Corpo Humano é Onda ou Partícula? Questão relativística?

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Acabei de postar esta pergunta maluca no Quora:

Um observador macroscópico veria um corpo humano como uma onda; observadores microscópicos como nos, humanos, vemo-lo como uma partícula. Seria isto a estranheza quântica?

A macro-observer would see a human body as a wave; micro-observers, like us, see it as particle. Is this quantum weirdness?

https://www.quora.com/unanswered/A-macro-observer-would-see-a-human-body-as-a-wave-micro-observers-like-us-see-it-as-particle-is-this-quantum-weirdness

Qual o fundamento da minha questão? Bem, … esse grilo na minha cuca começou a 30 anos atras quando descobri que os sistemas naturais são montados pelo processo do ciclo vital. E as partículas até agora observadas são em si mesmas sistemas ( compostas de quarks, leptons), portanto elas devem apresentar propriedades vitais, ou seja, elas também devem nascer, crescer, amadurecer e morrer, sendo que nesse meio tempo elas vão sendo transformadas em formas diferentes assim como o corpo humano é transformado em varias formas devido a força do ciclo vital. As partículas foram – são – nossas ancestrais, elas já apresentam alguns sinais de vida.

Mas as partículas tem um período de vida brevíssimo, apenas 17 bilionésimos de segundos. Por isso nunca conseguiram ver uma partícula, apenas seu rastro deixado num evento de choque, como veem no acelerador do CERN. Isto porque a partícula é microscópica, seu tempo é medido na escala microscópica, e em relacao a elas, nos somos macroscópicos, nosso tempo flui muito mais lentamente.

Praticamente eu diria que a proporção entre nosso tempo e o delas seria a mesma entre nossos 70 anos de vida e os 17 bilionésimos de segundo delas.

Ora, vamos agora supor que exista um observador do tamanho do sistema solar, ou da galaxia. Ele conseguiria ver um corpo humano? Certamente não. Com alguma tecnologia ele poderia ver os nossos rastros. Com uma tecnologia mais poderosa ele poderia fixar nosso corpo em relacao ao tempo, parando nosso tempo num momento qualquer da nossa vida, digamos, quando temos 40 anos de idade. Então ele veria a nossa forma de adulto e acreditaria erroneamente que essa é a nossa forma fixa, sem saber que transformamos nossas formas. se em outra situação ele visse um bebe humano ele juraria que se trata de outra especie. E se ele fixar nosso corpo em relacao ao espaço? Ele nunca saberia qual nossa idade, qual período de tempo vivemos.

Então penso que matei a charada da famosa questão denominada ” Principio da Incerteza de Heisenberg”, o qual foi o inicio da revelação do mundo estranho da quântica. Por este principio não é possível fixar uma partícula para medi-la pois se medimos uma coisa não conseguimos medir a outra.

E depois aconteceu o “split experiment” onde os cientistas atônitos viram que uma partícula se comporta como onda e vice-versa.

Vai dai que isso também deve acontecer com uma observador macrocósmico vendo um corpo humano. Imagine você rodando um filme sobre a vida de um humano que dura 70 anos de forma tao rápida que dure apenas 17 bilionésimos de segundo. O que vai aparecer na tela? Primeiro e com certeza, nenhuma forma. Segundo ver-se ia um rastro, se a tecnologia for igual a do CERN, mas pode parecer ser uma onda se aplicar o split experiment (talvez). Porque o anteparo com varias fendas só pode ser observado em um piscar de olho do macrocósmico e isso duraria para nos, uns 10 anos. Ora, em dez anos nos nos movemos muito, passamos por muitos lugares, muitas fendas, e no experimento estas passagens teriam que juntarem-se todas numa só, e isto seria uma superposição quântica, ou superposição de rastos, ou talvez ainda, de ondas.

Mas o desfecho final nesse grilo na minha cuca venho quando observei melhor a formula da Matrix/DNA e percebi que ali, o corpo rola como partícula em relacao ao espaço, mas também rola como onda em relacao ao tempo.

Agora vou correndo procurar um guarda-chuva para me proteger porque com certeza as pedradas e ovos chocos vão vir aos borbotoes… se os físicos e matemáticos lerem a minha questão e depois deixar eu explicar a razão dela com o texto acima. Com certeza não vão entender bulhufas e muito menos concordar com alguma coisa e vão me chamar de idiota para baixo. A minha justificativa é que eu venho da selva, outro mundo, e não dos laboratórios com ar condicionado como o CERN.

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Primeira resposta que veio:

Ian MillerIan Miller, Independent physical scientist, author
Who says a macro observer would see humans as a wave? Quantum effects only apply when the interaction leads to a change of action in the order of Planck’s quantum of action. If it is big enough that h can be ignored, quantum effects can be ignored.
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Minha resposta a Ian:
Louis Charles Morelli – 4/8/2017

Thanks, Ian. My question arises when thinking about the weirdness that arises from the split experiment ( wave or particle or both?), plus the observation of Matrix/DNA formulas, not about Planck’s constant.

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A resposta do Ian me fez perder algumas horas pensando no tema e pensandop em como entabular um dialogo com Ian. Porem, no final conclui que por Internet e’ impossivel. Porem deixo abaixo escrito algo do que pensei em enviar como resposta para depois voltar nisso e continuar pensando no assunto:

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Yours brain is hard-wired in a very different configuration than is mine, Yan. We are based on two very, very different interpretations of nature. I think both interpretations has more mistakes than thru, and if we makes the comparisons between these two, we could fixing some errors on both, and producing some new practical things.

Please, try to imagine the following:

A macro-observer of the size of this solar system or a galaxy. His scale of time is astronomical, ok? So, the lifetime for him runs very, very slower than the lifetime of humans runs for humans. In another hand, I read somewhere that there are particles which time of existence is about 17 billionth of a second (measured by human scale of time). So, time for particles runs very, very faster than time runs for humans. At Cern we do not see particles, we see the trails left by particles. The cause I think is due the different scales of time between particles and humans. Is it right? If it is right, the giant observer would see a human body moving at his lifetime as a trail.

But, at the split experiment, the interpretation of the trail becomes the interpretation as a wave. Am I wrong?

At split experiment we throw a particle by a laser canon, than, the particle leave a linear trail. But the weirdness is that it can pass on two points in space at same time. Humans normal behavior is moving around, going ahead and back, etc., but the giant observer has no time to see these movements. Our movements can result passing on two or more points of space, which will appears same time or one momentum, for the giant. Will he believe that are seeing a wave, also? Or we are seeing superposed trails at split experiment believing that we see waves?

Maybe the macro-observer see humans like we see particles. What do you think?

But nobody see particles. I think that’s why we have sometimes the belief that it is a particle, other time it is a wave. I am wrong?

My Matrix/DNA formula for natural systems is suggesting that, if the giant observer see the human body as an object with mass, he would believe that he is seeing a particle. Because mass shows things in relation to space and particles occupies a place in space. But if the giant observer see a human body acting normally as we do, moving towards different directions, going ahead and back, etc., and reducing our 70 years of a lifetime into 17 billionth of a second, he would see only only a linear trail. Am I wrong? If the giant places a wall with several holes over these trails, the human body would crossing several wholes at that reduced time. Because in reality, we had superposed several movements into one momentum.

Then, suppose that this macro-observer see a human lifetime as his one billionth of a second of his scale of time. I think that he would see only a trail, as particles are seeing at CERN. Do you agree with this hypothesis?

Observing the behavior of a human body at a very reduced time as it would appears to the macro-observerby someone that naturally reduces when reducing its scale of time , the results would be different than throwing a particle by a canon laser towards two holes in a plate?

I saw that you are very interested in the not solved problems of quantum theory, and I think here you have the opportunity to think about it from a very different approach and, maybe, creating yours own novelty. My question refers to the weirdness at the split experiment, not about the Planck’s constant.

You have the knowledge about quantum mechanics that I don’t have, but I have a kind of world view that you do not know. From my theoretical models and formulas arises lots of possibilities/questions which are related to what I am reading in the published literature about quantum theories. But nobody think or talk about the details that I would appreciate for developing my research. The reverse way could be thru: knowing the details of my theory, could help one developing quantum theory till suggesting new ideas/experiments.

But, my advice is that it would be a very hard intellectual work. First due our different native languages, second due our very different method of research and approaches, third due it is a very, very complex issue. So, if you have interest in continuing this dialogue, I would appreciate, if not, sorry by this time that you spent here.

if you will continue reading, I will advance that my formulas are suggesting that measuring a human body lifetime from astronomical scale of time, we see the body as particle – if we fix the body at a momentum in relation to space – and as a wave or superposed trails – if we fix the body in relation to time. The split experiment could solve this problem for the giant macro-observer, I think, if in the eyes of the giant observer the human body acting normally as we do, would show the behavior like the particle throw by a laser canon. Trail or wave? So I need details why the scientists believes that at split experiment the particle behaves as a wave and not as multiple superposed trails?

try to imagine the following:

A macro-observer of the size of this solar system or a galaxy. His scale of time is astronomical, ok? In another hand, I read somewhere that there are particles which time of existence is about one billionth of a second (measured by human scale of time). Then, suppose that this macro-observer see a human lifetime as his one billionth of a second. I think that he would see only a trail, as particles are seeing at CERN. Do you agree with this hypothesis?

When we try to understanding the Matrix/DNA formula for natural systems, we see lots of phenomena that the literature about quantum mechanics are publishing. And is unavoidable arising questions like this one. The formula suggests that any new shape of natural system is built when nature applies the force or process of life’s cycle upon a unique initial body. The body is transformed into new shapes ( like the human body is transformed from the shape of fetus to embryo to adult, etc), and these shapes are connected as part of a functional working system, like atoms, galaxies,cells, etc. If we try to see this body reducing drastically its lifetime, but fixing alternates momentum, at these momentum we see it as particle and the time between two particles makes the body invisible. I am not sure if these slices of time occurs as a trail or a wave in the eyes of the observer.

Now, he throws this human towards the two wholes at a metal plate, like the split experiment. He see the scene as his one second, which is too much slow for humans. In this astronomical one second, a human moves to several different pathways, included passing into the wholes. The giant macro-observer would believe that the human did it at the same momentum. I am wrong?

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