Why it’s time to lay the selfish gene to rest – David Dobbs – Aeon. co
The selfish gene is one of the most successful science metaphors ever invented. Unfortunately it’s wrong
E a oposição materialista respondeu a David Dobbs com o artigo no Pharyngula:
Higher order thinking
by PZ MYERS
No artigo do Pharyngula está ocorrendo um debate com nossa participação, sendo meu ultimo comentario o seguinte:
9 February 2014 at 2:26 pm (UTC -6) Link to this comment
You said: Louis, I also take offense at your suggestion that science has failed humans on a moral scale.”
500 millions humans slaves at 400 years ago; 7 billions (90% of the world population?) humans slaves today. Against numbers, there are no minded produced arguments.
I will not remember the evidences that our planet is sick, changing climate, due we are not sure of it is man made illness.
But… accordingly to the results of my investigation, the worst thing that human science is doing is leading Humanity towards the Admirable New World, under the rules of a Big Brother. It will be the premature abortion of this new natural system being generated here, called “consciousness”, for to be eternal zombie.
There are three fundamentals problems with human science in the last 400 years:
1) The supreme, honest, altruistic, goal of the founding fathers at the Illuminism, was denied by the disciples and science sold its soul to the dominant class of human predators, feeding the selfish gene. All science’s production has been delivered gratefully to these predators, giving them power, feeding a monster, becoming anti-human;
2) While the founding fathers were fighting the mysticism and its prejudices to human kind, the disciples built another mystical world view, changing the magical God by the magical blind Universe and science lost the right way. But, like the ancient deist mysticism was based on memory registered at our genetics, this new mysticism is also based on it. It is a genetic process coming from our creator, which is described by Newtonian mechanics, then, science is driven to grasp the mechanical aspect of every natural phenomena, while every phenomena has lots of another kind of matter organization, others invisible natural systems acting here due the hierarchy of systems, etc. That’s why science is driving us, our youngers today, towards a mechanical state of human society;
3) Science must be a feed-back process between the reductionist method and the systemic method. Reductionism gets data about details and systemic approach try to connect these data into big pictures, building good theories that feeds the search for reductionism. But, systemic method does not provides profit in money, nobody is funding it. Systemic thinking was born with Margullis ( the symbiotic theory), Fritjof Capra (The Tao of Physics) and others, till Bertalanffy making what francis bacon did with reductionism, collecting every dispersive data into a General Systems Theory. Bertalanffy could not advance because no human being was discovered yet what is a real natural system, the unique tentative today is my suggestion called “The Universal Matrix/DNA for Natural Systems”. So, The general theory about natural systems was killed and Wiener, Rosenberg, who were mathematicians/physicians took the control and deviate it from natural to artificial systems, creating cybernetics and this whole scientific enterprise today dominated by the electro-mechanical brain of computers.
Nope, my friend. There are 7 billions human beings being tortured today at this absurd human condition of existence, the planet is dying… to the hell with this kind of science! Go back to the intentions of the founding fathers, do what I am doing, alone, paying it with my hard work, not being a traitor.
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8 December 2013 at 11:19 am (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Coming from Amazon jungle I can’t understand the mindset running at Western Sciences, principally, this debate about evolution and biogenesis. Who drives the evolution of my body ( from blastula to adult) is the body of my parents because they are my creator, they are the phenotype driven my genes. Then, logically, who drives the evolution of biological systems at Earth surface must be the creator of this planet, all its elements, included all biological systems. It is the phenotype that created and rules the genes. Its name? The Milky Way. But, then, Western Sciences does not have a model of galaxies that fits as the creator and ancestor and phenotype of the first cell system. That’s the problem. It is merely a job of connecting the seven kinds of astronomical bodies in a working system that you will understanding every step of evolution here. I did it and the face of LUCA (the Last Universal Common Ancestor e creator of life here) is shown in a theoretical model at my website, called “The Universal Matrix/DNA of natural Systems and Life’s Cycles”. Ok, I understand that a half-monkey from Amazon jungle can not teach evolutionary biology here, but, maybe I can tell something about natural logics.
8 December 2013 at 11:05 pm (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Coming from Amazon jungle I can’t understand the mindset running at Western Sciences, principally, this debate about evolution and biogenesis. Who drives the evolution of my body ( from blastula to adult) is the body of my parents because they are my creator, they are the phenotype driven my genes. Then, logically, who drives the evolution of biological systems at Earth surface must be the creator of this planet…
Congradulations, you just graduated to the sort of thinking that people had 500 years ago in the “Western Mindset” as well. The problem is, some where in the process, people realized that it just didn’t make any damn sense as an explanation. You had to keep making excuses for all the stuff that didn’t work in any sort of way close to what any intelligent creator might have come up with. And, it doesn’t help, at all, to just wave vaguely and proclaim that we just don’t, somehow, understand his genius (which would be 100% completely Western too, as long as you are religious, and looking for excuses for why “god” made things that contradict each other, don’t work rationally, or make no sense as part of a “grand plan”.)
This is a purely human conceit, the idea that there is some creator some place, that is like us, and therefor, because *we* make things, he “makes things”. I say human conceit because, evolution doesn’t have a plan, but humans can plan. We don’t change with the environment, we change the environment to fit us. Every other animal is subject to the whims of the nature, living or dying, without one bit of say, at all, in when, or how. If the world changes too much for them, they neither adapt, nor can they adapt the world to save themselves. We, mere humans, at least once we learn the “basics” of changing things to fit us, can. The more we know, the more we can change. But, even we have limitations. We get better and better at it. 2,000 years ago, we had no idea how to deal with earthquakes. It was pure luck if building still stood, and a whole island of people was lost, due to them not seeing the signs they needed to leave. Today, we know what it means, and how dangerous it is to stay, even if, in the end, we can’t prevent it from happening. 1,000 years ago, a simple disease could wipe out 90% of the population of a whole continent. Now.. maybe it could still happen, if it really was nasty enough, but it would to be *far* nastier than the ones from back then, for us to have **no** way to deal with it, or contain it, or figure out how it spreads, etc. Even 20 years ago, people would have died from things we can either treat, repair, or control, well enough to keep them alive today.
We shape our world, and every bloody conceited, hubris filled, fool, since the first day someone made a mud hut, because there wasn’t a cave nearby to live in, has been claiming that there must be some “bigger, invisible, creator, who, like us, made a giant mud hunt, lit fires on it, and thus created the sky!”
You “insight” isn’t one. Its making unfounded assumptions about what might have “made” the world, based on the totally absurd hubris that there must be something out there, at least a bit, like yourself, who “made” the world. An idea based on the equally silly concept that, without the knowledge, no matter how basic, passed from your parents, and others, to you, about how to do those things, you would have any higher survival rate than any other monkey, if the world suddenly changed too much for you to keep living in it.
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