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Matematica: Realista ou Nominalista? Meu debate no WeMe

sábado, outubro 27th, 2018

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Debate no WeMe, começando pela minha resposta a questão copiada abaixo:

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Luis Morello – 10/27/18, at 4:30 pm

Bill Reed – Maybe the solution I found when I had this problem can be useful. Mathematics is 33% realism and 67% nominalism. Think about the human body, there is the bone skeleton and following it there are the meat/fresh ( sorry my English istill is no good) thing and after that, the neurological thing. There is a unique system in this Universe, under evolution based upon the process of life cycle, which produced the shapes of atoms, galaxies, plants, animals, like this process produced the human shapes as fetus, embryo, teenager, etc. So, atoms has a perceived skeleton (electromagnetic level) and a non perceived biological few expressed properties. Galaxies has its skeleton ( the mechanistic Newtonian structure) and a little bit more expressed biological properties which caused Einstenian general relativity revolution upon Newton, not perceived by Physics/Math. So, Physics is the study of the Universe’s skeleton only, which is just the soil we live and are dependable from, so, Physics produces the right Science and technology for the wellbeing of human bodies. Since this skeleton is based on electromagnetism and mechanics, its logics can be humanly translated into Math. Since Physics and Math has dominated the academic sciences, our sciences are feed up to walking only inside the skeleton structure of Nature. It is a feed-back process between wrong cosmological knowledge and useful technology. In the new world view called Matrix/DNA Theory, we are finding biological properties at the wrong called “non-living natural systems” but, physics and Math can not help here, we are replacing this logics by biological logics. What will happen when we begins to perceive the brainy logics in this Universe? The three levels must performs the 100% of final reality. What do you think?

Only a few words: Which is the basic foundation of Universal Nature? Its under-frame of atoms and galaxies performing the bone skeleton or the life’s biological properties? I asked these questions while was living in Amazon jungle to the chaotic and pristine natural biosphere and it answered with a signal, which is another question: ” Which came first: your skeleton structure or yours fresh coverture?” Ohh… there is no doubt that the fresh thing, in shape of DNA, placenta, etc., came first. The bone skeleton is a product of biological life and not the other way around. So, Nature is suggesting here that the basic foundation of this Universe, before the Big Bang that produced the skeleton composed by atoms and galaxies, is life. And Physics/Math does not grasp life very well… Ok, this is my thought and maybe my brain is hard-wired totally in a wrong way..

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A questao postaa no WeMe:

Mathematical Nominalism or Mathematical Realism?

That Mathematics is invented is, I guess, a fine concept as far as it goes, but it fails to convince me for two reasons. 1) It offers no understanding of the known cases of independent discoveries. and 2) It seems to imply that so many practitioners have been mistaken about just what it is that they thought they are doing.

The first point is basically a mystery to me. In the Physical Sciences examples of independent discovery are understandable — their all studying the same Universe right? — but, though I am not by any means a professional Mathematician, I have pleased myself by discovering some little mathematical trinket, which seemed surprising and far from obvious, only to stumble upon the same theorem when poking about on the internet. How does this happen?

As for the second point, I must say that the Realism of Mathematics (Platonism) has been a strong part of my inner worldview, to the point that one of my college friends accused me of being religious … my religion? Math. If this was just me, then we could explain it away as a quirk, but I assure that most, if not all, of the Mathematicians I’ve known have been guilty of acting as if they were studying something real, but only when no one was looking.

In the last year or two my guilt about believing that these funny symbols that I shuffle around on pieces of paper actually mean something real finally got to me, so after much soul searching, I came up with a way to feel comfortable about acting as if Math is real and that is to see it in the light of the following pragmatic solution.

There may be a pragmatic reason, I tell myself, for this covert assumption of Mathematical Realism, and that is because it is the best way of taking advantage of this the wonderful cognitive abilities that we have evolved with. These abilities serve the purpose of guiding us through everyday reality. A Realist view of Mathematics is then, just, the best way for us co-opt the cognitive abilities we already have, using them for other purposes, Mathematics.

The arguments between a Realist or Nominalist view of Mathematics will probably continue without a decisive victory on either side, but I have found an argument that gives me a pragmatic sanction to continue acting as a Realist. #Nominalism #Realism#mathematics

MeWe: post para nova tentativa da Matrix/DNA

sábado, outubro 27th, 2018

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Post inserido no chat em 10/27/18 as 5:20 am, do grupo philosophy1

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Luis Morello – 10/18

Hy, philosophers. I am not a certified philosopher but 7 years living alone in Amazon jungle watching that weird world and asking questions to myself about the first cause of anything lead me to discovery a new world view, never imagined before. I am desperate looking for philosophers what they think about, I think it is all about naturalist philosophy, you will be facing questions and explanations nobody thought about. Humans have two meaning versions about life and Universe origins – the creationist and materialist – and mine is different, a third version. I am now American citizen but English is not my native language, so it will be difficult to talk here. I found a common formula at all natural systems – atoms, galaxies, light waves, cells, DNA, human body, human brain and now, consciousness. Evolution is an illusion, we are inside a universal genetic process of reproduction, the Matrix/DNA formula exists in non-living and living systems, connecting everything. It is now 50 years of hard and solitaire work accumulating facts as evidences and testing the whole theory, and each day I am more convinced this world view is more rational than any other. What do you think? We can talking here or I must stop now? Any contribution will be welcome. Thanks…

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Waldemar M. Reis 10/27/18 as 5:15 pm

Really interesting! What’s your native language? How did you end-up in Amazon forest?

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Luis Morello – 10/27/2018 as 10:41 pm

Waldemar M. Reis – ” Really interesting! What’s your native language? How did you end-up in Amazon forest?” – Hi, Reyes… native language is portuguese and I end-up in the jungle due an existential crisis – not finding my place in civilization. Also, it was due a existential question that arose at high school when the science teacher told about abiogenesis, evolution and Big Bang Theory and the school principal, which was a catholic priest came quick teaching the Bible theories. I thought that two world view were wrong and the best answer should be find in virgin Nature beginning the investigation with different methods. At that time I build a restaurant at a gold mine in the jungle, got a manager for taking care of it and sending my money to a village next my location for buying supplements. After two malarias and lots of suffering I was brain-washed from all scientific philosophers’ books had read before and the jungle furnished the content for to fit the brain with something again. It was a weird experience, I know, but the results are philosophically interesting, I think, and I need to face it with yours understanding, because I am still searching the truth.

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Waldemar M. Reis 10/28/18

Great, @Luis Morello, I see we have a lot to talk about and an additional channel to do it. Do you have any online published material on your findings?

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Luis Morello – 10/28/18

Waldemar M. Reis – Great, I hope you keep interested because I need know what other mind think about this world view and I think that will be good for you because it suggests lots of new food for thought. I have difficult with computers because in the jungle there was no such thing so my website is technically poor, but in the home page there is a resumed introduction with drawings and formulas and I am posting everyday the evidences I am finding facing new scientific discoveries ( the posts are in portuguese, Artigos). I don’t know if I can give the address here. What do you think about this suggestion?: Humans has broken Universal History into two separated blocks (Cosmological and Biological Evolution) with no evolutionary link between them. Since there is no such separation, humans got a black hole between the two blocks, a big abism, in the way that biological systems (aka, life) can not be explained, and without a biological approach at cosmological evolution we are getting a very wrong interpretation of universe origins also. Since humans need answers, the hole is fitted with mysticism, so arises the creationist and the materialist mythos. Both beliefs are appeals to metaphysics. When you discover the evolutionary link in shape of the building block of astronomic systems, and you perceives that this link is exactly the fundamental building block of biological DNA, you have connected all natural systems in a unique evolutionary lineage, from the Big Bang to humans. It makes sense for you? I think no, right?

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Waldemar M. Reis

@Luis Morello, the idea that the Cosmos (Organized Whole) has a single principle is as persistent or close to this) in human existence as our consciousness, I believe.  The difficulty we have in this field is that we van’t agree upon this universal starting point. Let’s see, after being in contact with more from your material,  whether or not we finally ended this quest.

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Luis Morello 10/28/18 as 9:50 am

Waldemar M. Reis – I hope that our focus will be must about facts here and now, than talking about universe origins which is a far away issue, and we easily falls into metaphysical debate. I think the best practical utility for our life just now suggested by this world view is the new systemic thought to be added to the usual reductionist thought. There are lots of millenar diseases waiting for to be eliminated – like cancer, bad cholesterol, Alzheimer’s, et. – because the reductionist approach is not working, since they are produced by the body as a system. A big novelty from this world view is the universal natural formula of all systems – from atoms to humans bodies – a common pattern of a flow of energy/information running as a systemic circuity connecting all parts. The knowledge about natural system is stopped since  70 years ago when Mathematicians like Wienner and Rosenthal’s changed the investigation to artificial systems and cybernetics. The last big work about natural systems was done by Bertalanfy with his book “General System Theory” libe Sir Bacon did when compiled all known data at his time beginning the reductionist method. The problem that natural systems stopped at Bertalanffy was that he did not know what a natural system is, since that he did not know the formula for systems. The building block of DNA – two lateral base-pair of nucleotides – is a working system in itself modeled by the formula. So, while biologists does not know this, they can not understand genetics in full, so, the big genetic puzzles, like the causes of diseases will not be solved by this reductionist method. Ok, I am going away from the topic, sorry, but this is an argument for what can be more useful just now than astronomy and the Cosmos. Am I right?

 

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Matthew rapaport 10/27/18

@Luis Morello sounds like a version of a computer simulation. You might want to put this up in the group as a post and not in chat where subjects get all mixed up. Think about how best to express your theory and what evidence makes you think it works better than more conventional ideas.

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Aviso: postei um post aqui ( dia 10/27/18, mais ou menos as 4:00 pm) iniciando algo como ” No, it is not a computer simulation…” o qual provocou a resposta abaixo do Matthew, mas o post sumiu… será que foi deletado por alguém ou por mim?

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Matthew rapaport 10/27/18

@Luis Morello this is a common claim, that aliens would see the world very differently than we. I’m not convinced that has to be true. Sure their physiology would be different, but that doesn’t mean their over all recognition of the “joints in reality” would be much different from ours.. Of course until we meet some aliens the jury will be out

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Luis Morello – 10/27/18 as 9:40 pm

Matthew rapaport – Good point. We know that non-rational animals experiences the same “joints in reality” that rational humans are experiencing, I think that non-rational animals interpretations or “all recognition” are very different. It is enough to remember the difference when a species knows about DNA and other does not. So, my interpretation of the world and the way I am experiencing joint reality is based on the knowledge that the atoms composing everything here, and the astronomic system which created everything here and in which everything here is inside it – has another shape of biological DNA, which I called Matrix/DNA. The results is that I see the world (my body,the social systems, this planet, why we eat, etc.) very different than you see. It could not have very different world view from ours if our world view is almost the true, or the final true. But, if we are away off the beam ( and my world view is suggesting this is the case), it offers chances to thousands of other different world views. Am I wrong?