Posts Tagged ‘fé’

Nas diferencas entre as duas versoes da Historia universal, emerge a fe religiosa da versao academica

terça-feira, abril 16th, 2019

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David Christian: A Grande história

(legendado em portugues)

https://www.ted.com/talks/david_christian_big_history/discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqc9zX04DXs

Interessante nova ideia deste autor é sobre o “collective learning”, onde o conhecimento humano avançaria como um bólido unico formado por todas as mentes cada uma conhecendo algo especifico. A formacao de Gaia?

The wrong arguments from faith in this version of history:

Os argumentos errados baseados na fé, nesta versao da Historia

1: Complexity arose from simplicity.

1: Complexidade surge da simplicidade.

Matrix/DNA Theory: This video about the beginning of time is theory, very metaphysical, it is not proved. The Universe is shown to us here and now that He makes simplicity coming from complexity also. I am telling about the extreme simplicity of a single initial cell that came from a larger complex organism, for becoming itself a complex organism. This is the real fact about what the Universe does. So, as nobody knows what was the beginning, we can’t know which came first, if there was no complexity before the theorized Big Bang, or if there are another alternatives we don’t know. Dr. David is doing a statement of faith, not rationality.

Matrix/DNA Theory: Este video sobre o inicio do tempo é teorico, muito metafisico, isto não esta’ provado com fatos. O Universo tem mostrado para nos aqui e agora que Ele faz surgir simplicidade desde a complexidade tambem. Estou falando da simplicidade de uma simples celula inicial que veio de um complexo organismo, para se tornar ela mesma outro complexo organismo. Este é o real fato provado sobre o que o Universo faz. Entao, como ninguem conhece o que foi o inicio, nos não podemos saber o que veio primeiro, se havia ou não complexidade antes do teorizado Big Bang, ou se foram outras alternativas que nos desconhecemos. O Dr. David esta’ fazendo uma declaração de fé, não de racionalidade.

2: The Universe is ruled by entropy.

2: O Universo é dirigido pela entropia.

Matrix/DNA Theory: Godel’s theorem: ” Nobody can knows the ultimate Truth of a system standing inside it”. So, Mr. David statement is about faith, not rationality.

Matrix/DNA: Teorema de Godel: “Ninguem pode conhecer a Verdade de um sistema estando dentro dele”. Assim, a declaração de Mr. David é uma declaração de fé, não do racionalismo.  

3. The second law of thermodynamics determines that the Universe goes from order to chaos.

3: A segunda lei da termodinâmica determina que o Universo vai da ordem para o caos.

Matrix/DNA: Nope. Closed systems goes from order to chaos, by natural degeneration measured as entropy. Opened systems goes the opposite way, from chaos to order. Since nobody knows which kind of system is the Universe, this is again a statement of faith. This mistake in the human interpretation of order and entropy is due Physics not knowing the universal natural formula as template of all natural systems, as DNA is the formula-template of all biological systems.

The fact is: the modern minds controlling the State’s Science is becoming a religion.

Matrix/DNA: Nao. Sistemas fechados vao da ordem para o caos, por degeneração natural medida pela entropia. Sistemas abertos vao na oposta direcao, do caos para a ordem. desde que ninguem conhece qual especie de sistema o Universo é, esta novamente é uma declaração de fé. Este equivoco da interpretacao humana sobre ordem e entropia é devido ‘a Fisica desconhecer a formula natural universal como template de todos os sistemas naturais, de atomos a galaxias a celulas, assim como o DNA é a formula-template de todos os sistemas biologicos.

O fato é que as modernas mentes no controle das Ciencias Acadêmicas estao se tornando religiosas.

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Traducao para Portugues:

Os argumentos errados baseados na fé, nesta versao da Historia

1: Complexidade surge da simplicidade.

Matrix/DNA Theory: Este video sobre o inicio do tempo é teorico, muito metafisico, isto não esta’ provado com fatos. O Universo tem mostrado para nos aqui e agora que Ele faz surgir simplicidade desde a complexidade tambem. Estou falando da simplicidade de uma simples celula inicial que veio de um complexo organismo, para se tornar ela mesma outro complexo organismo. Este é o real fato provado sobre o que o Universo faz. Entao, como ninguem conhece o que foi o inicio, nos não podemos saber o que veio primeiro, se havia ou não complexidade antes do teorizado Big Bang, ou se foram outras alternativas que nos desconhecemos. O Dr. David esta’ fazendo uma declaração de fé, não de racionalidade.

2: O Universo é dirigido pela entropia.

Matrix/DNA: Teorema de Godel: “Ninguem pode conhecer a Verdade de um sistema estando dentro dele”. Assim, a declaração de Mr. David é uma declaração de fé, não do racionalismo.

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Tradution to English:
The wrong arguments from faith in this version of history:
1: Complexity arose from simplicity.
Matrix/DNA Theory: This video about the beginning of time is theory, very metaphysical, it is not proved. The Universe is shown to us here and now that He makes simplicity coming from complexity also. I am telling about the extreme simplicity of a single initial cell that came from a larger complex organism, for becoming itself a complex organism. This is the real fact about what the Universe does. So, as nobody knows what was the beginning, we can’t know which came first, if there was no complexity before the theorized Big Bang, or if there are another alternatives we don’t know. Dr. David is doing a statement of faith, not rationality.
2: The Universe is ruled by entropy.
Matrix/DNA Theory: Godel’s theorem: ” Nobody can knows the ultimate Truth of a system standing inside it”. So, Mr. David statement is about faith, not rationality.
3. The second law of thermodynamics determines that the Universe goes from order to chaos.
Matrix/DNA: Nope. Closed systems goes from order to chaos, by natural degeneration measured as entropy. Opened systems goes the opposite way, from chaos to order. Since nobody knows which kind of system is the Universe, this is again a statement of faith. This mistake in the human interpretation of order and entropy is due Physics not knowing the universal natural formula as template of all natural systems, as DNA is the formula-template of all biological systems.
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4: The scrambled egg does not return as complex egg.

Matrix/DNA: This return is just what the Universe does by returning history from future to past. The scrambled egg goes back to be an egg which goes back to be a chicken. it is relative to which point in history the observer is focused.

 

 

Debate no Reddit sobre teorias, conhecimento e fé

quinta-feira, janeiro 31st, 2019

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O autor desta questao se baseou num artigo publicado por: Alister McGrath, Professor of Science and Religion at University of Oxford – em 25th January 2019

https://iai.tv/articles/between-knowing-and-believing-auid-1207

Sob o titulo:

Between Knowing and Believing

Can we be certain that what we now think are facts are not merely beliefs?

 

If once accepted scientific theories have now been displaced by superior alternatives, we should always be cautious that what we now *know* is not simply a belief from philosophy

https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/alf3mk/if_once_accepted_scientific_theories_have_now/

My comment:

MatrixDNA – 1/31/2019
Yes, and these are “possible” examples with our theories just now:
  1. We see and belief in evolution in the Universe, because we see from inside. But someone seeing from outside could see samething, but knowing that is not evolution, it is merely a process of reproduction… of the “thing” that trigguered the Big Bang, which was not an explosion, but an event of fecundation… Who knows? Same facts, two different interpretation.

  2. There was no origens of life, neither here neither at any other place in this Universe. These agglomerates of galaxies that we call Universe are merely the cells of a bone skeleton, covered by soft complexity, like the soft and more complex meat covers our bone skeleton. But… it is the soft meat that creates the bone skeleton and not the other way around. So, life was already existing before the Big Bang. Besides that, a new bigger theory is discovering that all these “life’s properties” are merely evolution from primitive properties existing at galaxies, atoms. So if you call a cangaroo alive, you should call an atom alive too.

  3. There is no genetic code. DNA has as fundamental unit a base-pair of nucleotides which is a complete system, it works as a system. So, DNA is merely a set or a pile of diversified copies of a unique system, like humanity is a set of 8 billion copies of a unique species, a unique biological system. Is it right saying that “humanity is a code?”. No. So, please, forget genetic code.

And so on, we have many more examples like that. A new big and more rational theory is suggesting that all theories we believe now, are not entirely wrong, but are not complete. We can collect all scientific proved facts, laws, arranging them in a different way, and we get a very different world view with a new Universe that also works and is more beautiful…

Método Cientifico? Teria surgido pela fé na existência de um Deus racional?

segunda-feira, agosto 13th, 2012
Tema inspirado no post abaixo:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4375646
jorangreef 6 hours ago | link

Regarding: “As Galileo was prosecuted for supporting Copernicus’ heliocentric theory (more specifically for championing reason over faith)”

Nothing could be further from the truth. The first proponents of the scientific method saw the process of describing the known universe as possible only because of their faith in a rational Creator, their definition of the word “faith” meaning “conviction backed by reason” (Hebrews 11). Their hypothesis was that the creation of such a rational Creator would necessarily be ordered, not chaotic as the pagans of the day believed, and that it would be possible to seek to describe the creation in terms of scientific laws and principles. By faith they understood that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. This was the basis for the birth of the scientific method.

In the days of Galileo, the Church as you refer to, was nothing more than a political militant state, opposed to the theology of the early Christians of the 1st century, and opposed to the Scriptures which exposed its hegemony. Indeed the Church would have mothers and fathers burnt at the stake for teaching children the ten commandments and the Lord’s prayer. People like William Tyndale, and many other brilliant Oxford and Cambridge scholars were hounded and martyred by the Church for translating the Bible into English and circulating and discussing it in the 1500s.

While the Church may have opposed heliocentrism, Galileo defended heliocentrism, and understood correctly that it was not contrary to the Scriptures.

For people like Galileo and Kepler, faith and reason were the same thing. By definition, it’s impossible to have faith that is not based on reason, nor is it possible to hold reason without faith. To do so is historical revisionism. If you have a bone to pick with faith, then the best place to start is with the life and death and resurrection of Christ in history. Did it happen? How soon after the events were the eye witness accounts recorded? At what cost? Independent? Do we read them as they were written? This is a matter of historicity: did it happen? Not of philosophical possibility (naturalism), or statistical possibility (frequentism).

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Meu comentário:

Isto serve de alerta para nós que nos acreditamos “racionais”. Talvez nossa crença de que nossa inteligencia é um puro e legitimo produto evolucionario da longa cadeia de causas e efeitos da História natural Universal, portanto a mais genuina base para nos agarrar e ter vida melhor sintonizada com a natureza – esteja errada, porque não existiria uma longa cadeia de causas e efeitos sem interferencia do acaso mudando o destino do que vem rolando nessa cadeia. É um tema dificeil de esquematizar e tirar alguma conclusão inteligivel, mas acho que na matrix theorua existe uma boa solução. A história seria dividida entre fases de caos ( influencia dos acasos)  e fases de ordem ( controle de um elemento racional), porem todo caos é produzido pela entropia e fragmentação de um anteiror estado de ordem. Mas os bits-informação do estado de ordem existem no meio do caos e são eles que levantam a ordem, porem reproduzindo a forma ordenada anterior, o que imploca que houve design, e não acaso. Mas enquanto se desenvolve o design, o caos pode muta-lo. E então? talvez a mutação seja selecionada ou descartada por um sistema invisivel hierarquicamente superior, dcentro do qual o caos esteja ocorrendo.   Acho que nosso cérebro ainda não tem a estrutura necessaria para resolver esta questão, portanto, devemos manter nossa racionalidade sob suspeita. E o que tem isso a ver com o método cientifico? Deve ficar tambem sob suspeita: Não será ele igualmente um selecionador de dados? Nos condizindo a uma cosmovisão errada com uma ilusória temporaria onda de sucessos?