comet, moon quasar, black hole. Under evolutionary process biological DNA is the species of universal systems resulting from complexity applied over astronomical DNA and under life’s cycle process DNA is resulting shape of an ancestor that was miniaturized nannotecnologically like any adult man is miniaturized inside chromosomas. The extraordinary mutation from astronomical system is due this system was formed only with the gaseous and solid states of matter, while its ” offspring” biological DNA was formed at an environment containing the two states plus the liquid state (water), which produced the evolution of physics process to chemistry processes.
(Is it possible to understand something in this way?)
Answer from Leonid: – (?)
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Re: The general theory of origin of life
» Mon May 06, 2013 7:55 pm
Thanks for the question, Louis. I have reviewed your site. You raise a large and interesting questions, and you came very close to the truth. Especially in parts of the matrix and the natural intelligent system. In the book, I detail describe the matrix of space, and to show “how it happens” on atomic level. But I will not sharpen the focus on the mental side of life, so as not to scare readers of true. For this, planned second book, in which will set out the second part of single philosophical concept. If you have a desire and you feel the strength “to face the truth,” then I can invite you to write the second part in collaboration. The first book, without second part, is overflowing by new discoveries. New “The theory of space” allows to understand and describe the long series of physical phenomena on a single platform. Trajectory of movement electrons and the lightning, the mechanism of gravitational attraction, the nature and structure of the force fields (electric and magnetic), the structure of the atomic nucleus, the nature and mechanism of formation of atomic orbitals, the formation of the wave-properties of light and matter, the phenomena of diffraction and interference (including the two-slit experiment), and etc. Quantum mechanics will be know the nature of Feynman integrals (the distribution of the trajectories), Heisenberg “principle of uncertainty” will receive new, understandable and rigid frames (and physics-students will stop writing on the walls of toilets: “Probably, there was Heisenberg”).
The emergence of the material life – is one of the peaks (and crowns) in the multifaceted activities of space. The mechanism of the emergence of new forms of life is very simple, it never stops, and happening now, is the current time. The process of the origin of life is operates and there exists a parallel with the process of evolution, and independent of it. Otherwise, how can you explain the emergence of entirely new forms of viruses, bacteria and other pioneers on our planet? It is possible that the processes of evolution and the origin are overlaping in some places, and doing “partial introduction” of new genetic material to the existing body of the carrier. Are needed tests, direct experiments, but I do not have access to modern laboratory (physical, chemical and biological). Therefore, I am forced to describe in the book some of the experiments in the hope, that it will seen interested universities or laboratories that can perform these tasks.
You ask: – What is the relationship between the structure of space and DNA and RNA structures? I answer: – Direct. Grain of space corresponding rank is the direct parent of nucleotides – based on deoxyribose and ribose molecules. The book has a chapter “The nature, mechanism and principle of choice by Nature the molecule of deoxyribose for the DNA construction”. In it all painted in detail, from zero to DNA and RNA. Plus DNA features that are not yet known to science. God (or mind) can not directly to change the material world. For this purpose, there is a universal intermediary (medium) – space. Remember the prophecy of the philosopher Plato, via Timaeu’s mouth he said: – “So, in my opinion, a short conclusion is next: at the present there is the time, there is the space and there is the appearance, and the three [species] have separately, even before the birth of the sky …” Now, we just to clarify of this legacy. Without the “Theory of space” all “theory of the origin of life” are exsanguinated (or castrated). We will never get a new “life in vitro,” if we do not understand the mechanism the conditions for its origin. “The theory of space” will give for biologists, physicists, chemists, astrophysicists, astrobiologists and other researchers a tool that is as important as a scalpel for surgeon. There is every reason to believe that after the “theory of evolution”, the “theory and model of space” will be the next big, full and workable theory in biology. The space is in the same degree “live” as well as any other biological object. I think that this statement will understood and undeniable for all after reading the book.
Publication of the book is scheduled for the summer of 2013. But there is one problem – I can not accurately translate the book from Russian to English. Disseminate such knowledge in one language is not fair to other researchers. Professional translation to English will cost several thousand dollars. Therefore I want to spend the book through one of the crowd-funded platform, for example “Kickstarter” to raise funds for the translation. If this scheme does not work, then the book will be available only in Russian. My philosophical laboratory has the status of “independent,” and therefore has not state or other funding. If you come to the conclusion that this book might be interesting and useful for your worldview and activities, then I’ll let you know on action start of a subscription to the book. Preliminary title of the book: “The origin of life and space. General theory and universal model”.
With best regards, Leonid Chumachenko
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Very interesting, Leniel. Thanks for the answer.
You said: I want to spend the book through one of the crowd-funded platform, for example “Kickstarter” to raise funds for the translation.
I hope you will be successful, really we need the English version. I will try to participate with the funding-raising. Yes, the difference of languages is a big problem.
You said: Especially in parts of the matrix and the natural intelligent system. In the book, I detail describe the matrix of space, and to show “how it happens” on atomic level. But I will not sharpen the focus on the mental side of life, so as not to scare readers of true.
I recognize that any mention of “intelligent system” and ” mental side of life” should be a miscarriage, a big mistake, in any theory of life’s origins. This is one advantage talking with others people before writen a book, allways there are something that we does not notice that’s wrong. But, I don’t know where did you get the information that my website says something about intelligent system and mental side. Should it be when it is written… ” like the man is body and mind, DNA is material structure and an unknown command of instructions, and computer is software plus hardware – the process of universal evolution is composed of hardware and software that interact among themselves retroactively”…? If yours answer is yes, I recognize that it will be difficult for me finding new way for arguments. I think that this set of “abstract thoughts” that we call “mind” can’t be an first emergence here at humans and Earth, so, it must coming from elsewhere under the evolution process. During the prior time before human brains, this “mind” aspect of Nature was not expressed, but existing as potential. It is like our computers having software, which does not expresses “de per se”, it is a not-self-expressed, but has the potential for future Artificial Intelligence that could adquire self-conciousness. If we does not consider this hypothesis, we only have the alternative that self-conciousness is a creation, an invention by biological systems, which should be a non rational hypothesis. Where else did you get these informations? I am not a believer in Intelligent Design as yours words seems supposing, so, I need to know why readers gets this idea. Thanks.
You said: New “The theory of space” allows to understand and describe the long series of physical phenomena on a single platform. Trajectory of movement electrons and the lightning,
That’s very interesting, the investigation about these ineer constituints and movements in space and its effects over life’s origins. Interesting also is the different pathways we have applied. I think you began the theory already dealing with not visible by naked eyes the micro and macro dimensions/phenomena, while I ignored them and considered only the visible constituints at middle dimension (or our dimension). So, I am thinking that our theories will be different at the beginning. Yours beginnings involves “complex knowledge and theories” and advances towards empirical evidences, while my theory makes just the opposite direction. Food for thoughts… what do you think about? What’s the best strategy for readers understanding? I will advance that for me, at first glance, the concept of space, is merely a human construction, not a thing de per se. What matters are the material constituints occupying dimensional volums fitting territories, as particles, waves, etc. So, any theory of life that begins trying to deal with space, will face the risk that the reader will get the idea that it is metaphysical. I know it is not, but is the same problem that I can’t avoid the ” minded” phenomena hidden in primitive evolution althought it has being not expressed. Maybe our different cultures have different viewpoints about space.
You said: …the formation of the wave-properties of light and matter…
I am curious to understandin how do you deal with these phenomena and links it to life.
n James Clerk Maxwell discovered that he could combine four simple equations, which had been previously discovered, along with a slight modification to describe self-propagating waves of oscillating electric and magnetic fields
Este autor, Leonid Chumachenko, russo, esta anunciando que vai publicar um livro revelando algo como uma matrix simples que explica origens da vida. Estou pesquisando seu trabalho.
Posted 15th December 2012 by Leonid Chumachenko xxxxxxx Ver tambem a participacao do autor no forum:
Board index ‹ General Biology ‹ General Discussion xxxx A complete an exploratory meaning of projects the “DNA – space – Life” can summed up in two Big Questions: – How the divine mind creates a platform and creatively implements the mental and spiritual laws of the universe? And what role we play in this process, each person of us? In the popular scientific book, during the travel we will see the answers to a number of Big Questions, which are located between mathematical zero and DNA. Before many of them, science modestly silent only because, that they have never been formulated. For example, such as: Perguntas Diretamente Relacionadas a Teoria da Origin da Vida: – What is the relationship between the structure of space and DNA and RNA structures? Resposta de Leonid: – (?) Resposta de Louis: – Since that I think space is merely a human concept about distances and sizes of material substances/bodies, I will take this question as: “What is the relationship between the material structures dispersed at Cosmological space and DNA/RNA structures? Then,… the relationship is same evolutionary lineage plus same and unique process of natural’s systems cycle. So, RNA was produced direct from a mutation occurred at the “Matrix/DNA” of the last more evolved non-biological system that were existing at the time of RNA emergency, the astronomical galactic system.Since that this “matrix” is unknown by you, I will advance briefly that you need see the model which is the resume of all informations related to the process by which appears the seven different kinds of astronomical bodies, like planet, star, pulsar, comet, moon quasar, black hole. Under evolutionary process biological DNA is the species of universal systems resulting from complexity applied over astronomical DNA and under life’s cycle process DNA is resulting shape of an ancestor that was miniaturized nannotecnologically like any adult man is miniaturized inside chromosomas. The extraordinary mutation from astronomical system is due this system was formed only with the gaseous and solid states of matter, while its ” offspring” biological DNA was formed at an environment containing the two states plus the liquid state (water), which produced the evolution of physics process to chemistry processes. (Is it possible to understand something in this way?) – Why nature has chosen deoxyribonucleotide, as the main and the only building material for DNA? – Why one semi-coil of B-form DNA has 5 pairs of molecules of this saccharide? – How the element space begin cook soup of “Primary components” for future DNA or RNA molecules from a set of chemical elements? – How looks the self process of birth of the primary DNA or RNA molecules? – What is the factory of primary DNA or RNA (nucleotide-plant)? – That dictates the rules for sequence of primary assembly of nucleotides? – What is the role of water molecules in this process? – What is “Biochemical period of preparation” or “Pre-evolutionary period” for colonization of planets by living organisms in light new theories and conception? – What are the properties DNA are copied from the space? – What are the primary and the secondary oscillatory circuits of the DNA molecule? – Where must lie zones of their responsibility and sensitivity at use of electromagnetic phenomena? – Why and how the DNA speaks, reproduces acoustic signals? – How the magnetic field of our planet helps animals and birds to navigate and orienting during migration? – What is the nature identification and attracting chemical compounds on site-body of DNA or RNA for the biosynthesis? – Is it possible to use of electromagnetic (not electrostatic) phenomena during operation of enzymes? – are there possibility for physicochemical nature of actions of the codon? – Why 64 codon can produce only 20 (21) amino acids in light a new theory? – Why electrical discharge promotes the synthesis of some amino acids? – What for nature creates Z-form DNA? – What way nature prepares and distributes the genetic information, on the near and cosmic distances? – What is the receiving mechanism and collecting of this information? – Is it possible appearance a new forms of life on Earth today, in our current time? – Is it possible the construction of the material life by non-carbon based? Where should look for it? – Why material life is born in different parts of the universe? xxxxx – Is there a structure in the space? – What kind of this structure? – Where we can see and how measure it? – What size is the elementary space? – Is there a hierarchy of space? – Why trajectory lightning, discharge electricity or electron (at interference) is not a direct line, but are broken curve line? – How is born and lives the element of the space? – What is the deformation and temporary closing-down of space? – What is the ether? – What structures can be called ether and what cannot? – Can we call him alive? As well as other important and interesting Big Questions in Life Sciences. Their importance will be discussed in the following posts.